Flashbangs should override Lightborn.
Flashbangs should override Lightborn. Come on man, anyone would get blinded by a FLASHBANG considering how much brighter a flashbang is compared to a flashlight.
Lightborn should only grant immunity to flashlights and firecrackers and that's it. Lightborn should only reduce the duration of blindness caused by flashbangs and blast mines.
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No.
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Yes.
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Double no.
Just because it "should be brighter" doesn't mean it should override Lightborn - perk designed to screw over blindness altogether.
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Yes it does.
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Well here we go, now that iron will overrides stridor survivors are going to try and nickel and dime every killer perk in existence to be overridden by survivor perks
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Lightborn shouldn't be necessary for killers to be immune to flashlights. Like, come on man, have you ever actually had a flashlight shone in your face? It doesn't really blind you for several seconds, it just strains your eyes a little bit.
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The "beasts of the fog" are supposed to be weak to light. Read the perks description.
I'm fine with it granting immunity to flashlights but it shouldn't with flashbangs. A flashbang in real life WILL blind you.
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Cool let me see what it says. "You are immune to Blindness caused by Flashlights, firecrackers, flashbangs, and blast mines." Oh.
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Looks like you didn't read the whole thing. At the beginning it clearly says "Unlike other beasts of The Fog, you have adapted to light."
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No. Look, I love using the flash bang, it's super fun, but if the killer is using Lightborn then he used one of his valuable four perk slots to deal with blinds, something most players will tell you to "just face a wall, duh" to counter. Most people consider it a waste of a perk slot. Lightborn does not need to be weakened.
And Blast Mine may not blind the killer, but it still stuns them.
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Nah, flashbangs should override Lightborn.
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I just focused read the most important part, the part that says flashbangs aren't an exception. It's arbitrary in-game logic. How a flashbang works in the real world is irrelevant because it's not a real-world flashbang, it's a construct created by the Entity.
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Lightborn prevents the killer from being blinded. Flashbangs blind the killer.
There's reason to create an arbitrary exception here. The perk is working as intended.
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Lightborn is bad enough and situational as it is, so you got to love the idea of making an already niche perk fit an even smaller number of situations.
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Honestly, I feel like Lightborn needs to have some sort of baseline implementation. Like being blinded making you immune to further blinds for X seconds.
While I do agree that Lightborn needs no nerf, Flashbang is an F-tier perk and needs some kind of love. I do also agree that overruling Lightborn is not the way to go.
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Lightborn just shouldn't be a perk
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... why?
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Dont personally use flashbang, but Stridor directly counters Iron Will. Change that if you wanna complain about direct counters like Flashbang and Lightborn.
What needs to happen is that you cant AVOID flashbang UNLESS you use Lightborn. But, it shouldn't counter the perk completely because being blinded by a flashbang is only 1/3rd of the effects of it. You have concussion and hearing loss associated with it if you wanna be technical on how an actual flashbang works.
Source: Ive been pranked with a flashbang....
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People who have a problem with lightborn are virtually guaranteed to be the people who only run around doing blinds for saves so they get mad when it wont work.
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I'm gonna take a wild guess and assume you go out of your way and only go for flashlight/ flashbang saves. Vast majority of players don't care about lightborn and some even forget it exists because there are better perks by a long shot. The only ones who care are people like that, people who this perk is the only hard counter to but its a super niche perk so usually it doesn't matter.
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And leave flashbangs without counter? One thing. If you have the flashbang perk the killer won’t know and won’t use Lightborn. Normally, lightborn is used when there’s a lobby with 2 or more flashlights. It’s always a surprise a flashbang. No need to change anything
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Nah, I’m a survivor main and even I have to disagree with this one. Lightborn is not even meta, let alone popular. If a killer rocks that perk and gets value from it, respect. Well played.
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As a player of both survivors and killers, I absolutely agree with the flashbang override and heres why
Flashbangs are supposed to be short burst high brightness AND excessively loud (it's not all about the flash)
They are supposed to disorient the senses, not just your eyesight. The flash would be brighter than a torch by a considerable amount so even if not blinded completely it should still cause an impact (possibly make it harder to track a survivors markings) but it should also eliminate the ability to hear footsteps/running/rushed actions for a couple of seconds. There is also the added factor that flashbangs affect a persons balance so for the short time they actually work, it shouldn't matter if a killer is actually facing it, it should work to some effect by just being too close to it.
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Well they probably took the inspiration from the recent change to stridor like someone already mentioned.
Stridor was already a niche perk mostly used by only one killer but now with the buff.l to the already meta "iron will" it is truly dead and anyone using that perk has only themselves to blame of the survivor run iw and completely gut the perk.
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I love to run Lightborn on all my killer. It doesn't really help me most of the time but getting flashlightclicker/tbagger while they stand around trying to blind is one of the most satisfying things in this game, more so when they are injured and do the backflip XD
Followed by getting blinded as plague by an already broken survivor across a pallet while having corrupt purge (the red, damaging one) and simply blind puke at them.
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Pls don't try to argument with real life Logic in a video game where humans survive getting sliced by a chainsaw and can get back up with a back massage
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On PTB Iron Will directly counters Stridor.
But that's a good point - if deafened "status effect" (how is this still not a status effect c'mon) isn't applied currently when someone is using Lightborn, then it honestly still should!.... However spaghetti coding is probably preventing that.
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So using your logic you should fall when I hit you with the killers weapon and not get a sprint burst😏
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I think hitting you with my blade in game should override your sprint burst😂 because in real life you aren't running far
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uhh no
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I think the hearing loss thing is applied. I always run Lightborn and I've lost hearing for a moment when a flash bang goes off.
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Oh that's neat then.
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Good job devs now that iron will completely nullifies a killer perk stridor survivors will want perks to be better if not completely override killer perks.
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Not wrong about that. At least strider could make an already amazing killer even better. Lightborn doesnt do anything that amazing.
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Who cares what a flashbang does 'in real life'?
'In Real Life' there's no eldritch beast pulling people into another realm to kill them repeatedly & feed on their hope. Does that mean DBD needs to be deleted, since it's not following 'real life'?
Also 'in real life', if you take chainsaw to the torso; someone patting you on the back will not make you feel better. Same goes for ANY Killer weapon.
Also 'in real life', if you take a meathook to the shoulder, I'm pretty sure you're seriously wounded, and not walking around hunky-dory after someone pulls you off of it.
So 'real life' is not an excuse to make another Survivor perk out-perform a Killer perk, sorry.
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Back in the day I preferred Lightborn before the most recent change. Took most Survivors longer to figure out what was up before they drained their batteries. infectious fright is way more fun though anyway
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