The killer community is destroying this game

Weird. With crossplay on we should get the same matches. Maybe its your region or the time you are playing. Im playing EU and mostly in the afternoon/evening.

Personally, I'd just make it so that Survivors can switch hooks and not die until the set amount of hooks for the Killer is reached. To make up for this, all Killers would be buffed to make that gameplay more viable.

Perhaps, once the hook counter is filled, the Killer then Moris them out of the game. Hook swapping can have a cooldown on it as well, so the Survivor must sit on the hook for a bit to give the Killer time to adjust and figure out where all the Survivors are going. This would allow something like Make Your Choice to still be viable.

Map sizes would also need to be reduced, but realistically, that's never happening.

The survivor community is destroying this game

5 games in a row I had survivors who split up around the map and then just rushed gens then left. The next 3 games after that the survivorsI faced all bullied the killr all game. Survivors are intentionally trying to ruin games to make people quit right now and the devs do nothing about it. Something needs to be done

Goes both ways, both sides can be asses, but that doesn't mean that one side in particular is destroying the game.

it's gone downhill for sure. I get hook trading morons, cowards that crouch doing nothing on the other side of the map as the killer, body blocking simps and killers that think they are a yoyo tied to their last hook because the survivors are generally dumb.

If survivors played smarter we could force them to play different but the fact is most people who play aren't just a couple of bricks shy of a full load.

The last person I tried to friend and play with after an alright game went afk after being the first hooked. Got them down they didn't move it seemed safe I healed them they stayed there. A couple minutes later they go down and then back up on the same hook.

the game was better when less people played

Whenever i see posts like "5 games in a row" i can tell it's either a bait or someone needs attention. I played both sides since 2017 and if anything, almost EVERY round is different. You might get tunneled 2 games in a row if you're unlucky. But other then that you get a variety of killer playstyles. And that's the main reason i keep playing. You never know what you get...

Unbreakable

As a killer main, it's kind of debatable, but at the same time I'm understanding why people come to that conclusion. The killer as the power role of the game DOES control how much fun people have to an extent. However, not all killers play the same. I've recently starting playing survivor and let me tell you. I can kind of understand why some survivors think this, because there are just so many toxic killers, but the way I see it.... It's kind of an equilibrium. Survivors who think it's funny to sit by the gates and teabag till the last 1 second left after they beat a killer (One of the reason I refuse to go by the gates once they're open is because people who sit in it for longer than 5 seconds when they don't need to most likely just want to teabag cause haha funny), or follow them around and click flashlights to try to agitate them if they are struggling to get downs etc, things like these are what a killer then could take out on survivors next game. And as a result, those survivors can then become extremely toxic in the game after towards the next killer. It's an assault spiral. A chain effect

Both sides are equally bad. But at the same time, both sides have equally good.

Not every survivor teabags and is a jerk. Not every killer is a camper and a slugger/tunneler. I've had PLENTY of games where people are extremely kind after games. Sometimes, just bringing up a complement and trying to say something good, can really help. Saying dumb crap like "Gg Ez hAhA" at the end of the game is the quickest way of having the toxicity continue.

It's easier to just try to enjoy the game for what it is. And no matter what the ending is like, try to just say GG and move on. It's easier than trying to waste energy with people who have no intention of changing their mind at the end of a match.

Maybe I just know more about this game and/or am more honest than you? I play for both sides approximately equally. Here are my stats for this game:

https://dbd.onteh.net.au/playerstats/76561198123408293

What about you?

>I was addressing your complaint about gen-rushing.

I'm not complaining. I'm just explaining reasons for this behavior in most killers. I just, as it is customary to say here sometimes *adapted* and take as much fun from the game as I can take. Hoping for this only on myself and my skill. And on my trusted teammates. If I go to play solo, I’m not surprised if 8 matches out of 10 fail (which by the way does not always happen). Because in such games, most often at least 2 teammates are completed potatoes.

Most killers are forced to play hard because this is reality of balance. Not because they are eager to ruin someone's gaming experience.

>Survivors that just do gens then leave, end up with a ######### match. Sure they escape, but they achieved almost nothing toward any measureable goal

They too, like a killer, simply do their task in any way possible. They escape and are alive and they won. It's enough. They just turned out to be too strong for this killer. Maybe this is not the best implementation of gameplay, but this is a question for devs, not for survivors or killers. They all just take whatever they can from the matches.

I'll give a few examples in hot pursuit. My last matches for killer during the event.

Sometimes matches go like this

Survivor was downed again of his own stupidity (just stayed near the same hot gen, near which it was hooked, and farm his teammate right in front of my nose, after which I sawed both), decided that he would be tunnelled and DC. Although I was even going to leave him on the ground and follow the others. Others follow him and leaved too (3 SWF here). Fully ragequit.

Sometimes like this

Higher screen. Toxic brazently SWF made clicky-clicky and generally behaved like owners, in every possible way demonstrating to me how they are not afraid of me at all. I selected 4 gens on one side and just camped them in this area. Then slug three remaining ones.

Bottom. Sweaty guys making most of every pallet. And trying to deprive me of my killer ability by not drinking. 1 hook for 3 gens. Then I just forced them to drink, because without this they would not be able to safely approach the hook and save. Then hooked next one near the red fountain. And then I used these red fountains to maximum when they try to save. You see result. When survivors abuse everything they can and try to rob me of my ability, it's okay. When I force them to play according to my rules, I am bad, I am Russian, and they wish me death from cancer. Just because I'm not playing the game the way they want. Someone was talking about double standards here, huh?

And sometimes like this

This is a full-SWF. But I downed them much faster than gens were done. So I managed to hooked everyone twice and still had enough time. I could have just killed them all, but instead just down them a few times and let them raise each other. For farm the entire category. Then I let them all go. I saw them in my next lobby. And even pulled a cake from bloodweb for them.

So if I, as a killer, got everything I needed from a match and didn't see BM (Bad Manners), as you can see, I don't mind giving them a good game. But if gens fly quickly and I see that it is difficult to catch them or if they play toxic, then I play hard. Because otherwise they will leave me with nothing. Tough guys don't need indulgences. And I'm not a medium to know in advance what each specific survivor will be like. Therefore, I usually start hard. Otherwise, later, I won't have time. Strong survivors will not forgive you even 10 extra seconds. Each counts. These are the realities of killer game. Only then, if I see that I'm doing well, I can slow down and think about someone else's fun from the match. But even in this case, I am not obliged to do this and no one has the right to demand it. Because as far as I can see, no one of survivors almost ever does me any favors.

And this is not a question of killer's skill. Potentially, every survivor could just rush killer and leave him with nothing. This does not require anything supernatural. I myself have done this many times, playing in SWF. When I'm with 3 good survivors, we destroy 80-95% of killers in one evening. And it's not even because we have voice coordination. Simply because we know how to play this game. Even playing together, but without voice chat, we will not play much worse. And most survivors can do it. The whole problem, as I said, is only that now there is a huge number of weak survivors in the game. Who constantly make the wrong decisions in matches and don't know how to hold on for a long time in chase.

And what am i supposed to do? The devs don't tell me ahead of time in the lobby that this is going to be a chill match, or that all 4 are solos and not a SWF sweat squad. Because of that, i have to assume everyone is a SWF sweat squad, or i get teabagged, clicky clicky and called racial slurs after the game. To be honest that last one happens regardless, but the point still stands.

I 100% blame this on BHVR for the event not the killers.

Here's the thing - As killer it's easier to quickly remove 2 people from the game to locate the Crown unless you get lucky and run into it. Not everyone has a lot of time to play so they need to resort to more efficient ways of making things easier. As for camping honestly more so likely the same boat but maybe some people don't like the event.

The pedestal thing is an interesting concept but honestly does anyone really like having to go into game as each character to get a specific crown? Pretty sure everyone could live without having to do that. The event should just be "Retrieve the Crown X amount of times during the event to unlock all Crowns for this side" like 5 times on each side. So you can play your perked out characters without ruining games and not worry about being weakened because of the event. Also would make it less tedious in general.

And yes I'll say it even from my bias as a killer player - Once you find the crown as survivor you should keep it even after death. There is indeed games where a killer will hard focus survivors with the golden aura. They're also much easier to find so sometimes I don't even blame the killer.

I don't know how people defend this event it will only get worse next year when there is 4 more characters on each side if they redo the same thing.

I think a lot of people are stuck on the destination rather than the journey, if that makes sense.

Many survivors deem escaping to be the most important 'win' condition.

Many killers believe that it's all about getting kills, in particular a 4K.

I happen to think there's a lot more to the game and try to play in interesting ways. Sure, I am not a great player and it's easy not to care about rank when I couldn't get to red ranks anyway, but I like the freedom of trying all kinds of fun builds with non-meta perks and doing fun stuff as killer rather than making every match an exercise of how great I am at hooking people out of matches.

It’s the same thing with solo q. They say every game of solo w is horrible but if it was truly as bad as they say it is then I must be getting swf group’s nonstop the way they pound these gens out.

I think the toxic survivors are destroying more. I'm tired of getting EZ EZ EZ you are bad after games where i dont happen to kill everyone.

Also kiddos when you type ez i hope you know you arent speaking english at that point? Its wrong learn to type.

Absolutely, and it's always stupid. I think a healthy competition is fine but unfortunately, this is how it is these days. Many feel the need to act like they are somehow superior or dominating other people in a game. Sad.

The same douchey killers are also the same douchey survivors usually.

Maybe because I don't play red ranks or maybe because I'm on console, I don't get very many 'bad behaving' survivors. I do get cranky with killers when I get killed off quickly but I can often see that it's my own fault...

I think NOT having the message window is helpful. People seem compelled to say something and maybe it's better not to have the option. The only real feedback I've gotten once on PC was someone saying like 'choke me daddy' stuff (surely as a joke?), after a match where I was playing Meyers.

There was a time when we would get messages through the playstation messaging system but that's very rare these days and it's usually just something funny rather than salt.

Maybe you all just need to play worse.

How can survivors choose to end the game for killer if they want?

I am playing Siege right now. I have been paying since Mira was added.

I remember the Clash bit specifically. She was disabled MULTIPLE times. Nearly every time that exploit came up. My friends used to joke about maining her while she was disabled. That said, while it happened multiple times, it was still fixed. Ubi was also pretty open about fixing it. Mira had the same thing where she could hold up a mirror and a gun at the same time.

The difference here, however, isn't random bugs or exploits happening in DbD. It's the CORE GAMEPLAY LOOP. To compare to Siege, it would be like if that game allowed Defenders to run out during the drone phase and shoot the attacking operators. In fact, in its early days, I think that was ACTUALLY possible, so they made it so Attackers didn't physically spawn in until the drone phase was complete. It's also why every level was given multiple LoS blocks to the attacker spawns. Even minor updates see assets added to block run outs and spawn peaks at the start of a match on certain maps with notorious issues. Most recently was Chalet, and before that Border.

DbD does none of that. To make another point of this, Siege has roughly 200-250 devs working on it. DbD has 500-600. Siege radically altered the core gameplay to improve it when the launch was a mess, and pulled that game up from the ashes into a VERY good, albeit punishing, game. BHVR DID improve the game from its early versions, but many core gameplay issues remain despite how long they've been a problem. BHVR seems perfectly fine letting problematic core gameplay design issues just sit there, creating problems. In Siege, the devs understood that having problematic run outs and spawn peaks wasn't fair to the players, so they fixed it. They also understood that leaving those problems in the game would mean that players would use them. In DbD, we still have camping and tunneling, and they've scarcely been addressed. What's worse, when the devs come up with an idea on how to fix it, they make the fix an optional perk instead of a core gameplay adjustment. Imagine if, in Siege, to avoid a run-out or spawn peak that got you killed upon your character model being spawned in, you had to swap your rifle for a shield. Rather than fix the issue, they just gave you the OPTION to sacrifice your gameplay to avoid the issue. That's what DbD does. It's wrong.

From the devs' perspective, all these issues are tolerable and don't stop people from playing the game, since everyone who experiences them keeps playing the game.

You know what I did when I found the matchmaking an issue because I kept getting survivors who were much stronger than me? I stopped playing killer altogether (instead of playing occasionally). I didn't play killer, reach high ranks, complain about the matchmaker, and then continued playing, because that just means I don't really mind the problem.

That's not relevant. The 500-600 number you quoted is all Behaviour Interactive employees, not just DbD developers. That's the only thing I said.

And we can all see the impact you had. Thanks for getting that fixed.

I play a game as long as it's fun. I take a break or leave when it's not. It's not any grand statement and you're not really impacting anything acting like you stopped to teach the devs a lesson. You didn't.

Do you take this tack with everything in your life? Something goes bad at work, quit! Kid acts up? Get rid of him! Car trouble? Sell it?

Weird.

Sure, if a game becomes unbearable I won't play it. But to think that stopping playing sends some grand message, well. Maybe I was in the WoW trenches too long.

Best I could do is not buy Cyberpunk. I am a huge fan of the genre. I have read Cyberpunk since the actual 80s. I've played Shadowrun on and off for years, bought many games. I was a kickstarter supporter of Shadowrun Returns. I could NOT wait for Cyberpunk to come out. Regretfully, I can't buy it. It's reportedly terrible and the KIND of terrible that it reportedly is is the kind of terrible I dislike. I don't, however, think I am making a discernible message to the developers. I just know I would be disappointed if I play it.