Revert Franklin's Nerf

It makes sense, but the effect on keys should have been considered. Keys are extremely powerful and unfair, and such change makes it worse.

Amazing...

I didn't use Franklin's as a killer out of sheer ambivalence, but as a survivor, if I brought a key for a challenge/to clean out a character before prestige, 3 in 4 games saw the killer put on Franklin's. Same if someone else in the lobby brought a key. I'd immediately unequip my item unless it was a toolbox; there was no point.

Do you honestly not see the problem with giving killers zero ability to counter to the item that lets survivors win the game early and can turn a guaranteed 3k, 4k without hatch, into a 1k3e? To the point where survivors no longer even have a need to do their own counterplay (because plenty of survivors were stupid enough to fall for it?) Like, this is why Moris got nerfed to where they are - there was nothing survivors could do to prevent the game being ended prematurely, just because the killer brought an item. Your blitheness is coming across just fine, but I'm left wanting for your logic on why this isn't worth getting bothered about.

After 4 years. How long did undying ruin take? Im a 50/50 with mostly survivor hours but even i need to call that bs. Honestly idk why the ds rework took so long. Same with object.

The only killer I use Franklin's on is Hag for the clicky clicky sticks so this isn't too big of an impact to me but it definitely sucks they've nerfed a perfectly fine perk.

Oh seriously?

This is ridiculous.

I'd also like to note that beyond keys, this messes with the effect of Franklin's by altering survivor behavior. You could use the perk as bait because survivors would want to retrieve their items even if they couldn't reliably use them, because they wanted to escape with them and keep them for the next game. Survivors would frequently return to drop spots as soon as a chase was over, after they got unhooked, or even stop to pick up the item right after you hit them, giving the killer an easy second hit. Franklin's Demise was a perk that played off of greed.

By removing the threat of the item permanently vanishing, survivors aren't pressured to retrieve their item. They can grab it at the end of the game if they're still around. You'll still see some survivors picking up their unused purple medkit or flashlight ASAP, but for the most part, survivors are going to be much more comfortable leaving their item behind if they can still walk out with it.

If you made no effort to guard items with Franklin's before, this is a buff, because you'll get more return out of the perk for each hit. A player who takes 30s to retrieve their medkit now has 1/3 of their charges gone, where before, they'd just get the item back. So that's nice for killers who aren't Hag/Trapper. But in return, survivors are going to waste less time running across the map to pick up their items, and there's no ability to guard a key into unusability, which was what a significant portion of players if not most of them ran it for.

As far as I know, the keys work even without charges.

OK thanks.

Also this...

Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one.

The vaccin excuse sound very very ridiculous.

It's like killing a mosquito with a minigun.

It was way too strong of a perk that would punish survivors even if they won by taking away their item , so I'm glad it got changed.

At least now they can balance it with how charges per second it takes away from items and change it accordingly.

Also not to mention that in solo queue you had no idea the perk was in play until YOU yourself got hit and then loop the killer and/or stay on the hook for 90 seconds and BAM your item is gone with no shot of getting it back.

lol

That isn't changed - you can still be punched in the back of the head before leaving gates - What are you going to do? Die for an item?

This solves nothing about losing the item when leaving a trial.

Also another thing about Franklin's and this change.

I get it - BHVR wants consistency but here's the thing. Just give a special rule on the perk that items of a set rarity cannot be dropped and make the Vaccine the only rarity of this item.

That way it can be clearly listed in the rules of the perk and it isn't confusing and you don't dumpster the perk. It also sets up the perk for the future so if more items are added you can make them immune easily too with no confusion.

Tnx for free key buff behaviour, still prefer surv at killer... Nerf the mori and don't nerf key BUT nerf the only perk for counter her... no comment for real