Tunnel

It's true that camping and tunnelling are very strong these last weeks, don't know why.

The current DS should be basekit, and the perk DS would improve the stun or the duration of the timer

I may be a killer main, and I hated the old DS more than anything, but now killers feel that less and less people run DS, and play around it

Man stop xD current DS isn't meta at all, it has none usefulness now, it just barely prevents tunnelling. You can't do anything that will develop the game, it is not a problem anymore, saying the opposite is nonsense

I feel I'm included by what you're saying, I'm a rank 1 Nurse since 2020, I know what I'm talking about.

There's a huge difference between these things. A killer camping and tunneling is not fun for anyone involved - the target player doesn't get to play the game and the other survivors to get to either. BHVR's solution of "just do gens and make the killer lose" is boring. I want killer interaction, I want to play the game. Camping prevents interaction and actual gameplay. It's anti-fun and is essentially 1 player taking the game hostage.

I want to be clear here: the vast majority of people are not complaining about it because they lose. It's because they don't have nay fun and they get very few points. Even if a killer facecamps the first person they hook and survivors just stick on gens, he will easily get 10k+ points minimum while that survivor likely has less than 5k. How is that at all fair? What options did that survivor have, just run the killer for longer? They have literally no options to get themselves out of the situation.

Are you seriously trying to compare your small list of things to that? Hiding is a tactic; some people just suck at running and this is their option. There are tons of abilities and perks to get around it. Even if you don't successfully find them, hiding properly usually wastes a lot of time and helps the killer - it's like the joke of self-care being a killer perk. If they are hiding they aren't doing any objectives.

Flashlight saves...just have slight awareness and look in a safe direction. They are not an issue and 100% in your power to control.

Teabagging does not affect gameplay at all. Zero effect. That's all mental and is your problem to handle.

Genrushing...sigh. I play killer plenty and I know the frustration of gens going super fast. I think small tweaks to slow down the start of the game would be nice. However, I have a very hard time sympathizing with killers complaining about survivors literally doing their primary objective. They are supposed to do gens and do them as fast as they can to escape. And don't say campers are doing that. Their primary objective is to kill people, not stand by the hook doing nothing. Either way, as a killer you have options around this - there are a lot of perks or killers abilities slow things down.

I've won plenty of games where 3 gens popped shortly after the first chase ended. I've seen many killers with 0 kills still outscore every survivor. There is literally nothing survivors can do to completely take away the ability of the killer to play the game like camping/tunneling can for the target player. Nothing. Evn your terrifying "genrush" still lets you play. You may lose and lose fast, but you still get to play, not sit there for 2 mins, lose and get no points.

And for what it's worth, I think DS basekit is laughable and a horrible idea, but wouldn't mind a small basekit BT (like 2-3s). If you're not facecamping it's not an issue. That's very easy to wait out too, but gives the poor hooked survivor at least a small chance to not simply be farmed.

Late game I can sometimes see some arguments, but if you do it early you're just a miserable person.

How do you justify literally ruining the experience for that one player? I'd argue it also does for the others since they have no killer interaction, but there's no argument against the target player.

I don't understand how the devs can see such a common thing that literally completely ruins the game experience for one person and be completely OK with that. "You played our game and someone else purposely made it an awful experience and it was 100% out of your control? Great, that's intended! Please keep playing our game for more chances to not get to play the game."

I'm not carried, I mastered her and know how to play her, it's not only point and blink for the win, and even with that, I manage survivors resources for them.

Anyway, go for the rescuer if you don't want to get DS'd. That's all. BT isn't a problem.

Agreed DS shouldn't be base kit and no perk should be base kit.

Going after good survivors at loops they can chain together or just a good structure will lead to the killer losing which is why people go after the weakest since 1 they need to go after their team mate and you can catch them in the open allowing an easier hit or even a down and 2 the hooked survivor isn't on a gen so your less likely to be gen rushed

Will Be ok only if nerf genrush too.

I didn't read all comments as I usually would before I posted but it's after 2 am, so meh posting without reading.

I feel like this is the thing the developers need to address the MOST in-game, is the "toxic/cheap tactics" that killers and survivors in the game do, however, I highly doubt developers ever do anything because I believe they enjoy the chaos of it all.

The reason why killers tunnel(T), camp(C) and slug(S) is because the game is super survivor sided and players behind the killers want to win. The player has a choice in how they play, so there at fault for it but the developers are the main ones to blame. Devs need to close the gap between survivors and killers, until they do, TCS will never go away.

Survivors have 5 gens + open an exit, the killer has 4 survivors to attack, down, hook x 3, so 9 things to do per survivor and 36 in total. 1 gen can easily be done within the time a killer can get 1 hook, it's completely unbalanced. Survivors already have 4 vs. 1, developers need to either increase what survivors have to do or decrease what the killer has to do.

Let's be real though, survivors can be toxic and use cheap tactics as well, flashlights at pallets, deliberately setting off alerts by going back n forth over pallets or other methods, t-bagging, offerings to increase the distance between hooks + sabotaging + body blocking.

There appears to be a big divide between survivor players and killer players, one side argues for their side but doesn't seem like many argue for both sides, so highly doubt it will ever be resolved.

End of the day, all these cheap ways to play I listed in the post is part of the game as the ability to do them is there, so technically there not doing anything wrong but it does lessen the fun a lot, this is a big reason why people have a love/hate relationship with DBD I think, certainly is in my case.

What I would say to killers is you are not meant to win, deal with it and have fun trying. Although personally think 2 kills is a draw, 3+ kills is a win for the killer.

What I would say to survivor players is, you already have a 4-1 advantage, do you really need to use flashlights/flashbangs to survive or t-bag, no you don't and remember there is a real person behind the killer who looking to have fun as well.

Just my opinion but I don't think this thread or my post or any post will change anything, only the devs can fix this.