Borrowed Time & Bubba

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  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,489
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    It is relevant.

    The answer is, of course, that there aren't enough Killers.

    This is because of a disparity where Killers can be good against Solo's but AWFUL against Duo's or above.

    Solo Survivor needs to be buffed with information and most Killers will need buffs after that.

    Even then, Killer is much more emotionally and mentally exhausting, but those changes would help queue times and in turn, result in less frustrated players feeding into a toxic system.

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867
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    It’s relevant to discussing queue times, yes, but I don’t think it has any relevance to facecamping.

    I agree that solo survivor should be buffed, personally I think if kindred was basekit, as I have argued for in the past, it would be even.

    I agree that a lot of killers need buffs. I would happily accept and advocate buffs for Legion, Pig, Trapper, Myers, Trickster, Clown, Hillbilly and Ghost Face. Freddy’s base kit is fine, but his add ons need buffed. If they were doing this, they’d also need to remove some of the outdated add ons these killers have, such as tombstone piece for Myers and Pig add ons that make it impossible for players to check every box before dying.

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867
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    Also, they already have an anti-camping mechanic in the game for PH’s cages. A similar system being implemented, perhaps with a longer time for the survivor to move wouldn’t weaken regular killers, but stop the standing still.

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867
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    I don’t think it would if the time to move was increased from the cages. If it was around 20 seconds, survivors would have a hard time abusing it.

  • Yogerman1997
    Yogerman1997 Member Posts: 374
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    Because taking the game hostage is force a player to disconect in a infinite match, example: bodyblock in a corner forever.

    While the match ends is not taking hostage.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,489
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  • Nathan13
    Nathan13 Member Posts: 6,636
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    I had a teammate do that to me once. And when he got hooked I didn't even bother saving him, then I ended up getting hatch. 😁

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867
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    There are none when you need to stand still directly at the hook. Not once have I advocated against proxy camping.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,489
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    PH cages affect proxy'ing.

    You'd have to code one hell of a system and tbh I don't think BHVR is capable of it

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867
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    Ultimately, that’s just technological limitations. Regardless, I stand by my point that it shouldn’t be a feature in the game to be able to stand still.

  • Yogerman1997
    Yogerman1997 Member Posts: 374
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    Well, if all the gens are done, killer don't have a why to leave the hook area.

    Doing that is letting them unhook and go to the exit door for free.

    While camping that guy you atleast secure 1 kill, and maybe two if someone decide to unhook alone.


    But hey, is not like is impossible to unhook a camped survivor.

    You only need another survivor who take the first hit / unhook him after you take the hit.


    If you guys are unable to do a cooperative save is not the killer fault.

  • burt0r
    burt0r Member Posts: 4,084
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    Can You define for me the difference in punishment for a survivor going down after a minute or two compared to one that is downed after a few seconds?

    I simply don't get what a face camping bubba has to do with a survivor doing well in any form.

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867
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    If you need to consistently stand still at the hook to get a kill, you’re in the wrong rank.

    I agree, killers don’t have a reason to leave the area, but not leaving the area isn’t the same as standing still.

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867
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    If a survivor is going down in two seconds, they’re probably not going to pip at red rank anyway. This is hurting players who are actually good at the chase.

  • burt0r
    burt0r Member Posts: 4,084
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    Sorry but the argument of pipping here holds not much value for me. Survivor are also able to finish gens in less than 4 minutes and combined with stealth can deny killer any chance of pipping. So killer have to always play with that in mind, a reason why ruin and other gen slowdown perks are meta. So why don't survivor have to always play with a camping killer in mind?

    Both cases aren't the norm and since just because one needs the corporation and teamwork of the group vs the individual being able to employ such strategy on their own it is more prevalent. But since the group can't be expected to develop such behaviour you ask for the punishment for the individual, whose role is already more stressful and void of being able to play with friends. If even half of these cries for punishment of the killer would go through, the game would collapse even further than it already is given queue time differences at certain times of the day without the influence of real life daily cicles.

  • burt0r
    burt0r Member Posts: 4,084
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    It seems that pipping is more of a personal wincondition of yours more than anything. Why is it so important to pop at all after reaching rank 1? You already are/were at the peak and nothing comes after that and nothing special is gained from it. Even as a status symbol it lost most of its worth after the change to ruin and the influx of people reaching this rank without the proper skill for it. That is the reason for the matchmaking problems we have right now, most people can reach red ranks or even rank one simply by investing enough time solely into dbd.

  • Gwinty
    Gwinty Member Posts: 981
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    Funny enough, the idea that Deliverance should give you Borrow Time would be fine for me too. I like that Perk and it should be more viable. Rewards good play, broken status is a harsh downside and I like Adam as a character.

    Bodyblocking is risky? Not is is not. The Killer is at its weakest when carrying a survivor. They move slower, they can not in full control their movement and there is the good old Deadhard (and no, I am not advocating for nerfing Deadhard, it is a fine perk as it is). A coordinated bodyblock is not risky at all as the Killer is stunned when it is successful or you can run away when you notice that it is not going to work / is dropping the person. Arguing with Perks will only throw this debate of as it would lead to me pointing to suvivor perks / tools for bodyblocking.

    Sure it requires a good perception of where the next hook is and how far you can go here. But mostly the time when the Killer carries the survivor is you time to act.

    I was also not talking about a single flashlight. I was talking about chain lightburn. Flashlight saves are fine and yes, they punish a player for not sluging when they should. However you as a survivor main should know that some Flashlights especialy with add-ons can literaly blind a Killer from behind and you can do it again and again.

    I did not say that you consider Bubba OP. Do not play strawman with me. I quoted you on Bubba having no skill, which is not true. I merly pointed out that there is more to his power then standing still and that you are basicly arguing against a bad player doing bad things with a otherwise fine killer.

    Bubba as a killer is being abused here and we should not fan the flames against him. His design is fine, allows for counterplay and he presents an easy yet effective and enjoyable killer. To be honest I have more experience with facecamping Huntresses than Bubbas.

    We agree with the "standing still in front of the hook" thing thou. It is bad and should not be this present in the game. The thing is that the countermesure needs to be effective. Maybe we need a combination of punishment for the bad play and reward for the "good" play.

  • glitchboi
    glitchboi Member Posts: 5,958
    edited June 2021
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    If everyone else gets killed by NOED instead of gen rushing, that's on them. Let 1 other person die to NOED, if it's you, accept your death. There's nothing you can do about it.

    And also, the situation Otz had was different. That was a comp game, and Otz wanted the Bubba to camp. It was also the map RNG that screwed the survivors over.