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STOP LETTING PEOPLE WITH THE PRIDE CHARM LIVE!!!!!!!!!!
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So equip it and try it out for yourself. Why are you hesitating?
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But you have said you do this to people wearing the charm because some of them are so entitled. How is that not aiming to ruin their experience?
you are doing it 7 times in a row after all.. it’s not a one match situation in your description. It is targeting.
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So we've established that killers can and do play differently due to certain cosmetics. Why is it a problem when it's the Pride charm?
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How is that specific player that gets targeted by the same person 7 times in a row supposed to know that it wasn’t aimed to destroy their personal experience?
if you target Blendettes you are not automatically targeting every Claudette or every character that is a person of color. You are targeting players that play in a specific way. Of course that’s not breaking any rules and doesn’t have anything to do with racism.
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What and risk being camped and tunneled even more? No thanks. :)
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And I do it to Claudettes because some of them are jerks. And Lauries. Or the ones with crass or childish usernames. Killing them as a killer without tunneling, camping or slugging is just PLAYING THE KILLER. In the situation, they are in my crosshairs and on death hook. You're saying I shouldn't kill them because I did last time? That's entitlement.
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You yourself just said that "the feedback" is leaning toward the OP's claim (even though most people are saying the opposite). It shouldn't be an issue to just try it out, see for yourself. I mean, I equip it all the time, so I have that firsthand experience. Who knows? Maybe it'll help your decision.
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I dont use charms personally but pride charm is very popular in my games, either teammates or killers have it every game.
But I didnt saw anything weird, I get camped or not like before, and yes sometimes I get hooked and BM on it super early in the game even tho I play normally and never tbag or anything.
Is it possible thats because I don't have that charm? Maybe, but I dont really give a ######### enough to investigate and just move on to next match.
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Never said that. Again putting those words into my mouth.
but you are letting others live because of it. Because you want someone else to have a bad experience. And that over multiple matches towards one specific person.
since when is it normal gameplay for Killers to let specific survivors live?
i am saying you should treat survivors with and without charms equally, I never said you should let anyone live or escape. But you are actually doing that on purpose..
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I prefer certainties though or as close to it as possible. We'll see how it goes in time.
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You can have certainty if you just try it for yourself.
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No I'm not. You yet again fail spectacularly at reading comprehension. I very specifically said that I would kill both if I could, but in the scenario I can only kill one. I am not letting anyone live.
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There will be players going out of their way to make your experience worse and those that try to be nice and farm with you. Both are in vast minority. That IS a certainty.
most players don’t care about or even notice the charm. If anything of the above happens, those will stay in memory more of course, that doesn’t mean it is happening all the time though.
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I understood perfectly fine.
you are in any case let the one without the charm live and kill the one with charm if you can kill only one and have the chance for any of the two.
of course you gotta make a fast decision, otherwise both get away.
what you fail to comprehend is that if you make the decision to always make the one with the charm have the ‚worse‘ experience, that is griefing. And you already admitted you would do this because out of spite against others that used the charm to falsely accuse you.
in the end - no one can stop you. You can’t even get reported for it as that theoretical scenario you described can’t play out that way in actual matches. You are fine, I am not calling you a horrible person either. Many people do this because of other certain cosmetics.
it’s just very weird to go out of your way to announce this publicly in the official forum and even try to defend this behavior. And then you are blaming one specific survivor team for it.
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No, you didn't understand because you said I let someone survive. Own up to your mistakes.
You seriously think it counts as griefing because I killed one person over another? It's not. You can jump through all the hoops you want to claim it's griefing, it's not going to change the fact that it isn't. I admitted I hold grudges against several types of survivors for several types of things.
What's weird is for you to jump the gun and call it griefing when you can't understand the concept. I've never tried to defend the behavior "so maybe don't put words in my mouth?" I'll say it loud and proud again. Official forums, unofficial forums, bathroom walls and toilet stalls. I don't care.
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I never said it counts as griefing if you kill ONE survivor over the other in one match.
you described it yourself. You will do this to a specific player multiple times in a row without any gameplay reasons. THAT is griefing.
and doing it only against survs with the charm is griefing as well. This was confirmed by the official Twitter account after they before that made a tweet that was not clearly worded.
you are the one not understanding the concept of griefing. Even though it was defined like that.
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what if I want to farm and the pride charm is a way to communicate that?
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Just don’t force others to farm if they don’t want to. Farming on its own isn’t exactly against the rules. It gets problematic if you force others that clearly don’t want to be part of it.
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The specific player is in a situation where they would be killed. I, as a killer, take that chance. Just because they have the charm, doesn't mean I should ever NOT take the chance. You continue to fundamentally fail to grasp the concept.
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7 times in a row (and even more so, every time all the time) even though there is another survivor. That is the problem.
don’t act like I am trying to say you should go out of your way and not kill someone/take the Chance. You are the one with double standards here.
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Yes, because I can kill them. Both are in front of me, both are equally vulnerable. I'm not going to avoid one because they may feel salty about it.
There is no double standard for me. Stop using terms you don't know the meaning of.
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You are saying it yourself, both are equally vulnerable but you decide to grief someone you already targeted six times before? You are going to avoid one because they don’t wear a charm.
you pretty much described the perfect (theoretical) griefing scenario without using tunneling or camping but you fail to comprehend that.
i also never said you shouldn’t do this because they would feel salty. I just explained to you that it is purposefully griefing from your part. Personally I don’t care if you are doing that. If I was in that scenario with the charm I would even go out of my way that you have to take me over the other survivor.
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I've found the opposite, sadly. More likely to be camped and tunnelled. I had a game with a Billy at the weekend, he had already hooked a couple of teammates a couple of times before he found and downed me, and then he face-camped and hit me constantly with both basic attack and chainsaw dash until I died on hook - which he didn't do with any of the others. Couldn't help but think it was due to the charm...
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The choice is going to be arbitrary no matter which you do. It could be because I respect the Adam more, or because I like his hair. You fail to comprehend that it's not griefing to kill someone in a normal game over and over.
Them feeling salty is the only thing that would count as ruining their experience, otherwise it's just being killed as usual when you were found by the killer.
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You admitted you did this in spite of those survivors that accused you of homophobia. You are doing this to ruin the experience of the ones wearing the charm, it doesn’t matter if they perceive it as such or not. That’s your intention.
i perfectly remember what you wrote. But I guess you don’t really remember that. And you just can’t admit that you don’t understand the concept of griefing in this game.
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No, it's not to ruin their experience it's because I want to hang them. If intention is all that sets it apart, then you're wrong.
If you remembered what I said, then you wouldn't have claimed I let anyone go. You just can't admit that you're wrong, about that or about what griefing is.
Which is a rather unbecoming quality btw.
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You claimed you would under equal circumstances let the one without the charm go and always aim at the one with charm.
And you would do that with the two same people over and over in a row.
(it would be the same if someone switched the roles of the charm here btw)
your intention is to hang them, sure. But we both know you meant that in a way to let them have a worse experience. Otherwise you wouldn’t have used that survivor team and your saltiness over it as the reason for it.
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I've not noticed a difference in gameplay whether one of my characters is wearing the charm or not. Similarly I played as killer all night, I paid no attention whatsoever to the charms.
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I wonder how many people misinterpreted your post, or at least your title.
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Their experience never comes into my mind, it's about mine and how I want to target certain people. "So maybe don't put words in my mouth?" And it's not letting one go, it's just failing to catch both.
Keep trying to justify yourself. Maybe you can convince yourself that you're right.
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Yep! Survivors...killers are not your friend.
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it's about mine and how I want to target certain people
Thank you for proving their point.
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I mean.. they were saying it from the beginning but in this case, even clearer..
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I don't care about charms, the only time i give hatch is when the last survivor is a Kate or claire
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Yes, but it's good that there isn't a veneer of deniability any more.
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And like I said, just having a preference on whom to kill isn't griefing if you play normally. If that's not the case, there's a long line of people that need to be banned.
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It can be considered griefing if it is the very same player in multiple matches.
and it is considered griefing if your reason for it I racism, homophobia or something like that.
of course, not provable in your case. But still against the rules.
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I'm not going to let a specific player go, just because I killed them last time. I'm playing functionally no different than any other game. They just had the misfortune of being against me again.
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I always play a killer like how I normally play killer no matter what charm, items, or characters people play in matches.
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You know what. If you are so certain about this, why don’t you start to write your reasoning why you targeted someone specifically in the end game chat? If you are doing nothing against any rules that should not be a problem right?
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If I had an end game chat, sure. However, I play on PlayStation so the best I can do is PS message them that. Will that make you happy?
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nope, BHVR can’t make rules for platform messages or take action on these.
and again, no one said you should let anyone go if you can hook them. But you are deliberately choosing someone because of an LGBTQ+ charm over Someone without the charm under any other circumstances which is the problem here. It’s not you killing a survivor or letting another go. It you targeting someone because of something like this.
the multiple matches are just necessary to confirm that you are in fact breaking the rules. Griefing in one single match is possible, but it’s not reportable as no one has proof. If you however explicitly stated after one single match that you killed a survivor because the charm and let another survivor go without the charm (which is literally what you described) that is considered griefing.
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Seriously? This is a thing? The only time I notice charms is if the Survivor wears them on the back position and they are brightly colored. Even then, I'm only going to notice it if they are trying to blend in and hide. This is why I never wear one except in the front position. Most people squat and face into a corner and/or terrain with their back out. If you are wearing dark, or appropriately colored clothing, you blend in. The charm sticks out in that case. That is why I've been wearing that brightly colored target in the front position for the month.
I'm not letting anyone live, nor am I killing them, over a charm. I don't care who you are in the real world. I don't care about your age, gender, political affiliation, sexual preferences, religious denomination, or even if you are the kind of person who takes your shoes AND socks off on a commercial airliner. Inside the Entity's realm you are just a Survivor or a Killer and are treated as such. One of the main reasons I wasn't excited about the inclusion of identity politics inside the game is precisely this situation. There are weirdos out there who seem to care, whereas I don't. Even if I met you in the real world I would not care about these things.
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or even if you are the kind of person who takes your shoes AND socks off on a commercial airliner.
People like that end up in the Bad Place, or so I've been told. It's no wonder they're in the Fog...
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Again, I do it all the time without the char but for different reasons. Multiple people, even ALL the survivors could have the charm. Then I find another reason to make someone the goal.
Yet again, I didn't LET him go, he got away. If I could kill both, I would. But honestly, like I said it's like talking to a brick wall. One that gets power washed every 10 minutes. If you think it's griefing, cool. Great for you. I just don't care.
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It doesn’t even matter what I personally think.
it just IS griefing. It is defined as such by the creators of the game. You are the wall here not accepting a fact.
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Charms? Charms? Don't talk about charms! Your dead because your a survivor..........Nothing else.
My perspective.
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Great for you. I just don't care anymore.
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OP is saying that even one person wearing the LGBT Pride charm immediately turns that trial into a farming game, or that people with the charm are more likely to be left alive. In other words, the exact opposite of what you're talking about.
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I have yet to see any of that. Yet to kill anyone and them bring up a charm, yet to see a bunch try to farm and even if they did I wouldn't go looking at there charms. I let 2 survivors live over the weekend both on death hook (never looked at charms) because it was a Nancy and a Steve. The fact those two ended up last two alive plus being a stranger things fan said what the hell. But charms? This is funny.
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