Tunneling = Gen Rushing
Yeah they're the same
1.Both are completing the objective as fast as possible. While ignoring other things.
2.Both are legitimate and fair strategies. With enough in game and perk counters.
Honest opinion. But, yes, both can be unenjoyable.
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And now you know how to play comp
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Both are exactly why high level DBD sucks - from a viewer and player perspective.
Optimal strategies but unfun.
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For the health of game, BOTH need to be fixed.
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Yes, they're both based on the same principle of rushing through your objective for the highest chance of winning. The problem people have is that neither tactic is very fun, not even for the side doing it. As a survivor, rushing through gens and barely seeing the killer isn't fun, and it's also not fun as killer to have nearly no chance to participate because the game ends so quickly.
Why is the game designed so that the best chance of winning is to deny the other side a chance to participate? Why is this game designed in such a way that it's not fun to play to win?
The problem on the forums is that people tend to blame the other side for using these tactics rather than blaming the game's design for encouraging these tactics. Players adapt to do what they've learned is required to win, so blaming them and shouting for them to be punished is just blind animosity which is unfortunately pretty common here.
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Gen rush is worse since no one have fun.
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Too true
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Lol whatever makes you feel better. I’m sure the other killer mains will be in here soon to pump you up. Bravo.
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I feel like making gens have more to them before being able to just m1 them (have to find a part or something or they go much slower), and making hooks reposition like Pyramid heads cages if you stay by them too long, unless basement/endgame collapse. Just anything.
I think both approaches are fine, when it's not like unwarranted and at the start of every match.
The problem with it all is that when optimised gameplay is just tunneling + camping and gen rushing. And that needs addressed, its horrible for any new player I've tried to introduce.
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Thank you for reinforcing my above post, "blind animosity [...] is unfortunately pretty common here." https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2302917/#Comment_2302917
You know it lets the devs get away with bad design choices when you blame other players instead of the ones actually making the decisions, right? And so nothing ever improves for anyone because everyone's so distracted spewing bile at each other. Bravo.
Even if you're trolling, you're contributing to the negativity here.
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Pretty much, yep. Unfortunately, both tactics are here to stay unless there is some major overhaul to the game that fundamentally changes it. That isn't impossible but the Devs probably wouldn't do it. The game is an ok-ish spot right now, not counting bugs and performance issues of course. So the Devs probably wouldn't bother.
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That's why we as survivors need a second objective, because I see other survivors say that pressing m1 all the time is boring, so it fixes that problem and no one can complain about gen-rushing. On the other hand though, there's nothing devs can do about camping/tunneling, because they've deemed it a viable strategy, though it wasn't fun. Yes, gen-rushing was a viable strategy, but it to was unfun.
To be honest I don't care what they do as long as major bugs get fixed along the way.
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that would require a complete overall in the entire community's and possibly all of mankind's way of thinking, and unless BHVR is hiding a mass brainwashing device that is never going to happen
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What makes you disagree? And just alleging someone as a "killer main" and not using any good evidence to disagree with my claim is what gets you called a troll. Use evidence first then insult
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Correct, which is why this game will die unless they do something, the minute a competitor in the Asymmetrical space comes along that is able to deliver an actually balanced and fun game that people want to play as an esport, it's over.
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There is a bit of a difference. Tunneling is a decision you make on the tactics you choose to do as a killer. The survivor being tunneled has no say in this and can only react to said tactic. Often making for an unfun experience.
Gen rush, is what happens when the killer leaves survivors too much time, whether by Tunneling one survivor continuously or by lacking skills to pressure gens. In either case, there is nothing else for survivors to do but gens. And it is the objective to power the gates.
When I refer to Tunneling, I mean the purposeful targeting of a survivor to eliminate them from the game. Not the, oh, sorry found you again, bad luck.
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For me, they are not the same. They achieve similar results but they are not executed under the same conditions.
Gen rushing requires items/perks in order to even be considered “gen rushing” … while Tunneling is basically just the killer’s behavior and whether they choose to target the one person, making it available in every single match. That is its only condition.
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Both are compelling and rich.
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No they’re not
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explain
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I don't even think they can do that unless they revisit slowdowns and killers that can cut chase time incredibly short with their powers.
Right now, the game feels like its two sides racing to the finish. We'd need to slow both sides down, not just one.
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yup exactly
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Gen rushing is survivors doing their objective, killers only tunnel outside of competitive when they’re playing badly
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Well said and true. As time went on with dbd the meta became boring, quick gameplay removing much of the survivor vs killer interactions.
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Or if they want higher odds at winning the game. Faster you turn 1v4 into 1v3, better your chances. Some people just like to win no matter the strategy. They dont care about being called trash killer.
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My problem with genrushing is that its too hard to define. You can say its doing gens fast. How fast? Maybe its fast because you failed to keep up pressure? Maybe they were more skilled than you because you got bad roll with matchmaking? Maybe you overcommited to chases?
Now, i consider genrushing only if all survivor team has builds geared towards gen repair. Otherwise, its probably killer just failing to do their job and blaming survivor. I mean, cmon, what are they supposed to do? Watch grass grow?
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You can still gen rush even if the killer is applying pressure. You can bring BNPs, Prove Thyself, let teammates go to stage 2 to prioritize gens, not heal even tho you can’t run the killer but the gens are a priority. Those (to me) are considered actions taken in order to gen rush. Anything else I don’t consider gen rushing.
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Survivors want 12 hook games, but don't want to 99 7 gens.
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I honestly feel that ,if killer's had more time to play around instead of being forced to do most things like camp and tunnel just to get a hook it wouldn't be so much tunneling or camping,the gen speeds aren't going anywhere but just try this as survivors mains for this week take off all perks that give second chances,are speed boost don't do gens as fast as you can and let's see what what happens. If there will be some tunneling and camping still because someone is having a bad weekend, but if survivors don't play like maniacs and just play for once then see what happens, there's some incredibly rude survivors who just want to drive you insane and there are some really low killer's who just want to make you're day unfun
So I'm asking for a cease and desist and both sides to see what happens. Killer's don't run you're Noed and survivors don't run you're Adrenaline boost or Dead Hard,it will be boring but it's worth the experiment.
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As long as definitions are correct thats 100% true,
if someone is doing gens while 1 surv is hooked, 1 is chased yup
if killer is ignoring everything (survivor bodyblocking his way so he has to m1 him and then still follows unhooked guy)
then yup both are equal
BUT there are some exceptions:
killer cant catch surv for 2 or 3 mins (there is nothing to do for survs) and if you dont expect 3 gens to pop after 2,5min when you still cant get a down (or hit multiple survs) ... what do you expect?
surv after being unhooked is shifting straight through center of the map ... what do you expect? or when youre doing gen on killers face?
those terms WHEN USED PROPERLY are equal, but both sides are so blind and are throwing them all the time to make excuse of their death/losing gens
I got games when I killed 1st person on 9th hook and i got called tunneler, same when i was surv and killer killed on 9th hook random called killer a tunneler xd, also i got games where i did 5 totems, plundered 3 chests gens were done and killer was telling "nice genrush" tell me what else to do?
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Its the same. Tunneling someone to make them die faster is still the killers' objective. A killers only goal is to kill all 4 survivors. Chasing people off of gens is a secondary objective, as totems are secondary objectives for survivors.
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There are plenty of killers who try to play for 12-hook games where they don't camp and tunnel, putting general fun over winning. They then come to the forums complaining that survivors teabag at the exit gates like the killer didn't handicap themselves trying to let everyone have fun, which ruins the killer's fun because they were treating the survivors like fellow human beings trying to play a game while the survivors treated the killer like garbage. The lesson killers learn from this is to camp and tunnel, which leads to survivors coming on the forums complaining they're not having fun. The bad matchmaking system makes everything worse as total newbies are put up against skilled players.
It's all an endless cycle, and too many players are so deep in it they don't know how to hold back anymore. Really, you can't change people, so the game needs to be changed at a fundamental level. Interaction between sides needs to be encouraged rather than discouraged, and killers need to be given more time while taking away any ability whatsoever to camp and tunnel. You can't give killers more time without taking camping/tunneling away, and you can't take camping/tunneling away without giving killers more time. It's a stand-off, and while the devs may understand this would improve the game I don't think they want to touch it with a ten-foot pole due to the uproar such an upheaval would cause as they try to balance it.
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Gen rush beats tunneling though, unless the person youre tunneling is awful
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Brilliant way of putting it. Im stealing this and pretending its mine fyi. Cheers 🍻
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Tunnelling does equal gen rushing to me. I will play fair but if I think the gens are going too fast someone definitely needs to be taken out of the game.
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I literally said that in my post. I considier genrush a genrush only if survivors have builds geared towards gen repairs. And if they let teammates go on second stage because of gens, well, good luck with that.
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played a swamp game and ghosty was the killer. He marked me and downed me pretty hood. it was my fault being on the boat. I struggled to almost 300 points by the time i got hooked. then 3 gens popped couldn't be more than 90 seconds into the match.
Sometimes you have to try to ruin the game for some to have a chance without the survivors doing anything more than working on the first gen they see.
It shouldn't be like that but i'll be damned if i know how to fix it.
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People shouldn't complain then but they do,most survivors from I've read or played against want the killer to be so weak where it's a guaranteed escape. Meanwhile they won't acknowledge there own skills,and don't realize what it's like to play against a four man squad,while 3/4 run sprint burst,lithe on Haddonfield.The killer basically has to do, what they must to ensure a victory.Tunneling is just the realization that you can't win with a certain killer or the fact that how nice you play,It will never be appreciated,maybe by some but the majority,just want to stomp you and say gg ez.
I don't know why it's not an agreement survivors play the way they want and killer's play the way the want.
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It's literally the same thing.
How can it not be the same thing.
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OP is totally true. Well stated.
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Doesn't gen rushing mean just doing gens? Thats literally all survivors can do
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Doing gens is good gameplay, tunnelling is a substitute for not playing well
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Both tactics are planning to finish game fast. So i do not think.
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And most people dont know what either of those things ACTUALLY are.
Get called a gen camper. Get told I gen rush after a 15minute match.
People are ridiculous...
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Nope, tunneling doesn't work agaisnt efficient survivors. I've tried. It's just laziness.
Camping and slugging, those are different stories. But tunneling? Completely inneffective, both BT and DS exist so you're literally preying on off-meta builds.
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The only one stating things as they are. No wonder you completely got ignored. People tend to conveniently forget that if they get "genrushed" it's most likely their own fault for playing badly. But tunneling one specific survivor out of the game is their own choice
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What I find unfun is that the survivor tunneled is usually not the one gen rushing. If you don't catch the rusher, they'll let that survivor die on hook so they finish all the gens.
That's why I usually start running around if 2 gens are done and the killer hasn't even hit a survivor.
In most cases, it doesn't end up well for me because the killer sees the third gen pop by the time I get hooked (not because I last that long in a chase, the rushers kept going while I was looking for the killer). And they leave me there to rush another gen before I get to second phase.
One gen left, the killer comes back to the hook as no one else is on view and one survivor comes to unhook me on second phase, the killer hits them and they run away, doors activate and out.
If they managed to unhook, I would go down because I am the only viable kill.
This has happened several times.
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Tactics imply planned in advance, most killers don’t plan to tunnel, it’s usually in response to them playing poorly
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They're not the same by any means. If you want to tunnel, go ahead and keep tunneling. You don't have to make illogical posts to justify your gameplay.
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Thank you! I agree
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Sometimes im really not sure if people are just trolling or being serious....
Killer kills as fast as possible = BAD
Survivors doing gens as fast as possible = GOOD
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