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Should dead hard be at survivors base kit?

Surginou
Surginou Member Posts: 14
edited June 2021 in Polls

Basically, DH is a must in the survivors kit. It almost obscures other perks.

90% of the times you play as killer, you probably will have to deal with at least 3 dead hards.

It is one of the mostly popular perks by survivors, alongside with iron will, BT, Adrenaline, Sprint burst...

So, why do i think it should be at the base kit? Well... it is a necessary perk and extremely indispensable for any survivor at any experience level. I don't think it would be unfair for killers, nor they should get any perk in base kit. i am saying this as a killer main. I think we could try to implement it in the PTB.


this is why i think it wouldn't just be unfair to the killers.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FDeadByDaylight%2Fphotos%2Fa.961799927201913%2F3402192553162626%2F%3Ftype%3D3&psig=AOvVaw2iKfoAVkxi0NKO25Jg5EUl&ust=1624680202205000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAoQjRxqFwoTCKijkMXzsfECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ


1- It should keep the exaustion effect

2- David king could get another perk as a substitute (why not a complete rework?


TL;DR

Dead Hard should be in the base kit for survivors since basically you need it to have GREATER chances of surviving.


If you play both, just choose wich one you play most... i ######### up again by pressing enter.

Should dead hard be at survivors base kit? 89 votes

Yes (Survivor main)
1%
hilapasta 1 vote
No (Survivor main)
42%
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Yes (Killer main)
5%
SurginouDoritoHeadTurtleSushiTVShinVibingnakotamcc 5 votes
No (Killer main)
50%
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Comments

  • DoritoHead
    DoritoHead Member Posts: 3,546
    Yes (Killer main)

    Why not. Every survivor uses it anyway and it'll help reduce the grind by at least a little bit.

  • Surginou
    Surginou Member Posts: 14
    Yes (Killer main)
    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2307555#Comment_2307555

    As a killer main, i really don't mind dealing with dead hards. It is different from a decisive strike, sprint burst... stuff like that in main kit would be frustrating as hell to deal with.

  • SadLegion
    SadLegion Member Posts: 222
    No (Killer main)

    No, thank you

  • Surginou
    Surginou Member Posts: 14
    Yes (Killer main)
    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2307563#Comment_2307563

    Why? just curious.

  • Surginou
    Surginou Member Posts: 14
    Yes (Killer main)
    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2307590#Comment_2307590

    I don't think it is that strong that it couldn't be added. But i do respect your opinion.

  • Surginou
    Surginou Member Posts: 14
    Yes (Killer main)
    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2307615#Comment_2307615

    read again

  • CheeseAnton
    CheeseAnton Member Posts: 882
    No (Survivor main)

    If a survivor brings Dead Hard, they bring Dead Hard. I don't see why it'd be a good idea to allow a perk as strong as that be base kit.

    If you know a Survivor has it, you know they only have 3 other perks and that's what makes it somewhat fair, you can avoid it as killer. While as survivor, you know they might not know and that's how DH works.

    If a Killer knew EVERY survivor used DH they could counter it.


    If there had to be a basekit perk it should be for actual issues of the game and not just a perk everyone uses. Say BT to counter Camping a bit, I don't see why DH should be Basekit over BT which actually addresses an issue this game has

  • Red_Beard
    Red_Beard Member Posts: 550

    [ ] No (Play both sides)

    It is definitely not a necessary perk. It works fine as a perk. If you want it, bring it. If not, don’t bring it.

  • Product
    Product Member Posts: 108
    No (Survivor main)
    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2307618#Comment_2307618

    I did read it moron. The #########? What the hell do you want me to read again? You literally said to make dead hard basekit... idk what your smoking but I want some of that too

  • notstarboard
    notstarboard Member Posts: 3,903
    edited June 2021
    No (Survivor main)

    I don't main either side but play more survivor because I often play with friends.

    Dead Hard is the best survivor perk in the game in my opinion. Dead Harding for distance gives you about 3/4 of the distance that typical 3 second exhaustion perks do, it also of course gives you invulnerability while using it, and it can be used at will (provided you're injured). There is simply no need to make a top tier survivor perk base kit.

    If you feel it's used too frequently, why not ask for a nerf instead? It definitely isn't necessary to play with; no meta perk is. If you want to sweat you'll run it, and if you don't then you probably won't. I never run exhaustion perks personally.

  • Yords
    Yords Member Posts: 5,781

    No, also why did you only give us the options of being a killer or survivor main?

    Survivors already have a high chance of escaping with other perks, giving them dead hard at base would nerf all killers in general. The game is already survivor sided, no need to tip the balance in favor of them any more.

  • kaeru
    kaeru Member Posts: 1,568
    No (Killer main)

    If DH was a base kit, what would you do with all other exhaustion perks?

  • Karao_Ke
    Karao_Ke Member Posts: 1,221
    No (Survivor main)

    oh hell no, as if enough players didn't run it already

    Dead Hard is a second-chance perk that allows survivors to screw up and still be able to extend chase by making it to another loop regardless of how the killer plays. As much as I like to run it myself, promoting it to more people sounds like an awful idea.

  • truegod_10
    truegod_10 Member Posts: 393
    edited June 2021
    No (Killer main)

    If it is automatically taking up a perk slot then whatever, I run into it a ton anyway. If not then hell no. Survivors do not need the ability to run a 5th meta perk.

    Also this would eliminate all other exhaustion perks, which would suck as someone who runs lithe all the time.

  • Chocolate_Cosmos
    Chocolate_Cosmos Member Posts: 5,735
    No (Killer main)

    1) I play both sides

    2) No, that's BIG no.

  • RoboMojo
    RoboMojo Member Posts: 1,326

    No.

  • DistortedDream
    DistortedDream Member Posts: 672
    No (Survivor main)

    (I play both sides)

    No, Dead Hard should not be base kit. It would make all other exhaustion perks unusable and it just rewards bad plays. It's ran quite frequently already and very annoying to go against, anyway.

  • GGSlushy
    GGSlushy Member Posts: 61
    No (Killer main)

    no

  • akanadi
    akanadi Member Posts: 242
    edited June 2021
    No (Killer main)

    as survivor:

    i like meme builds as survivor so just having 3 perks lessens the combos

    and sometimes i just dont wanna use dead hard

  • bjorksnas
    bjorksnas Member Posts: 5,697
    No (Killer main)

    it would be like adding a third health state to the game for free, its just not a balanced perk as shown by its prevalence why anyone would want it to be basekit is beyond me especially since it counters well over half the roster and erases mistakes made against them

  • maaadinsomniac
    maaadinsomniac Member Posts: 447
    No (Survivor main)

    No thanks, it's broken perk anyway.


    But maybe default gen regression as base kit for Killer, so you need to stay on generator, you can't tap to fix and run away over and over again. Everybody is crying about how fast gens are done and it's true on red ranks and I'm playing mostly solo, in squad it's like rocket pop pop pop.

  • Dimek
    Dimek Member Posts: 286

    No (both sides) This is a joke right? Someone has no idea how strong DH is.

  • Nathan13
    Nathan13 Member Posts: 6,721
    edited June 2021
    No (Survivor main)

    absolutely not

    also I play both sides

  • Avignon
    Avignon Member Posts: 133
    edited June 2021
    No (Killer main)

    Is there a "aw heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell no" option?

  • SOMENINJANAME
    SOMENINJANAME Member Posts: 294
    No (Killer main)

    Everyone else was already harsh on you. So I'll just say that if they were already given this for free, then it would be like they have 5 perks. It would make toxic SWF a lot less manageable. Still a reasonable question though.

  • SebaOutbreak
    SebaOutbreak Member Posts: 399

    No.

    I play both sides. And I think it's a terrible, terrible idea.

  • Viktor1853
    Viktor1853 Member Posts: 944
    No (Survivor main)

    Its not necessary

  • SomberNokk
    SomberNokk Member Posts: 732
    No (Killer main)

    Good meme and no.