This has to change.

@Ryuhi said:

@yeet said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@yeet said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.

The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.

A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.

If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors

no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escape

You seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.

And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".

Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.

BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.

Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:

"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"

And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@yeet said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.

The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.

A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.

If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors

no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escape

You seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.

And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".

Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.

BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.

Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:

"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"

And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.

you
do
not
deserve
a
free
borrowed
time
just
for
existing

you wouldn't get one unless very specific conditions are met, so I'm honestly questioning your ability to process logic at this point.

you don't deserve it PERIOD
no matter the conditions

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@yeet said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@yeet said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.

The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.

A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.

If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors

no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escape

You seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.

And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".

Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.

BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.

Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:

"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"

And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@yeet said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.

The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.

A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.

If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors

no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escape

You seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.

And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".

Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.

BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.

Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:

"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"

And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.

you
do
not
deserve
a
free
borrowed
time
just
for
existing

you wouldn't get one unless very specific conditions are met, so I'm honestly questioning your ability to process logic at this point.

Are you kidding me?
Free extra buffs just because?
Two powerful effects just because you think it is a good idea and you call that "logic"???

You're purposely omitting information to try to disparage an opposing viewpoint. stop being so hyperbolic.

The ironic thing is that I'm usually an advocate for making killers better, especially the vast majority of them that are not viable. The backlash at any suggestions that don't fit a person's personal preferences are staggering though.

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Ryuhi said:

@yeet said:

@Ryuhi said:

@Peanits said:
It's like that because you are not going to get away anyway. Even if you did theoretically get the 4% or you deliveranced off the hook, the killer could just as easily stand right there and down you again. There is no way to get endurance by unhooking yourself so you're basically as good as dead.

The way it currently it just speeds up the process. You don't have to wait for the survivor to attempt an escape, get immediately downed and then rehooked. It just ends the game so everyone can move on to the next one.

A change of approach that may or may not be a hot take: If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time? Would make it a more impactful and less hopeless scenario, while still being fair to the "unbroken" last survivors.

If nothing that extreme, then at least some kind of bloodpoint bonus, similar to how killers get one for ragequitting survivors

no
more
second
chances
you were downed and hooked with noone else to save you, you lost, you don't need a free BT/adren because you feel entitled to an escape

You seem to have completely missed the context of the discussion, so let me repeat it for you: the issue is with the last survivor not getting any chance at either Deliverance or a 4% self unhook. If you get to that point and your first hook is the last hook in the match, chances are you were not the worst player on the team. And if you were? This suggestion would mean literally nothing except more free BP for the killer. The suggestion offered is one that would hardly guarantee a free escape, but would add a bit more to the match. The survivor gets a chance to stuggle a bit more, the killer gets even more bloodpoint chances (which should be super easy, at this point, tb) so its really a win/win.

And what would it change?
It would only waste time.
Because the killer has nothing to do but stand there and wait for your try to unhook and hit you as soon as you hit the ground.
Let's just skip this nonsense and just give them a bloodpoitn scoreevent, like +500BP for "last man standing".

Which is why the borrowed time and or adrenaline were mentioned: it would give the survivor a running start, which could lead to a chance to defend themselves. The only way this wouldn't be a BP buff for the killer is if they were afraid of actually having to play the game a little bit more. If this is the first time the person was hooked, you've already lost out on a good amount of sacrifice points as it is.

BT does not trigger if you unhook yourself.
Adrenaline is a very small situational chance that it could trigger.
And you already got extra handholding from the Devs: Invulnerability until you landed, free exhaustion relief, new perks to buff self unhooks.
What more are you asking for??
At some point this becomes insane.

Did you read my suggestion, or just the killer complaining about it? let me repeat it real quick:

"If a survivor is the last one and pulls off a self unhook, they get borrowed time and or adrenaline following the unhook? Maybe the kobe gets both, and deliverance only gets the borrowed time?"

And in case you also purposely ignored the rest of the scenario, this is specifically about last man standing situations where either the player never got to activate a selected perk (Deliverance,) or never got to even attempt to unhook themselves after going the entire match literally Unbroken. It also gives the killer a chance to get more BP in multiple categories, and would be an incredibly uphill battle for a survivor to even be able to do anything with.

lol
Yea, I actually did not read this.^^
And it would had been better if you not mention that again. XD
You ask for such an insane strong buff that it is beyond hilarious.
Stop asking for more safety nets and 2nd chances.
Survivor already have more than enough.

So in other words, you'd rather make absolutely sure you get the 4k as easy as possible, without having to put in a small amount of extra work to get a lot more bloodpoints? Its no wonder all you ever do on this forum is complain about survivors.

Here we go again… the usual strawman of "easy 4K".
If arguments run out, it is the killer asking for an "easy 4K".
(And don't forget to spice it up with a little personal attack of "your biased!")

How about you "process logic" now?
The killer already did everything! The killer already killed 3 and hooked the last.
No need to put some "extra work" into it.

Now you're just misreading on purpose. I never said 4Ks are easy, just that this exact scenario would make SECURING your 4K Easier. You already have the 4k at the moment this scenario has happened: the last survivor has been placed on the hook. This is saying they giving them a chance to make their first hook not be their last hook. Its also saying the killer can actually cap out sacrifice points, since a good chunk of them come from actually placing survivors on the hook. The only difference is that the killer would have to work slightly harder to be able to secure the last kill, possibly. You know, assuming the survivor even pulls off the 4% self unhook, or is running a perk that would have literally otherwise done nothing.

I don't need to make my 4K "easier" in that scenario. I already HAVE it!
You just want another safety net to rob the killer of his ALREADY gained 4th K.

And 4% is wrong, because it is 3x4% and the survivor can run perks/offerings to increase that to up to 100%.
So just NO!

It's 11.5%.

@Incarnate said:
Personally, I've always thought the hook mechanic were bad, especially because they're based on RNG rather than skill, I for one would like to see the hook mechanics change to something more skill based, and something that doesn't break our space bar or other button due to having to keep mashing it.

Firstly the 3 times hook mechanic I think is bad, simply due to the fact that you can be re-hooked quite fast, and thus can be eliminated from the game quite fast, all due to other survivors/victims not caring about if they make a safe save.

Secondly, having to keep mashing your spacebar or other button, also quite bad and boring, and it wears on your control device unnecessarily.

Thirdly, your chances of getting of the hook being completely based on RNG is very bad - RNG is always bad for gameplay if use improperly, like in this game with the hooks or bear traps.

I understand what you are suggesting, how would you balance the skill part?
With a incredible hard skill check? like in hex ruin?
In the lower ranks this might work, but as soon the players get accustom to the skillcheck, everyone gets off the hook without any outside help. It don't matter how difficult you will make it, if it is skillbased, there will be a point, where the majority of the playerbase will easily be able to jump the hook with no help.
RNG is the only way to provide a "fair" solution for all players. And to be honest, only in the rarest cases a selfunhook will lead to an escape.