Frustrated: survivor vs killer balance
Ok, so this is partially whining, partially venting, I'm not only feeling salty right now, but downright bitter.
And I'm hoping someone can shine a little light on my personal darkness here.
So I've been playing a little over a month, and I'm rank 8 now on the PS4; a tiny bit higher on the PC; I alternate depending on what's going on in the household here. I play survivor exclusively because I've been concerned that killer might make me motion sick - a lot of first person shooters do that to me. Was considering maybe trying killer with rank reset just to try it out.
I play solo rather than SWF because the people I've tried to play with always have a lot of background noise on their mics and it seriously throws off my skill checks. Thank god I haven't had a lot of hunters lulliby at max stacks! 
anyway, as I've improved in ranks, I've noticed that entire teams are getting wiped out to the killer, over and over and over. Its really, really frustrating. The last three days, almost every match I've been in has seen the killer get all four killed; in a couple of cases, with almost no gens finished as the killer was able to constantly pressure us, making it difficult to finish gens. I play quite a few matches every day, and I think the only escapes I've seen on my teams has been a total of maybe three?
I don't mind losing, I don't mind dying, but when I've had very few games now where even one person escaped, it starts to feel like, at least at higher ranks, the game is heavily weighted towards the killer.
Someone told me once on these same forums that SWF>killer>solo survivor. If this is the case, this feels like the game is quite imbalanced. I understand a lot of killers have complained that some of the killers are too weak, but some of those selfsame weak killers have at times been the ones slaughtering our teams.
I've heard that SWF is a different story, but again, it's difficult for me to do that, at least with the friends I have, due to background noise etc etc. At least on the PS4; havent done much on the PC SWF yet.
I'm not saying I'm a great player by any stretch. In fact, I consider myself pretty average so far. If I was the weak link here, I dont think I personally caused the downfall of every group I'm in. But just watching the vast majority of the matches end in 4 kills has really started to discourage me, and I'm starting to wonder if I want to even continue playing this game anymore.
Really, I'm trying to find that light at the end of the tunnel here; Id like to keep playing the game, but if these matches are indicative of typical match results as you get to higher rank when not playing SWF, I'm wondering if this is for me.
Thanks in advance, sorry for the salt.
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Rank8 is not high rank, in rank1 escape rate is too high.
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You're way too new to know the game's problems yet. Sorry.3
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@MhhBurgers said:
Rank8 is not high rank, in rank1 escape rate is too high.Never said it was high, but its a lot higher than 20.
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@DocOctober said:
You're way too new to know the game's problems yet. Sorry.Which is why I as posting to ask for encouragement, not chastisement. But thanks?
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Look man, I see what you are getting at. You're calling yourself a "solo survivor" as if it completely handicaps you. This isn't true, you underestimate how much trouble a single survivor can give a killer. Calling yourself a "solo survivor" is just your excuse for being bad. Sorry, someone has to say it. I've played a lot as killer and I've seen some damn good solo survivors out there that have carried their team.
My advice to you is to concentrate on getting better, not your team. Just slightly improve your looping skills. You'd be surprised how much time a bad looper can waste just by throwing pallets down over and over on a killer's face.
Even go play as killer for a little bit so you can see both sides and learn how a killer thinks.
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Is it me or are newer players ranking up wayy too quick? Before this crappy emblem system for some reason, newer players were put in ranks they shoulda been in. ######### is going on??? Oh btw Solo survivor is quite weak rn. I play survivor and killers (I used to be a survivor main until the pallet vacuum was removed) so I feel ya pain bro.
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@iceman2kx said:
Look man, I see what you are getting at. You're calling yourself a "solo survivor" as if it completely handicaps you. This isn't true, you underestimate how much trouble a single survivor can give a killer. Calling yourself a "solo survivor" is just your excuse for being bad. Sorry, someone has to say it. I've played a lot as killer and I've seen some damn good solo survivors out there that have carried their team.My advice to you is to concentrate on getting better, not your team. Just slightly improve your looping skills. You'd be surprised how much time a bad looper can waste just by throwing pallets down over and over on a killer's face.
Even go play as killer for a little bit so you can see both sides and learn how a killer thinks.
harsh, but ok. But I can't imagine I destroyed the entire rest of the team as well, every single match. By your own words, a good solo can carry their team, so by that same rationale, wouldnt a single player not spell doom for the team too?
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@Poweas said:
Is it me or are newer players ranking up wayy too quick? Before this crappy emblem system for some reason, newer players were put in ranks they shoulda been in. ######### is going on??? Oh btw Solo survivor is quite weak rn. I play survivor and killers (I used to be a survivor main until the pallet vacuum was removed) so I feel ya pain bro.You know, I think that newer players may well be ranking up too much. I'm rank 8, but I dont FEEL like I should be rank 8. I think maybe I should be 12, but I cant depip without intentionally playing shittier than I am lol
I only have my own opinions to base that on, but I do feel that I'm too highly ranked for my skill level and experience.
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@Morfedel said:
@iceman2kx said:
Look man, I see what you are getting at. You're calling yourself a "solo survivor" as if it completely handicaps you. This isn't true, you underestimate how much trouble a single survivor can give a killer. Calling yourself a "solo survivor" is just your excuse for being bad. Sorry, someone has to say it. I've played a lot as killer and I've seen some damn good solo survivors out there that have carried their team.My advice to you is to concentrate on getting better, not your team. Just slightly improve your looping skills. You'd be surprised how much time a bad looper can waste just by throwing pallets down over and over on a killer's face.
Even go play as killer for a little bit so you can see both sides and learn how a killer thinks.
harsh, but ok. But I can't imagine I destroyed the entire rest of the team as well, every single match. By your own words, a good solo can carry their team, so by that same rationale, wouldnt a single player not spell doom for the team too?
Taking out the weakest link is killer rule #1 because even the weakest survivor can hold down m1.
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I'm not even joking I'm a top tier survivor and if I spent more then about 2 hours a week on this game, which is how much I spend per week rn (rank 11 with that btw even when I get tunneled in half my games), I'd straight up be rank 1. Ik that because on Xbox I used to play way more and got to rank 1 with EASE. Once the console patch comes out, I'm for sure going back to Xbox because there's less stress with bad teams since the killers don't get too salty (compared to SOME PC killers who literally tunnel you for 1 chase longer then 30 seconds) and teams are very good there even if they're not SWF, they are competent and play well. But bad teams are natural they're everywhere in this game, just become a 'Solid' in the team. That's what I like to call the best player, a 'solid' because they're normally good enough to help the whole team win by doing long chases. Matchmaking makes there only be 1 'solid' per team as I've seen so far but sometimes you'll get a whole team of 'solids' who play as if they're SWF but actually don't even know each other ^^. This matchmaking needs fixes tho since 1 month of playing this game should not make u rank 1 (no offense you seem like a chill guy)
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@Morfedel said:
@Poweas said:
Is it me or are newer players ranking up wayy too quick? Before this crappy emblem system for some reason, newer players were put in ranks they shoulda been in. ######### is going on??? Oh btw Solo survivor is quite weak rn. I play survivor and killers (I used to be a survivor main until the pallet vacuum was removed) so I feel ya pain bro.You know, I think that newer players may well be ranking up too much. I'm rank 8, but I dont FEEL like I should be rank 8. I think maybe I should be 12, but I cant depip without intentionally playing shittier than I am lol
I only have my own opinions to base that on, but I do feel that I'm too highly ranked for my skill level and experience.
Rank 12 is for average players. If ur chases are at least 40 seconds and ur optimal on gens, then yes you are rank 12. From what you've said so far, I'm pretty sure ur a rank 12 too. I could be at rank 1 if I spent way more hours playing in a competitive style but I should be rank 5 only. I'm very good at hitting greats, my chases are usually 60+ seconds with the exception of Clown (about 20 seconds), Nurse (10 secs if I'm lucky) and Spirit (30-40 seconds at least because of my build helping me so much)
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@Poweas said:
I'm not even joking I'm a top tier survivor and if I spent more then about 2 hours a week on this game, which is how much I spend per week rn (rank 11 with that btw even when I get tunneled in half my games), I'd straight up be rank 1. Ik that because on Xbox I used to play way more and got to rank 1 with EASE. Once the console patch comes out, I'm for sure going back to Xbox because there's less stress with bad teams since the killers don't get too salty (compared to SOME PC killers who literally tunnel you for 1 chase longer then 30 seconds) and teams are very good there even if they're not SWF, they are competent and play well. But bad teams are natural they're everywhere in this game, just become a 'Solid' in the team. That's what I like to call the best player, a 'solid' because they're normally good enough to help the whole team win by doing long chases. Matchmaking makes there only be 1 'solid' per team as I've seen so far but sometimes you'll get a whole team of 'solids' who play as if they're SWF but actually don't even know each other ^^. This matchmaking needs fixes tho since 1 month of playing this game should not make u rank 1 (no offense you seem like a chill guy)I'm not rank 1, I'm ank 8, but I do agree I dont think my skill level is where my rank is. I am working on my chase skills, I've had some really fantastic chases, and a few that didnt take very long at all, so I'm not there yet.
I think I have pretty much everything else done, its just the chase that I'm so so on.
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@Poweas said:
@Morfedel said:
@Poweas said:
Is it me or are newer players ranking up wayy too quick? Before this crappy emblem system for some reason, newer players were put in ranks they shoulda been in. ######### is going on??? Oh btw Solo survivor is quite weak rn. I play survivor and killers (I used to be a survivor main until the pallet vacuum was removed) so I feel ya pain bro.You know, I think that newer players may well be ranking up too much. I'm rank 8, but I dont FEEL like I should be rank 8. I think maybe I should be 12, but I cant depip without intentionally playing shittier than I am lol
I only have my own opinions to base that on, but I do feel that I'm too highly ranked for my skill level and experience.
Rank 12 is for average players. If ur chases are at least 40 seconds and ur optimal on gens, then yes you are rank 12. From what you've said so far, I'm pretty sure ur a rank 12 too. I could be at rank 1 if I spent way more hours playing in a competitive style but I should be rank 5 only. I'm very good at hitting greats, my chases are usually 60+ seconds with the exception of Clown (about 20 seconds), Nurse (10 secs if I'm lucky) and Spirit (30-40 seconds at least because of my build helping me so much)
Yeah, I think I ranked way too fast. And I wasnt trying to. I think the ranking system and matchmaking system may need some adjustment. Maybe I should play less right now and at reset play a little less aggressively so I dont get in this bind
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@Morfedel said:
@iceman2kx said:
Look man, I see what you are getting at. You're calling yourself a "solo survivor" as if it completely handicaps you. This isn't true, you underestimate how much trouble a single survivor can give a killer. Calling yourself a "solo survivor" is just your excuse for being bad. Sorry, someone has to say it. I've played a lot as killer and I've seen some damn good solo survivors out there that have carried their team.My advice to you is to concentrate on getting better, not your team. Just slightly improve your looping skills. You'd be surprised how much time a bad looper can waste just by throwing pallets down over and over on a killer's face.
Even go play as killer for a little bit so you can see both sides and learn how a killer thinks.
harsh, but ok. But I can't imagine I destroyed the entire rest of the team as well, every single match. By your own words, a good solo can carry their team, so by that same rationale, wouldnt a single player not spell doom for the team too?
To be a competent survivor, you either need to hide well or run well. If you can't do either one of them, then you're gonna be the first one found by the killer and the first one dead. That's just the way DBD goes.
And, to answer your question. Not necessarily. A killer still has to hook each survivor three times. I kind of speculate what happens in your games is one person gets hooked, then everyone drops what they are doing to swarm for the unhook. Then your killer snowballs everyone from there.
If you are playing games and generators aren't being completed, either the survivors are just bad or you're playing a Billy/Nurse every round. Which is it?
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@Morfedel said:
@Poweas said:
@Morfedel said:
@Poweas said:
Is it me or are newer players ranking up wayy too quick? Before this crappy emblem system for some reason, newer players were put in ranks they shoulda been in. ######### is going on??? Oh btw Solo survivor is quite weak rn. I play survivor and killers (I used to be a survivor main until the pallet vacuum was removed) so I feel ya pain bro.You know, I think that newer players may well be ranking up too much. I'm rank 8, but I dont FEEL like I should be rank 8. I think maybe I should be 12, but I cant depip without intentionally playing shittier than I am lol
I only have my own opinions to base that on, but I do feel that I'm too highly ranked for my skill level and experience.
Rank 12 is for average players. If ur chases are at least 40 seconds and ur optimal on gens, then yes you are rank 12. From what you've said so far, I'm pretty sure ur a rank 12 too. I could be at rank 1 if I spent way more hours playing in a competitive style but I should be rank 5 only. I'm very good at hitting greats, my chases are usually 60+ seconds with the exception of Clown (about 20 seconds), Nurse (10 secs if I'm lucky) and Spirit (30-40 seconds at least because of my build helping me so much)
Yeah, I think I ranked way too fast. And I wasnt trying to. I think the ranking system and matchmaking system may need some adjustment. Maybe I should play less right now and at reset play a little less aggressively so I dont get in this bind
Honestly play as much as you want don't let me stop you I'm just a person complaining about the system. It's your fun and if u have more fun playing a lot then don't let someone stop you ^^.
@Morfedel said:
@Poweas said:
I'm not even joking I'm a top tier survivor and if I spent more then about 2 hours a week on this game, which is how much I spend per week rn (rank 11 with that btw even when I get tunneled in half my games), I'd straight up be rank 1. Ik that because on Xbox I used to play way more and got to rank 1 with EASE. Once the console patch comes out, I'm for sure going back to Xbox because there's less stress with bad teams since the killers don't get too salty (compared to SOME PC killers who literally tunnel you for 1 chase longer then 30 seconds) and teams are very good there even if they're not SWF, they are competent and play well. But bad teams are natural they're everywhere in this game, just become a 'Solid' in the team. That's what I like to call the best player, a 'solid' because they're normally good enough to help the whole team win by doing long chases. Matchmaking makes there only be 1 'solid' per team as I've seen so far but sometimes you'll get a whole team of 'solids' who play as if they're SWF but actually don't even know each other ^^. This matchmaking needs fixes tho since 1 month of playing this game should not make u rank 1 (no offense you seem like a chill guy)I'm not rank 1, I'm ank 8, but I do agree I dont think my skill level is where my rank is. I am working on my chase skills, I've had some really fantastic chases, and a few that didnt take very long at all, so I'm not there yet.
I think I have pretty much everything else done, its just the chase that I'm so so on.
Sorry I meant rank 8 I'm stupid don't mind me. Chases are hard. Run Windows of Opportunity- it's super helpful for newer players. Wish I had that when I was new. Run Lithe too if ur a distance kind of person and u don't like to waste Jungle Gyms (the structure with a window in the shape of an L or a straight wall and a pallet opposite side it looks kind of like a T and L wall). Sprint burst is the most newer player friendly exhaustion perk though because Lithe and Balanced landing take a considerable amount of thinking and strategies in that time ur running to the window/drop down. Dead hard is kinda useless tbh but try SB or Dead Hard. ^^ Good luck.
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Escape rate is less than 50% = escape rate is too high.MhhBurgers said:Rank8 is not high rank, in rank1 escape rate is too high.
Typical entitled killer mentality expecting a 4k every game.5 -
@iceman2kx said:
@Morfedel said:
@iceman2kx said:
Look man, I see what you are getting at. You're calling yourself a "solo survivor" as if it completely handicaps you. This isn't true, you underestimate how much trouble a single survivor can give a killer. Calling yourself a "solo survivor" is just your excuse for being bad. Sorry, someone has to say it. I've played a lot as killer and I've seen some damn good solo survivors out there that have carried their team.My advice to you is to concentrate on getting better, not your team. Just slightly improve your looping skills. You'd be surprised how much time a bad looper can waste just by throwing pallets down over and over on a killer's face.
Even go play as killer for a little bit so you can see both sides and learn how a killer thinks.
harsh, but ok. But I can't imagine I destroyed the entire rest of the team as well, every single match. By your own words, a good solo can carry their team, so by that same rationale, wouldnt a single player not spell doom for the team too?
To be a competent survivor, you either need to hide well or run well. If you can't do either one of them, then you're gonna be the first one found by the killer and the first one dead. That's just the way DBD goes.
And, to answer your question. Not necessarily. A killer still has to hook each survivor three times. I kind of speculate what happens in your games is one person gets hooked, then everyone drops what they are doing to swarm for the unhook. Then your killer snowballs everyone from there.
If you are playing games and generators aren't being completed, either the survivors are just bad or you're playing a Billy/Nurse every round. Which is it?
The first. In each case, the group would start saving the hooked, and start getting hooked themselves. I'm well aware that when the killer is camping, you need to work on generators, but it seemed like the team would start going down fast, and then I'd feel guilty for not rescuing people off hooks where there are multiples down already, and it just snowballed.
There were a few billys/nurses, but mostly it was people spending all their time rescuing off hooks or running from the killer, one or the two. I tried working on generators when that happened, but after awhile the team started to thin out....
And I'll admit, my ability to run from the chase is very so so at best, but my hiding skills are pretty decent. However, I'm struggling on the best way to counter the more stealthy killers.
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honestly I'd have to agree with the general consensus that it's a rank issue. The rank and matchmaking system that's currently implemented is not great and needs some tweaks.
Many of my survivor rounds go exactly the way you're describing and it usually boils down to my team. yes, I screw up sometimes, but when I spend half the round working on gens, breaking totems, and being interrupted to go make hook rescues, and wondering what the hell my team is up to while I'm busy being useful... Then I can't even pretend I might be the consistent problem.
but then again I'm on xbox, and when it comes to console, I can only assume that I'm "usually" playing with literal children survivors.
(the random occasional party invites have, so far, confirmed this theory)2 -
As a survivor allot of times you win when you thought you lost.
Figure out what makes you happy in what you would consider a win for your play.
Could be getting a certain high enough score..
Escaping...
Getting a white pip...You can die and still make 20K+... white pip... Would you consider that a win...
Or... 10K... die and black pip... You didn't lose a pip.. so would you consider that a win?Same goes for killer.
You can lower or raise the bar as you see fit.
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@Avariku said:
honestly I'd have to agree with the general consensus that it's a rank issue. The rank and matchmaking system that's currently implemented is not great and needs some tweaks.Many of my survivor rounds go exactly the way you're describing and it usually boils down to my team. yes, I screw up sometimes, but when I spend half the round working on gens, breaking totems, and being interrupted to go make hook rescues, and wondering what the hell my team is up to while I'm busy being useful... Then I can't even pretend I might be the consistent problem.
but then again I'm on xbox, and when it comes to console, I can only assume that I'm "usually" playing with literal children survivors.
(the random occasional party invites have, so far, confirmed this theory)No it's exactly the same on PC too.
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@Morfedel said:
Ok, so this is partially whining, partially venting, I'm not only feeling salty right now, but downright bitter.And I'm hoping someone can shine a little light on my personal darkness here.
So I've been playing a little over a month, and I'm rank 8 now on the PS4; a tiny bit higher on the PC; I alternate depending on what's going on in the household here. I play survivor exclusively because I've been concerned that killer might make me motion sick - a lot of first person shooters do that to me. Was considering maybe trying killer with rank reset just to try it out.
I play solo rather than SWF because the people I've tried to play with always have a lot of background noise on their mics and it seriously throws off my skill checks. Thank god I haven't had a lot of hunters lulliby at max stacks!
anyway, as I've improved in ranks, I've noticed that entire teams are getting wiped out to the killer, over and over and over. Its really, really frustrating. The last three days, almost every match I've been in has seen the killer get all four killed; in a couple of cases, with almost no gens finished as the killer was able to constantly pressure us, making it difficult to finish gens. I play quite a few matches every day, and I think the only escapes I've seen on my teams has been a total of maybe three?
I don't mind losing, I don't mind dying, but when I've had very few games now where even one person escaped, it starts to feel like, at least at higher ranks, the game is heavily weighted towards the killer.
Someone told me once on these same forums that SWF>killer>solo survivor. If this is the case, this feels like the game is quite imbalanced. I understand a lot of killers have complained that some of the killers are too weak, but some of those selfsame weak killers have at times been the ones slaughtering our teams.
I've heard that SWF is a different story, but again, it's difficult for me to do that, at least with the friends I have, due to background noise etc etc. At least on the PS4; havent done much on the PC SWF yet.
I'm not saying I'm a great player by any stretch. In fact, I consider myself pretty average so far. If I was the weak link here, I dont think I personally caused the downfall of every group I'm in. But just watching the vast majority of the matches end in 4 kills has really started to discourage me, and I'm starting to wonder if I want to even continue playing this game anymore.
Really, I'm trying to find that light at the end of the tunnel here; Id like to keep playing the game, but if these matches are indicative of typical match results as you get to higher rank when not playing SWF, I'm wondering if this is for me.
Thanks in advance, sorry for the salt.
"Lol +1"
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Kind of my feeling about players on consoles. Pc versions has a lot of kids , trolls due to being easier to access i may switch to consoles as well with given an opportunity.Poweas said:I'm not even joking I'm a top tier survivor and if I spent more then about 2 hours a week on this game, which is how much I spend per week rn (rank 11 with that btw even when I get tunneled in half my games), I'd straight up be rank 1. Ik that because on Xbox I used to play way more and got to rank 1 with EASE. Once the console patch comes out, I'm for sure going back to Xbox because there's less stress with bad teams since the killers don't get too salty (compared to SOME PC killers who literally tunnel you for 1 chase longer then 30 seconds) and teams are very good there even if they're not SWF, they are competent and play well. But bad teams are natural they're everywhere in this game, just become a 'Solid' in the team. That's what I like to call the best player, a 'solid' because they're normally good enough to help the whole team win by doing long chases. Matchmaking makes there only be 1 'solid' per team as I've seen so far but sometimes you'll get a whole team of 'solids' who play as if they're SWF but actually don't even know each other ^^. This matchmaking needs fixes tho since 1 month of playing this game should not make u rank 1 (no offense you seem like a chill guy)
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The balance will always be ######### as long as the devs are too pussy to remove DS.
Such a broken ######### perk. Absolutely ######### a killer over. 1 of them can kill your momentum, 2-3 just ######### you big time.
Its always the toxic teabagging ######### who use it toom1 -
They should announce that everyone with it will get 150kbp next patch, and then turn it into an offering. No obsession with it.The_Crusader said:The balance will always be [BAD WORD] as long as the devs ar seee too pussy to remove DS.
Such a broken [BAD WORD] perk. Absolutely [BAD WORD] a killer over. 1 of them can kill your momentum, 2-3 just [BAD WORD] you big time.
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@Morfedel said:
Ok, so this is partially whining, partially venting, I'm not only feeling salty right now, but downright bitter.And I'm hoping someone can shine a little light on my personal darkness here.
So I've been playing a little over a month, and I'm rank 8 now on the PS4; a tiny bit higher on the PC; I alternate depending on what's going on in the household here. I play survivor exclusively because I've been concerned that killer might make me motion sick - a lot of first person shooters do that to me. Was considering maybe trying killer with rank reset just to try it out.
I play solo rather than SWF because the people I've tried to play with always have a lot of background noise on their mics and it seriously throws off my skill checks. Thank god I haven't had a lot of hunters lulliby at max stacks!
anyway, as I've improved in ranks, I've noticed that entire teams are getting wiped out to the killer, over and over and over. Its really, really frustrating. The last three days, almost every match I've been in has seen the killer get all four killed; in a couple of cases, with almost no gens finished as the killer was able to constantly pressure us, making it difficult to finish gens. I play quite a few matches every day, and I think the only escapes I've seen on my teams has been a total of maybe three?
I don't mind losing, I don't mind dying, but when I've had very few games now where even one person escaped, it starts to feel like, at least at higher ranks, the game is heavily weighted towards the killer.
Someone told me once on these same forums that SWF>killer>solo survivor. If this is the case, this feels like the game is quite imbalanced. I understand a lot of killers have complained that some of the killers are too weak, but some of those selfsame weak killers have at times been the ones slaughtering our teams.
I've heard that SWF is a different story, but again, it's difficult for me to do that, at least with the friends I have, due to background noise etc etc. At least on the PS4; havent done much on the PC SWF yet.
I'm not saying I'm a great player by any stretch. In fact, I consider myself pretty average so far. If I was the weak link here, I dont think I personally caused the downfall of every group I'm in. But just watching the vast majority of the matches end in 4 kills has really started to discourage me, and I'm starting to wonder if I want to even continue playing this game anymore.
Really, I'm trying to find that light at the end of the tunnel here; Id like to keep playing the game, but if these matches are indicative of typical match results as you get to higher rank when not playing SWF, I'm wondering if this is for me.
Thanks in advance, sorry for the salt.
Yes the game is very imbalanced because of SWF.
Its literally impossible to balance the game until we have ingame voice comms and according killer buffsOh and btw, at high rank a good team of solo survivors should ahve a problem. The real issue here is the ranking system that allows every pleb to get rank 1
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@Morfedel said:
@DocOctober said:
You're way too new to know the game's problems yet. Sorry.Which is why I as posting to ask for encouragement, not chastisement. But thanks?
Don't worry, Doc is just bad at the game. He's always angry with people for his shortcomings.
It's never been easier for killers and the game is generally in good shape, with the obvious exceptions. But it's definitely a chore to solo queue as survivor. This will be changing in time though, so, in that time, just practice, learn and treat the game as it should be treated; a fun party game. If you take this game too seriously it will break you down.
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@The_Crusader said:
Escape rate is less than 50% = escape rate is too high.
Typical entitled killer mentality expecting a 4k every game.
Including all DCs, suicide on the hooks and of course all other mates left with a 3 or 2 vs 1 killer with 5 gens to go.
Not to mention all the "I rather die than leave someone behind" player.As long as survivor do not NEED to survive, those stats don't mean anything.
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@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Escape rate is less than 50% = escape rate is too high.
Typical entitled killer mentality expecting a 4k every game.
Including all DCs, suicide on the hooks and of course all other mates left with a 3 or 2 vs 1 killer with 5 gens to go.
Not to mention all the "I rather die than leave someone behind" player.As long as survivor do not NEED to survive, those stats don't mean anything.
And as long as plebs like me can reach rank 1 easily where only the sweaty tryhard "fbi squads" should be, the stats are even more pointless
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@Wolf74 said:
@The_Crusader said:
Escape rate is less than 50% = escape rate is too high.
Typical entitled killer mentality expecting a 4k every game.
Including all DCs, suicide on the hooks and of course all other mates left with a 3 or 2 vs 1 killer with 5 gens to go.
Not to mention all the "I rather die than leave someone behind" player.As long as survivor do not NEED to survive, those stats don't mean anything.
They don't mean anything to you, because you're mid rank killer that gets destroyed and then pulls his internet cord. Most games, at all ranks, good/great/average killers do fine. Try and be average first, you'll see you can kill survivors quite easily, Wolf
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Evidence it includes DCs?Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Escape rate is less than 50% = escape rate is too high.
Typical entitled killer mentality expecting a 4k every game.
Including all DCs, suicide on the hooks and of course all other mates left with a 3 or 2 vs 1 killer with 5 gens to go.
Not to mention all the "I rather die than leave someone behind" player.As long as survivor do not NEED to survive, those stats don't mean anything.
Oh wait. They never said that. You're pulling out of your backside to support your theory.
There have been stats before where survivors escaoe rates are low and devs confirmed that DC's are NOT included.2 -
I'm a Killer main, but played more Survivor this week and what I found out is, that at rank 10-4 Killers mostly use "cheap" tactics. What I mean is the use of tunneling and heavy defense play with the use of late game one shot perks and Add-Ons. So they secure at least 2 kills every game. For newer survivors this kind of gameplay is way too hard, because they get tempted to rescue and save others instead of just finishing the gens, while the killer is too busy guarding. The problem here is, that those killers get results with it and get 4k's on a regular basis and most of the time get their 1-2 kills, even if they played bad. They won't get up in ranks with that, but neither will they rank down. As a killer it is easy to get to rank 10, but then many don't get the great results anymore and fall back to those tactics where they get at least some kills. And yeah, survivors rank up easy, too. That is probably why you came into the range of killers who play as dirty as possible.
I know, that this playstyle is no fun for anyone, but it is effective to weed out the survivors who are not careful enough, who are inexperienced or who are too altruistic. To get around that, you have to let it happen and just do your objectives. If your teammates still run in a camping Leatherface, they made a mistake. If no one does that, the killer will either learn that this doesn't work or he will close his eyes, flame the survivors for gen rushing and try to fish for the next inexperienced survivors.
It is harsh for the one or two, who were picked up, but it is the best way to punish the killer (he is not getting more and he will downrank).
Of course, you have to work on your mechanics, too. After spending the week close to only playing survivor, it was easier to loop the killer, to plan your route through windows and pallets and sometimes to even win the chase by either getting away or the killer loses interest in you. Stealth is your best weapon, though. A killer that doesn't find a survivor most of the time panics and becomes sloppy. It sucks for the who will get cought, because of high risk of camping, but winning is easier.
I rambled too much.
Conclusion: It is probably the tactics used by the killers, not that they are too strong. A bad killer can 4k against a group where all try to help all the time, especially when doing anything to secure kills.3
