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Just one bad day: aiming for The Pig.

GeneralV
GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673
edited June 2021 in General Discussions

“All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.” -The Joker.

Greetings survivors, killers, and both-siders of the Fog! Do you guys like Batman? If you do, then you probably recognize this quote from the Clown Prince of Crime himself. It has a deep meaning on the DC Universe, but I never thought it could apply to DBD...until today, during what I will call "GeneralV's Piggy Training".

Now, for context purposes: I bought the Saw Chapter in early 2019, together with the Halloween Chapter and the Of Flesh and Mud Chapter, but I never payed too much attention to the Pig. I got her sweet MYC to use on Freddy, and that was about it. For a long time, she just stood there withering away with the other killers that I do not play as.

But recently, a small chat with @PigMainBigBrain reignited my interest for this killer, and this was paired with the upcoming Event that happens to be a perfect opportunity to level up killers and survivors. I decided that I wanted to level her up and learn what she was truly capable of. Who knows, perhaps she would even become one of my mains, as it is getting harder to enjoy Freddy's current power.

And so the training session began. The first few days were okay, but I knew things would get complicated eventually. After all, that is usually what happens when you try to learn a new killer. Little did I know that I was not prepared enough.

First game of the day: The Game. Playing Pig on her home turf opened the possibility of a thematic start, however the sheer amount of safe pallets were there to ruin my plans. Without Brutal Strength, or insta-down perks, or the proper playstyle, that game did not end well. The survivors were quite proud of their easy earned victory, and made no effort to hide that.

Second and third games of the day: Fractured CowHell and Torment Creek. Of course the person who hates the Realm Beyond would get reworked Coldwind twice in a row, especially when said person is trying to learn a new killer. Once again, failure.

Fourth game: Hawkins National Laboratory: Somehow managed to kill everyone, which included a RBT kill and a Blood Warden kill. However, it was an extremely sweaty game which could've ended in yet another loss. The gens were very hard to hold, and I was probably using my power in the worst possible way.

Fifth game: Groaning Storehouse: This game was a total mess. The survivors were good and I made a lot of mistakes. 1 hard earned kill, and probably nothing that contributed to my learning session.

And this point I was getting a little bit tired, and considered going for a break. However, my stubborn mind had the brilliant idea of playing one last game. It couldn't possibly be worse than everything I had already gone through.

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It was.

Being very close to the brink of insanity, I finally decide to take a break. Soon I will return, hoping for better trials.

And if you've read this far, I thank you for your sympathy and kindness. I just wanted to share my experience of what was my worst day of DBD ever since I first started. But if you have any Pig tips, I would love to hear them.

As always: see you in the Fog!

-Signed by GeneralV, your local Old Freddy main and wannabe Pig Enjoyer.

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And here is my little Piggy, waiting for a chance to shine. May The Entity help me.

Comments

  • SilentPill
    SilentPill Member Posts: 1,302

    I guess I don’t get what you mean by “learning the killer” since pig is pretty much pure M1.

    The only real decision to make is to tunnel head traps or not.

    If you don’t have combat straps + video tape the lunge is useless at all but the shortest loops. And I would much rather use addons to pump up the head traps. You are already just playing an M1 killer and relying on luck so you might as well go all the way and have them kill people for you if you get lucky.

    I usually just do monitor + 2 chase perks and just run around never crouching. Even if you have information perks to try and sneak up on gens she will get crushed by spine chill so it’s usually not worth attempting.

  • Beelzeboop
    Beelzeboop Member Posts: 1,306

    I feel you.

    This is literally what happened to me while trying out Myers.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    This cannot possibly be all there is to Piggy, especially when this "decision" would never cross my mind, as I don't tunnel unless absolutely necessary.

    But I suppose an alternate playstyle is not a terrible idea. Of course I don't even have perks for that, but it is what it is. Thanks for the suggestion, I will make sure to test it eventually.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    It is complicated, isn't it? I know this kind of situation is pretty normal when you are trying to learn a new killer, but I wasn't expecting it to be that bad.

  • DoritoHead
    DoritoHead Member Posts: 3,546

    It stinks when you want to pick up a killer but you hit a wall. I know that feeling pretty well.

    But what helps me sometimes is looking up a guide on youtube to brush up on the killer. Maybe that'll help you?

  • SilentPill
    SilentPill Member Posts: 1,302

    Well pig is going to get slapped without chase perks, or it will be very painful even if you win. I’d never want to take enduring off her and usually have bamboozle. As an M1 killer you ~will~ be eating pallets a ton and depending on what rank you are at you can’t waste time respecting them.

    I use monitor to close the gap faster since her stealth is largely useless. She is a killer I would consider NOED on since if the survivors get the bear traps off first try she literally just has no power and is the worst character in the game by a long shot.

    I can’t really think of any advanced decisions to make as her. Put a head trap onto someone and slug them for pressure if you see two people at once? Use her built in insidious to camp a gen or a hook? IDK.

  • DrJohn
    DrJohn Member Posts: 223

    Nerf the pig

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Precisely. I actually had his video in mind, but did not watch it yet.

    Perhaps an actual master might be able to help me.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Unfortunately, Pig is one of the killers that's on the "physically cannot play" list for me because people really do just predrop filler pallets and slam gens before running rings around you at long walls and killer shack (because now us survivors know the right angles and timing to make killer shack insane again).

    I really, really liked playing Pig, I learned everything I could about her dash, but she's just an m1 killer the moment the mildly unsafe pallet goes down.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Yeah, it is something I've noticed too. Makes me angry at the Bloodweb for not giving me Brutal Strength.

    But I shall not give up, no matter how challenging it is.

  • PigMainBigBrain
    PigMainBigBrain Member Posts: 1,893
    edited June 2021

    I consider Scorpionz a mentor of mine. I've been watching him for years perfect his own playstyle, and borrowed some of his tactics to perfect my own. But unlike Scorpionz I tend to focus on objectivs and stall rather than brute force and constant dashing. Not that I've forgotten or don't use any of the dashing, but theres a time and place, but his little trick on certain loops to hide blood stain and double back ( I steal that ######### whenever I get a chance) . I usually play her as a snowbally Killer, stacking punishment on top of punishment, if I can get an inch I'll take a mile until I feel comfortable enough to LET survivors do things. And I'm not gonna lie, my first time playing pig I was pretty bad, and had games about as bad as yours.

    Scorpionz usually tends to run enduring and pallet break perks. I tend to run Thano+dying light and objective gimmicks. If I catch an item in lobby I don't wanna deal with pop franklins, if I can detect a lot of heal sweat, I run all that plus sloppy butcher. Tampered Timer and crate of gears for sweat squads. But for normal matches where I can tell there are solo's I'll run a blind trap+mangled or an exhaustion trap+crate of gears, or blindness traps+knock out for SWF's. Get funky with it and creative. Her versatility in perks and add ons knows no bounds....except for the dogshit barbed wire add ons....we don't talk about those.

    After Thano+dying light I usually will take another 3rd objective strat perk, especially ones that are false objectives like haunted ground, or Iron Maiden. Or thano+dying light+BBQ if I wanna be oppressive and keep up constant pressure. People always sleep on thano+dying light but against a killer who already has a secondary objective stall built into your kit those precious seconds saved by the perks combined can completely and utterly put survivors off their A game, especially if you know how to chase and end loops effectively. Above all else though as all the loopy crazy ######### is going on in a match I'm keeping track in my head of where survivors working on jigsaw boxes are, where I should position myself on the map to corner survivors, who I should chase next, how much time I have between chases and boxes, which of the survivors is trying to be a hotshot, and who of them is being altruistic. Overly altruistic survivors are my favorite because they just love to hook swap, <---which makes thano+dying light stack to the moon. And if you can....make survivors play against themselves more than you. Having perks and combinations that make survivors a hazzard to each other helps get into their heads, and can get into their heads enough that they make dumbass mistakes.

    I can usually get about 7-8 dying light stacks plus a consistent thano pressure by the end of a match, which is 40+% ######### off and stop this damn game worth of slow down and about 2 hooks by the time the first gen is done. Thats 10%+10% slow down by the time 4 gens are still up. Then you just keep stacking and running people through traps even if it means putting the same person back on another bear trap. All about stalls and time with my playstyle. Meanwhile Scorpionz could run around buck naked, but because he's gotten so adept with chases and her dash, he really does make it look easier than it actually is, and some of the dash plays I've seen him do defy logic. But thats really the only 2 viable ways to play her. You're either charging into people like a bull and making 360 no scope chases and dashes and disrespecting pallets, or you play quietly and use stalling and pressure to get into peoples heads. Body plays vs passive mind plays.

    She is an M1 killer but so is like 70% of the roster. If you already know how to operate an M1 killer then that skill will translate over to her with the bonus of having this chaotic mini game survivors have to deal with in the middle of it as well as on command stealth.

    People put her at lower tiers compared to other killers (usually because they honestly suck at her and M1 killers in general) But back in my day we didn't have all these extra attack powers to carry bad killers through loops they should already know how to handle with M1 and no power crutch.

    If you're used to having a power to crutch you during chases don't play pig or any M1 killer. If you know the fundamentals of all these different loop tiles, she can be a god in your hands.

    Side note I'm having to take a break from this game for a bit cause my M1 button on my mouse is broken, ######### up all my lunges.....thats how much M1 killers abuse that button....

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Hey, glad to see you here! You are the one who motivated me to play her in the first place!

    That is a very extensive guide and I appreciate the help! As soon as I get to P3 I will make sure to go after the perks and add-ons you've mentioned.

    And don't worry, I only play M1 killers so that is not an issue. I hope I become a Pig God eventually, who knows...

  • C3Tooth
    C3Tooth Member Posts: 8,266

    Buff her cosmetic and she will be fine.

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  • chargernick85
    chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    Stbl is the only chase perk i run on her. Just have not needed anything else i personally dont boost her ambush or crouch and do just fine in loops. I crouch and if they dont leave they get downed by ambush dropped pallet or not. Yes there are some spots anbush aint long enough like shack for instance but you can close that with mind games. I also dont run tampered timet crate of gears I personally bring extra trap and extra box. I do my best to put the extra trap on the obsession but just someone running the gauntlet twice is enough slowdown with sloppy. Monitor and BBQ are my other two but i am a hugh fan of enduring so might one day (when bp not needed as much) swap those two for enduring brutal. From what i read on here shes not for everyone but I love her and can kill you faster with her than S class killers.

  • QwQw
    QwQw Member Posts: 4,662

    GeneralV Loses His Mind: The post.

  • ChiSoxFan11
    ChiSoxFan11 Member Posts: 1,093

    I posted this for someone else before, so I'll cut and paste it here:

    As someone who plays The Pig a LOT, a few thoughts -- other Pig players experience with her will obviously vary, but there's always more than one way to play a killer successfully. A lot of good advice has already been given in this thread -- my own experiences are here can be taken for what they're worth, simply one player's experience.

    -- You're gifted with an innate in-game slowdown in the form of your traps, so use them. Some Pig players like to save them, but I start busting them out immediately. Nothing worse than having the last gen pop, and you still have a trap left that's been rendered useless. Survivors will, for the most part, start searching boxes immediately, even if their trap isn't active, so that's a survivor that's NOT working on a generator. That slowdown is invaluable in a game where gens can go by so quickly.

    -- That said, additional slowdown perks for gen regression are useful, if almost necessary, to hang with coordinated Red Rank squads. Corrupt paired with Pop can work, though Pop can be unreliable at times. Even though she's not a high mobility killer, I will run Ruin paired with Undying -- again, once a survivor has a trap on, particularly an active one, they won't be looking for your totem. I tend to run Surveillance with her as well, and I get a TON of use out of it with Ruin (as long as the totems stay up). I run BBQ with her mainly to reduce the BP grind, but Enduring or Brutal Strength is a 4th good perk since you'll be eating through pallets, or Save The Best For Last (since you can save stacks by using your Ambush Attack on the Obsession). Sloppy Butcher isn't bad either, as survivors who take longer healing won't be searching boxes or working on gens. Any additional slowdown you can get is good for you.

    -- Stealth is not her strength, but it still can be useful. Her terror radius doesn't go away immediately like Ghostface, and after you uncrouch, there's a brief period that it takes to come back. She moves painfully slow while crouched, so while it's okay to use it to move around, you have to be selective -- you don't want to be crossing the entire map while crouched. I get a lot of cheeky hits using her crouch to stealth back to a generator that Surveillance tells me someone has jumped back on. You don't have to use her Ambush attack in those instances -- using her stealth simply to get close to a survivor and in position to land a hit before they can reach a pallet or window is often enough. There are many matches where I barely use her stealth at all and are still successful with her.

    -- Thought a lot of people want to label it as useless, I find her ambush attack is VERY underrated at loops that aren't large ones. If you can break line of sight -- and even better if you can get into the pallet -- you can turn it into a no-win for the survivor if they hesitate and don't run immediately away. Here's a great example of how I'll land that type of hit:


    If you think survivors are anticipating you using the Ambush at a loop, you can also FAKE using her Ambush Attack as well, since her roar telegraphs it (something that it would be nice if that would be changed down the line). You can crouch and snort, faking that you're charging the Ambush Attack, then immediately pop back up after a survivor has run from what might have been a safe tile for them and land a hit while they're in the open scrambling to another tile.

    -- Her best add-ons are the Combat Straps, which are a common that reduce her crouch time, and either the Video Tape (an uncommon that reduces the time it takes to charge the Ambush Attack and the cooldown if you miss) or the Last Will (which gives you a 5th trap). If you're feeling particularly spicy, the Tampered Timer/Crate of Gears is deadly, if for no other reason than only the most experienced survivors will realize you're running it before someone dies (if they notice that you're putting the trap on them slightly quicker than normal). I've had survivors die to the TT simply because they got healed off of hook with an active trap and got pushed off of a box somewhere along the way. Her other add-ons are not really anything to write home about -- the one that puts an extra Jigsaw box isn't terrible. Amanda's Secret is a nice meme build that is similar to Scratched Mirror Myers (you get only 1 trap but wallhacks when crouched), but you need an indoor map to really make that work (Hawkins is probably the best place to run that build).

    -- Speaking of traps, the best way to start a round is to get a down and a trap on a survivor's head before the 1st gen pops. If you can do that, you'll have immediate pressure on. While it might be tempting to chase after a trapped survivor, that's NOT the way to play her. The trap IS the pressure, not you chasing after the person who's trapped. RNG can sometimes be cruel -- it's frustrating to see everyone getting their traps off immediately -- but that's still time they have to do something OTHER than work on a gen, which gives you additional time to get the downs you need to win.

    -- The exception to the above rule is when you come across someone on a Jigsaw box, it's always worth it to harass them off of it, even if you don't commit to chasing them. They lose all progress on the box, and if it chases them all the way to another box somewhere else, even better. If, while chasing someone, you run across someone searching a box who's injured, downing them and continuing your chase can provide a ton of pressure.

    -- Finally, players are going to want to meme with you when you play The Pig. I honor every Boop of the Snoot by letting that person live -- I've even let whole teams farm who are willing to Boop out the gate -- but that's not a requirement. If you don't want to meme with your survivors, a quick attack will let them know you mean business, lol.

    I'm not an "expert" by any measure, but I have played hundreds of rounds as her, and I've made it to Rank 1 playing the majority of matches as her. She can compete, even against very good survivors, and she's a lot of fun to play.

    Other people have recommended him, and I concur: the best Pig player I know of is a player by the name of Scorpionz -- he has a whole Pig guide on his channel (here -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UOlX6azR3A&ab_channel=Scorpionz). While I don't follow everything he says to do, I think there's more than one way to play the Pig successfully, and I have learned a lot watching him (particularly about using the Ambush Attack).

    Hope some of that helps -- and good luck playing The Pig! 🙂

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    I am...intrigued.

    Indeed, STBFL truly is a good perk on her, same as the other perks you've mentioned. If only the Bloodweb helped...

    Pretty much it, to be honest. I was one step away of going insane because of this unrelenting sequence of bad trials.

    Ah, my friend, I expected no less from you. Your Pig gameplays show me that you know what you are talking about, and I will make sure to remember your tips.

    Thanks for the help!

    The Pig nerf is going to give me nightmares tonight.

  • DrJohn
    DrJohn Member Posts: 223

    It must be done. Her reign of terror must come to an end.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673
  • DrJohn
    DrJohn Member Posts: 223

    Then I shall be there to fight them. And we all know Legion will take her place as the most op killer.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Funny enough, Legion once was one of the most broken killers in the game.

    It is one of the few things of the past that I do not miss, and I am such an old fashioned player that if there is something that I do not miss than you can be sure that something was a bad thing.

  • chargernick85
    chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    If you dont have ANY decent perks on her cant really have high expectations. The point of perks is to help strengthen the weaknesses of that killer. If you dont have Save, sloppy, Bbq, monitor, enduring, brutal, corrupt, etc then her weakness is glaring and easy to take advantage of. Unless of course you play bots.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Truth be told, I don't have a single one of those perks you've mentioned :)

    The consequences of Prestige. But wait until I get to P3.

  • chargernick85
    chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    Yeah mine hit P3 recently so I'm gathering perks up myself.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Mine is very close to P2. The upcoming event should help me get her to P3 with the perks I need.

  • chargernick85
    chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    Yeah that's how I feel pretty excited about it. I want to stockpile as many as I can I have got every killer to prestige 3 except for the four newest releases. So I want to stockpile the ones that are on Prestige 3. I'm hoping this event helps me to get barbecue on a bunch of them right now Huntress, Freddy, Bubba are P3 50 with BBQ but outside of them ghostface is my only other one that's P3 with barbecue so I might be using him a lot during the event I think he's around level 30.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    On P3 I have: Freddy, Bubba, Clown, Oni and Spirit. PIg is the one I am going for right now, that is why the event will help me a lot. I just need to git gud and make the most out of it.

  • DwarvenTavern
    DwarvenTavern Member Posts: 2,495

    Hey... GeneralV.. I'm gonna say something and it's not gonna sound good.

    But there is a rumor of a Pig rework going to be happening.

    I was told this, so take it with a grain of salt. The rumor was stated like this, when Freddy's rework happened, apparently one of the movie directors of the Freddy 2018 movie was on the dev's stream and the rework happened. The director for Spiral came on to the devs stream and said "and I cannot wait to work with Bhvr again in the future" it may not be the exact quote, but the important part was "again."

    Again, take this with a grain of salt.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Hey everyone, a small update:

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    There is still much to learn, but I think I am starting to get the hang of it. I will make sure to keep training!

    Thanks for the tips, they've helped a lot!

  • DwarvenTavern
    DwarvenTavern Member Posts: 2,495

    You're doing it wrong.

    Where's your tempered timer and crate of gears?

    Nah I'm just messing with you, glad you are enjoying her. She was the first killer I've ever played as and thought about maining

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Thanks mate!

    And worry not, I will give those add-ons a shot a soon as the Bloodweb decides to help.

  • chargernick85
    chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    head pops are fun I get them here and there without the add-ons well I do bring extra box and trap so I guess that increases the odds but the BP you get for head pops stinks. You lose out on whatever chases/hooks were left on that survivor. If your looking for the most BP I wouldn't target them.

  • DwarvenTavern
    DwarvenTavern Member Posts: 2,495

    What? Where.. what? Spiral director made an appearance on the anniversary stream, which was this month

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Precisely. And, with the upcoming event, BPs are the main concern.

  • chargernick85
    chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    Same. One day hopefully sooner rather then later BP won't be such a need. At that time I can run whatever I want, when I want, and strictly focus on winning. I ofc always try to win but what I mean is there are times where better perks are available, better add-ons (pigs for example), rift challenges, rituals, etc where I am focused on BP/challenges instead of 100% just winning at all cost.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    Yeah, sometimes I am a little bit cautious when using add-ons, so that my stock doesn't disappear all of a sudden.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,673

    We sure are! It has been though but I most certainly will not give up.