Why's BBQ popular but not WGLF?

I've had people Dead Hard to make the save before me 😂 and they'll have WGLF equipped like I do. It's funny. I run kindred as well so i know when someone is or isn't going to make a save. It's normally not to hard to get the stacks. If I absolutely need the BPs I'll run WGLF Prove thyself and Stake Out with an Altruism offering. Stake Out isn't used a lot but I love that perk! Good BPs!

WGLF actually promotes some pretty bad gameplay on the survivor side. They should have reworked it to give stacks for completed gens as well. The last thing you want is every survivor going for saves. It's so deflating when I see two or three teammates making an uncontested save and heal. Nothing screams "We're definitely not winning" more than that. There's someone who is in the best position to get the save and they should be the only person going for it unless the killer is camping, in which case a double save might be needed.

Because I remember when WGLF first released. It was a horrible experience and it soured me on the perk. I have to imagine I'm not the only one that still cringes in fear when I see a David running to unhook me.

The problem you're not seeing is that there's only 8 possible unhooks before survivors start dying, which is only enough for all survivors to get 2 stacks.

Now, here's the kicker:

• Unhooks aren't always divided evenly. Games are dynamic, meaning not all games will put you in situations where you're able to be altruistic.

Okay, fine, we can use protection hits to gain the last few stacks. However, taking random protection hits will practically throw the game. With that in mind, taking good protection hits requires you to be in the right place at the right time, pretty rare in other words. Therefore, you can't rely on protection hits either meaning in either case, survivors aren't going to max their WGLF unless they get insanely lucky or throw the game.

BBQ on the other hand is based purely on doing your objective, which you have a fair opportunity to do. If you can't hook survivors, then you need to start practicing with bots or online matches.

By the way Tsulan, not sure why you are being defensive over WGLF stacks. Having extra ways to gain WGLF stacks doesn't change gameplay in any way. If Escape Cakes are fine, then so are more accessible WGLF stacks to reduce the grind. Both sides should have equal opportunities to use their perk equivalent to reduce the grind. The fact that you're wanting survivors to throw the game, sacrificing your experience as well as screwing over your team, just to reduce the grind is very unfair on your end.

Doesn't solve the problem of survivors having to be altruistic, which is pretty dependent on what situation the game puts you in. Of course, I'll take anything to make WGLF stacks more accessible, I'm not complaining, but this doesn't solve the core problem of survivors being forced into a playstyle that won't always present itself.

As for DCs canceling BBQ stacks, I definitely agree that DC'd survivors should automatically reward a BBQ stack. I'm totally on board with giving both sides equal opportunities to gain stacks.

My apologies, should've clarified better. I know you don't advocate for throwing games, but just pointing out that survivors can't always be altruistic. Trying to be altruistic when the situation doesn't call for it will likely, not always, throw the game. When you mentioned having a survivor unhook and take two protection hits after, this is very unrealistic and will throw the game. I'm not sure if you realize this or not; maybe you're talking about an edge case where you would do this in an actual game.

About survivors being more altruistic: If you're given the opportunity to be altruistic, like the one you prescribed, great — take your stacks! However, it will never be enough to gain all WGLF stacks unless you get a rare game where the situation always calls for you to be altruistic. Even if that's the case, the other survivors likely won't get any WGLF stacks since they probably didn't get any altruistic opportunities. Everyone should have an opportunity to get their stacks, not just whoever was altruistic in your team.

Essentially, you would be throwing the game for yourself only just to get WGLF stacks since a camping killer would just allow the trade and sacrifice you insisted. You shouldn't have to throw the game for yourself just to get stacks. Picture this, image if BBQ required the killer to damage 5 generators. The killer won't always get the opportunity to kick a generator, sometimes it's best to not kick it at all since you would be giving distance to the survivor. If you kicked a generator when the situation doesn't call for it, you would be giving survivors such an easy game. That's the comparison with how current WGLF is, survivors can't always be altruistic and doing so when you're not supposed to will give the killer an easy game. We have to give both sides something they are always supposed to do — survivor's would be doing generators and killer's would be hooks. Simple as that.

Back to the beginning of my post, great — take your stacks! However, that alone won't be enough to get all WGLF stacks unless again, you're put in a game where the situation always calls for you to be altruistic. Actually, to save time... I'll just to a copy and paste:

About survivors being more altruistic: If you're given the opportunity to be altruistic, like the one you prescribed, great — take your stacks! However, it will never be enough to gain all WGLF stacks unless you get a rare game where the situation always calls for you to be altruistic. Even if that's the case, the other survivors likely won't get any WGLF stacks since they probably didn't get any altruistic opportunities. Everyone should have an opportunity to get their stacks, not just whoever was altruistic in your team.

To point out, on the second story you told me:

You were altruistic when the situation didn't call for it and that got you sacrificed. Being altruistic won't always present itself in games and doing so will get either you or your teammates killed. This brings me back to my point were WGLF stacks are hard to obtain due to the fact you need to be altruistic and that always isn't possible unless you're willing to throw the game for either yourself and-or your teammates.

I would much rather prefer having control over stack accumulation as I do now. With this idea, I'd be depending way too much on my teammates.

You mean like Babysitter?

How about a compromise? Since survivors have many playstyles, we should reward all of them.

We're Going to Live Forever

When you have a goal for survival, you will make sure to accomplish it.

When performing any of the following actions for the first time, gain a token:

• Complete repairs on a generator [or repair the equivalent of one generator]
• Safely rescue a survivor [I.E. Safe Unhook, Recover a Dying Survivor, Pallet / Flashlight Rescues, Protection Hit, Hook Sabotage, etc...]
• Complete a heal on a survivor [or heal the equivalent of one health state]
• Stun the killer by any means [I.E. Pallets, Perks, etc...]
• Cleanse any totem [I.E. Hex, Boon, Dull totems]

Once all generators have been completed, for each survivor that's alive, gain a token up to a maximum of 2/3/4 tokens. Each token gives you 25% bonus bloodpoints post-trial.

Gain the immortal status effect when close to death for 30 seconds.

This would reward a variety of playstyles, not just a singular playstyle that might not always be possible. Survivors will be encouraged to be flexible, which by design, is healthy for the game. We want players to adapt, it's a key part to being a survivor and helps them get experience in all situations.

So basically try to play how the emblems are layered out?

Not gonna happen. We have people that are altruistic, runners, gen jockeys and the flashlight clickers. You can´t expect them to do all things. Even if it would benefit them. People would completely stop using WGLF.