Has anyone won as Nemesis yet vs a good SWF ?
I'm playing as fair as I can here but Nemesis greatest Weakness is the "Hold W" meta which kills pressure. I haven't won/4K any of my games as being a good Nemesis killer. I just get 4Ks as Nemesis because Survivors were bad or I played by Camping and Slugging.
I honestly don't know how people can call Nemesis as B tier which is the same tier as Hillbilly(for me). Nemesis is not good at anything. Nemesis is not mobile. Currently He is not good at Chases. Oh what's that you say? You disagree that he is good at chases?
Maybe I'm Blind but Survivors intentionally getting close while I whip out the tentacle and missing because the Hitbox of the tentacle is crap should not be a thing. To Effectively use him you need to hit people 3 times with the tentacle which gives speed boost for the first 2 times, In a Hold W meta this is just unfun. Nemesis has the worst add ons I have ever seen on a Killer ever as nothing is worth bringing there. You may say that Killing Zombies for Mutation Add Ons are good but tier 3 is just an extra meter length for the tentacle and you still need to hit 3 times. Did I also mention that Zombies are useless in outdoor maps, even if the Survivors are near the zombie during chase sometimes the zombie just flat-out ignores the Survivor.
I can even say that Trickster is better right now as he is actually oppressive 1v1 and Survivors can't do ######### against Trickster on short height loops. Nemesis on the other hand can only watch Survivors Holding W to the other side of the map.
I don't see Nemesis being in the same tier as Oni, Demo or Hillbilly. So I don't get how my friends or people keep saying that nemesis is a strong Killer and is B tier. Actual B tier Killer can beat a good SWF but Nemesis can never win against a good SWF.
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It seems like stbfl and tinkerer should help cover his hold w weakness. You need a slowdown too, probably pop. Then you just need to decide if you want corrupt intervention or a tracking perk or another slowdown.
His oblvious add ons should help too, hes got a few of those.
Unfortunately I havent gotten to play him much because hes way to bugged right now to be effective.
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STBFL does not help... Tried it. Most of the time it's better to get the tentacle hit rather than the M1 Punch. If you just M1 all the time and just tentacle the obsession then it's inefficient as you're just a 115% M1 Killer that can't mindgame because he's a giant. Tinkerer can help but in my experience he's no mobility Killer, by the time you get there the gen will pop. The fun part is a tentacle infection hit doesn't interrupt actions like doing Gens, Unhooking or Opening Gates btw.
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My thinking was m1 in the open, tentacle if they go through windows/pallets etc.
Good to know about the actions, like i said i havent gotten to play him a ton and when i do its awful.
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I really feel like nemesis first attack needs to both infect and injure having it be 3 hits is whats holding him back alot
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I do pretty well with Nemesis, and while I have a hunch I've beaten a few SWF I can't really confirm it. I run:
Ruin / Devour Hope / Starstruck / Nurse's Calling. I deal a lot of one shots and tentacle whip when I can't. Zombies point out where immersed survivors are and I handle loopers like I always have.
If survivors hug you to dodge the whip just M1 them. A nice pat on the back sends them running and then when they're down you're always there to pick them up.
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Nemesis is a good killer and have beaten a few good SWF's teams. I consider him to be B-/C+ tier atm.
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My favorite complaint was that I won because I respected pallets. The statement actually makes a lot of sense.
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A good bit, mainly through mass slugging, which seems to be effective if they all get a bit too cocky with certain plays.
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I could see this being a tier 3 ability. Like you've hit tier 3 and now even if the survivor uses the vaccine they'll still get hit. Would make him a bit better toward mid to end game.
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Was just about to type something like that, lol. Maybe make it so infecting doesn't count as a health sate if it doesn't injure (This means they wouldn't get the speed boost and lose collision if they aren't actually injured) and then he'd honestly be amazing.
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The good swf players realize you are looking for the whip near a pallet, and when you pull it out you get that speed slowdown. So they will purposefully loop you till you get close and if you pull, they keep running. If you don't, you get hit with the pallet.
They need to eliminate the whip slowdown like they did w trickster.
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Try not playing fair.
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You right. Nemesis cant destroy good SWF.
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That's the problem of this game, devs are making killers stronger and stronger cause they all time have problems with full 4 SWF - but devs should remember that not all survivors are playing in full groups. That should be 2 queues.
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No killer can really beat a good swf, unless we have a different opinion on good. Having said that though even doing insanely well in chases you can still lose without a good build or slugging if they do gens.
Nemesis just isn't top tier, a big issue is zombies suck and his power through windows at angles doesnt work. You cant actually hit the angles like huntress etc. Can.
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You’re either really good at Billy, or bad at Nemesis to think Billy could be stronger
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Yes, but only on The Game. He feels so powerful on indoor maps, but powerless on big maps like Red Forest or Coldwind.
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I have. I win almost every killer game I play. With nemesis I just win quicker as I can hit over walls and pallets making them useless. Survivors are sitting ducks.
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probably
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In my experience you should try to use zombies to get to tier 2 fast as reasonably possible. it’s really difficult with survivors as tier one unless they make a really bad mistake and the ability to quickly destroy pallets is too good to put off till later. Use a mix of zombies and survivors to get to tier 3. Once you get them infected and your mutation to tier 3 you’ll very powerful.
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Yes I have, a game on coldwind vs a 4man. Pretty good players if I say so myself. No tunneling or camping involved, just pure skill.
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Is that the same mythical skill you said you had when you threw down the gauntlet to verse me and then promptly took it back and ran for the tree line? :) Just pure skills we never saw?
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This the same person who said that there’s only 3 killers in the game that take skill
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Bro, I don’t waste my time on people like you. That’s why I didn’t 1v1. Ur just salty because im good
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Allegedly. :) You challenged me remember and then puckered and ran like hell when I said, "let's do it." :) I'm not salty at all. I just love watching you make a fool of yourself over and over again. You do know that you are ALWAYS going to be defined by that one moment when you blinked and cried off (as Roland of Gilead would say). Nothing else you ever do here will matter. For the most part I've been going easy on you, I could be rubbing your face in it every time you post. I'm not quite that shallow. However, whenever you talk up your LEGENDARY skills, well you are just asking to be reminded about that time you squealed and ran.
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Fam ur acting like I care do you think I will cry everytime you say that? Geez I was just joking can you stop taking everything seriously
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I KNOW you do. :) You are just that kind of person. Cowards die a thousand deaths, a hero but one. But I'll leave you alone for now, until the NEXT time you brag about your skills. Avoid that topic and I'll ignore you. Start writing more checks your body can't cash, well I'm going to be there.
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You have got to be crazy if you think I will cry over something on the internet. And why do you care so much about my skills? Can’t say anything these days because you are after me, I don’t need to avoid a topic for you to leave me alone
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I'm not after you. I actually find you rather one note, tedious. But however odious I may find you, when you stick your neck out, it is my duty to remind you of that time you cried off. I'm just saying the easiest way to not hear from me is stop bragging about yourself. :) I'm helpful that way.
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Yeah but once you get his power rolling it’s like quick scoping with deathslinger but you are moving at 115 and can break pallets with it. I didn’t like it at first but I’m quickly seeing how strong he is, especially with marvins blood to hit tier 3 very early.
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Oh you are definitely after me if you think it’s your duty to “remind” me of stuff. It seems very important for you to 1v1 me. What more do you want? Autographs?
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I've been running bamboozle, ruin, pop and corrupt on nemesis. Corrupt to gain at tier 2 or down a survivor, ruin to get some early gen regression and pop in case they cleanse it. Bamboozle is a great perk for M1 killers so they're able to cut the chase short in shack or jungle gyms. As far as add ons id go with infection ones.
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Actually, I'd just like you to act in a civilized manner. Your posts are awful, you so-called arguments the worst sort of fallacy, and you have a weird need to brag about yourself. There is literally nothing I can write that makes you look worse than you do yourself. Oddly enough, despite the fact that I do not like you, I am trying to help you. Food for thought.
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As someone who plays a lot of Myers, I agree. Babmoozle has helped me against a lot of really impressive loopers who would have otherwise eaten my lunch. My Build is generally only 105% speed.
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I’m acting in a civilized manner. And brag about myself? The truth needs to be told. If you don’t like my posts don’t read them
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I'm surprised bamboozle isn't meta. Ive seen Koreans play dbd and most killers all have bamboozle. Its such a great perk against great loopers.
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I have, numerous times now. Of course DbD is all one big crapshoot so I'm not gonna brag about it and say it was all skill in a largely RNG game but Nemesis very much can 3k SWFs.
I find the elephant in the room with Nemmy is the amount of time he spends doing his thing. Whether you use your tentacles or you just run and M1, you're not really doing much because there's only so much pressure you can dish out M1ing with no mobility. You simply have zero time to make any wasted movement if you end up on a large map like Cornwind or Ormond.
Because of this, my personal opinion is that the best way to play Nemesis is to start and end chases as fast as possible, and spend as little time possible doing anything else such as breaking stuff. I think Nemesis benefits from Expose perks or perks that otherwise cut down time spent on other stuff. Some days I run the Enduring+Spirit Fury package(very fitting for Nemesis if I may say so myself) but currently, my build is Surge, NOED, Starstruck and BBQ. Since I'm chasing a lot, I really can't be bothered to run Ruin. I have no interest in protecting the totem, and I don't even want to waste time getting blast mined so for now I'm not even bothering with Pop either.
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That's just not gonna happen. The SWF would have to throw out of their minds to lose that one.
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