Party system is ruining the game
I'm not sure if this is just in here EA server but
you can literally find party queued players in almost every single game, way much more than solo players.
The problem is, it is totally ruining the game.
The killer player's gaming experience, the balance and most importantly it is making new players quit
I don't get the idea of party system. As you guys know you can't communicate with other survivors in the game. All you can do is just pointing and waving. You can't chat or ping or anything.
Because once survivors starts communicating and sharing the informations. The whole concept of the game will go down like hell, Devs knew it and that's why didn't put chat or ping systems in the game! Then why did they put this stupid party system in the first place?
Most of party players use voice chat system as you know and they can literally share every important and essential informations that can totally F this game, totems location, killers current location, how many pallets left in which area, perks killers are using, if the killer is camping or not, if the gen is done yet. Those are the informations that can totally rule the game with. And they are sharing em all with each other by using voice chat. It's basically a hack
If the survivors and killer got the same skill levels
There's no chance that killer can actually do anything. The whole game just turns into bully the killer. If you want to say "I've killed lots party players blah blah" then it's cus they were extremely bad.
Yea i know, i can just break the game at the lobby after checking their profile. But it takes effort to check them all and break the room and wait for another survivors to come in, and since there's more party playere than solo players, you have to break the room at least 4 times before you start!
At least in EA server that's how it works.
I am here to play DBD not Paper, please
And i see lots of newbies complaining about how they got f***ked by party players with red rank players and they just want to quit and get the refund, which is totally understandable.
If you devs are just gonna let this things happen and lay their back and do nothing about it we will lose more new players and it will also ruin the game for the old players since there's no new players wants to start the game.
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It gives the impression that devs dont really give a ######### about the killers. Theyre just toys to survivors play with. Its disgusting.3
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the thing is, you can't play as survivor without killers Lol
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Always funny seeing the pics where new killers are upset that some swf sneaked in red ranks so they can loop the guy for 5 gens and bully him while the rest do gens.
Wheres the fun in even playing like that?0 -
@The_Crusader said:
Always funny seeing the pics where new killers are upset that some swf sneaked in red ranks so they can loop the guy for 5 gens and bully him while the rest do gens.Wheres the fun in even playing like that?
I mean, even if you are a good killer it is almost impossible to win against party survivors anyway lol
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Yes remove the majority of the playerbase from the game, then when they all leave you won't have a game anymore to complain about. While we're at it take out playing with your friends in every online game I'm sure those companies will all manage to do quite well.
@The_Crusader said:
Always funny seeing the pics where new killers are upset that some swf sneaked in red ranks so they can loop the guy for 5 gens and bully him while the rest do gens.Wheres the fun in even playing like that?
Yes because everyone is a red rank that joins just to bully the killer and loop them for 5 gens nonsense again. If you're getting looped for 5 gens that's your fault for being looped for 5 gens instead of going after someone else.
There's a saying that Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results as in if you're getting looped that long that's insanity in action.
That's like posting complete nonsense that's a complete fallacy that you know isn't true all in the hope it makes your argument look better.
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@powerbats said:
Yes remove the majority of the playerbase from the game, then when they all leave you won't have a game anymore to complain about. While we're at it take out playing with your friends in every online game I'm sure those companies will all manage to do quite well.
@The_Crusader said:
Always funny seeing the pics where new killers are upset that some swf sneaked in red ranks so they can loop the guy for 5 gens and bully him while the rest do gens.Wheres the fun in even playing like that?
Yes because everyone is a red rank that joins just to bully the killer and loop them for 5 gens nonsense again. If you're getting looped for 5 gens that's your fault for being looped for 5 gens instead of going after someone else.
Dude, new killers ain't gonna know everything they need in order to combat a SWF squad. That mentality of yours' only valid when used against experienced players, not beginners.
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@powerbats said:
Yes remove the majority of the playerbase from the game, then when they all leave you won't have a game anymore to complain about. While we're at it take out playing with your friends in every online game I'm sure those companies will all manage to do quite well.
@The_Crusader said:
Always funny seeing the pics where new killers are upset that some swf sneaked in red ranks so they can loop the guy for 5 gens and bully him while the rest do gens.Wheres the fun in even playing like that?
Yes because everyone is a red rank that joins just to bully the killer and loop them for 5 gens nonsense again. If you're getting looped for 5 gens that's your fault for being looped for 5 gens instead of going after someone else.
There's a saying that Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results as in if you're getting looped that long that's insanity in action.
That's like posting complete nonsense that's a complete fallacy that you know isn't true all in the hope it makes your argument look better.
So you are saying let it just leave here tho it's basically a cheating and it ruins other ppl's gaming experience just cus lots ppl plays as party? lol. that's just dumb. Why don't you just allow blood point save hack too? since lots ppl who got banned cus of it will return to the game once they do?
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@se05239 said:
Dude, new killers ain't gonna know everything they need in order to combat a SWF squad. That mentality of yours' only valid when used against experienced players, not beginners.
So how is that any different from any other online game then, everyone new doesn't know how to play so they learn. They ask questions or they ask their friends that play or they check the wiki/Reddit or they just ask Google.
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@Eul said:
So you are saying let it just leave here tho it's basically a cheating and it ruins other ppl's gaming experience just cus lots ppl plays as party? lol. that's just dumb. Why don't you just allow blood point save hack too? since lots ppl who got banned cus of it will return to the game once they do?
You do realize how foolish both of those arguments are right because those are completely illogical and nonsensical.
You run a business that caters to a large amount of people but most of your people like to buy a certain product. You in your infinite wisdom decide that that's not what you're going to carry anymore because you don't like their choice.
So you stop carrying it and you suddenly lose the majority of your customers and then your business goes under all because you stopped carrying what your customers like.
Now the whole it's cheating nonse, it's not cheating despite what you claim, that's your pinion and your opinion only. Which by the way means it's just your opinion and thus doesn't make it a fact, what is a fact is that the devs have said it's not cheating.
Now blood point hack was modifying the actual game files which is of course a hack aka cheating, you know similar to speed hacks, multi hacks etc. Those are actually defined as cheating and thus are against the rules you know like the TOS/EULA.
From the TOS these are things that're against the rules.
Modify any part of the BHVR Services that BHVR does not specifically authorize you to modify. Aka cheating/hacking
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There can be no arguments, party system is broken and it is toxic for the game in long term.
you have to see the big picture not the temporary profits company can get from party system.
Just think about why devs didnt put chats and pings on the game for survivors? cus they knew it it's ridiculous!
They can literally share every information on discord or any voice chat program from the location of totem to killers current location. and so much more. if it's not a cheating, then what is? it's basically a map hack, oh well it's actually worse than that cus they share so much more than just the location. lol even the number of pallets in the loop area(which is really important for the game for survivors and killer both)Devs are letting it cus they can't ban the voice chat program not because it is fine.
Lol. if you think party system is fine and balanced then you must have no idea how this game works lolYour kind of mindset is what kills the game. look at the EA and so many other Game company.
They only chase temporary money and users and end up ruining the game and get all the bad reputation
you have to see the bigger picture dude. if you remove the Party system, yea lots ppl are gonna leave. but in a long term, much more will start and join the game! once they starts fixing the game and actually try to make game better.2 -
@The_Crusader said:
Always funny seeing the pics where new killers are upset that some swf sneaked in red ranks so they can loop the guy for 5 gens and bully him while the rest do gens.Wheres the fun in even playing like that?
Some people enjoy making others feel bad /bullying.
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This is why I like Leatherface. If they want to play bullying then we can play bullying 😉Master said:@The_Crusader said:
Always funny seeing the pics where new killers are upset that some swf sneaked in red ranks so they can loop the guy for 5 gens and bully him while the rest do gens.Wheres the fun in even playing like that?
Some people enjoy making others feel bad /bullying.
It makes me laugh when I see someone with toxic in their name come at me with a nea or claudette, click the flashlight, teabag, then when I set up camp they rage quit and throw salt after the game.
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@Eul said:
There can be no arguments, party system is broken and it is toxic for the game in long term.
you have to see the big picture not the temporary profits company can get from party system.
Just think about why devs didnt put chats and pings on the game for survivors? cus they knew it it's ridiculous!
They can literally share every information on discord or any voice chat program from the location of totem to killers current location. and so much more. if it's not a cheating, then what is? it's basically a map hack, oh well it's actually worse than that cus they share so much more than just the location. lol even the number of pallets in the loop area(which is really important for the game for survivors and killer both)Devs are letting it cus they can't ban the voice chat program not because it is fine.
Lol. if you think party system is fine and balanced then you must have no idea how this game works lolYour kind of mindset is what kills the game. look at the EA and so many other Game company.
They only chase temporary money and users and end up ruining the game and get all the bad reputation
you have to see the bigger picture dude. if you remove the Party system, yea lots ppl are gonna leave. but in a long term, much more will start and join the game! once they starts fixing the game and actually try to make game better.You obviously have no clue what you're talking about the fact that you think removing SWf won't kill the game means you have no clue. Since even the some of the more vocal ant swf have acknowledged that without swf the game would quickly die.
As for voice the devs have no control over it and people can simply invite on console to a voice chat even in a solo lobby.
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@powerbats said:
@Eul said:
So you are saying let it just leave here tho it's basically a cheating and it ruins other ppl's gaming experience just cus lots ppl plays as party? lol. that's just dumb. Why don't you just allow blood point save hack too? since lots ppl who got banned cus of it will return to the game once they do?
You do realize how foolish both of those arguments are right because those are completely illogical and nonsensical.
You run a business that caters to a large amount of people but most of your people like to buy a certain product. You in your infinite wisdom decide that that's not what you're going to carry anymore because you don't like their choice.
So you stop carrying it and you suddenly lose the majority of your customers and then your business goes under all because you stopped carrying what your customers like.
Now the whole it's cheating nonse, it's not cheating despite what you claim, that's your pinion and your opinion only. Which by the way means it's just your opinion and thus doesn't make it a fact, what is a fact is that the devs have said it's not cheating.
Now blood point hack was modifying the actual game files which is of course a hack aka cheating, you know similar to speed hacks, multi hacks etc. Those are actually defined as cheating and thus are against the rules you know like the TOS/EULA.
From the TOS these are things that're against the rules.
Modify any part of the BHVR Services that BHVR does not specifically authorize you to modify. Aka cheating/hacking
Maybe you should think about why devs didnt put communicating system such as chat or ping in the game in the first place. cus it will ruin the whole concept of the game! you think sharing those information is fair? like killer's current location, totem's location, Progress of gens, number of pallets in loop area and every other stuff? that's game breaking, if you don't think that's a cheating and breaking the game well them, you probably have no idea how this game works lol. ppl like you are the one who ruins the game, can't see things in long term, you'd rather leave the game broken and unbalanced to keep ppl for now and get more money, what about fix the game, then sure, lots of ppl will leave, but lots more will join and buy the game in the future. think about how many Game company got their bad reputation thinking and running the game with your kind of mindset. it may seems ok for now, but it will kill this game for sure.
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@powerbats said:
@Eul said:
So you are saying let it just leave here tho it's basically a cheating and it ruins other ppl's gaming experience just cus lots ppl plays as party? lol. that's just dumb. Why don't you just allow blood point save hack too? since lots ppl who got banned cus of it will return to the game once they do?
You do realize how foolish both of those arguments are right because those are completely illogical and nonsensical.
You run a business that caters to a large amount of people but most of your people like to buy a certain product. You in your infinite wisdom decide that that's not what you're going to carry anymore because you don't like their choice.
So you stop carrying it and you suddenly lose the majority of your customers and then your business goes under all because you stopped carrying what your customers like.
Now the whole it's cheating nonse, it's not cheating despite what you claim, that's your pinion and your opinion only. Which by the way means it's just your opinion and thus doesn't make it a fact, what is a fact is that the devs have said it's not cheating.
Now blood point hack was modifying the actual game files which is of course a hack aka cheating, you know similar to speed hacks, multi hacks etc. Those are actually defined as cheating and thus are against the rules you know like the TOS/EULA.
From the TOS these are things that're against the rules.
Modify any part of the BHVR Services that BHVR does not specifically authorize you to modify. Aka cheating/hacking
Yet you can't say anything about how swf is unfair and broken. Lol cus what i said is true.
It is ruining other players experience and making ppl harder to join this game.If this game only can exist with broken balance and the system. Maybe it should be just die tbh.
Lol.You can find how many new players experienced unpleasant and unfair game cus of swf smurf players and telling ppl not to buy this game. I'm serious, you can literally find it any forum and reviews lol.
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You do know that there are other options than complete removal, right?powerbats said:@Eul said:
There can be no arguments, party system is broken and it is toxic for the game in long term.
you have to see the big picture not the temporary profits company can get from party system.
Just think about why devs didnt put chats and pings on the game for survivors? cus they knew it it's ridiculous!
They can literally share every information on discord or any voice chat program from the location of totem to killers current location. and so much more. if it's not a cheating, then what is? it's basically a map hack, oh well it's actually worse than that cus they share so much more than just the location. lol even the number of pallets in the loop area(which is really important for the game for survivors and killer both)Devs are letting it cus they can't ban the voice chat program not because it is fine.
Lol. if you think party system is fine and balanced then you must have no idea how this game works lolYour kind of mindset is what kills the game. look at the EA and so many other Game company.
They only chase temporary money and users and end up ruining the game and get all the bad reputation
you have to see the bigger picture dude. if you remove the Party system, yea lots ppl are gonna leave. but in a long term, much more will start and join the game! once they starts fixing the game and actually try to make game better.You obviously have no clue what you're talking about the fact that you think removing SWf won't kill the game means you have no clue. Since even the some of the more vocal ant swf have acknowledged that without swf the game would quickly die.
As for voice the devs have no control over it and people can simply invite on console to a voice chat even in a solo lobby.
People are just tired of being harassed and abused by your kind.0 -
Yet you can't say anything about how Swf is broken and unfair. Cus all i said about swf was true.Eul said:@powerbats said:
@Eul said:
So you are saying let it just leave here tho it's basically a cheating and it ruins other ppl's gaming experience just cus lots ppl plays as party? lol. that's just dumb. Why don't you just allow blood point save hack too? since lots ppl who got banned cus of it will return to the game once they do?
You do realize how foolish both of those arguments are right because those are completely illogical and nonsensical.
You run a business that caters to a large amount of people but most of your people like to buy a certain product. You in your infinite wisdom decide that that's not what you're going to carry anymore because you don't like their choice.
So you stop carrying it and you suddenly lose the majority of your customers and then your business goes under all because you stopped carrying what your customers like.
Now the whole it's cheating nonse, it's not cheating despite what you claim, that's your pinion and your opinion only. Which by the way means it's just your opinion and thus doesn't make it a fact, what is a fact is that the devs have said it's not cheating.
Now blood point hack was modifying the actual game files which is of course a hack aka cheating, you know similar to speed hacks, multi hacks etc. Those are actually defined as cheating and thus are against the rules you know like the TOS/EULA.
From the TOS these are things that're against the rules.
Modify any part of the BHVR Services that BHVR does not specifically authorize you to modify. Aka cheating/hacking
Maybe you should think about why devs didnt put communicating system such as chat or ping in the game in the first place. cus it will ruin the whole concept of the game! you think sharing those information is fair? like killer's current location, totem's location, Progress of gens, number of pallets in loop area and every other stuff? that's game breaking, if you don't think that's a cheating and breaking the game well them, you probably have no idea how this game works lol. ppl like you are the one who ruins the game, can't see things in long term, you'd rather leave the game broken and unbalanced to keep ppl for now and get more money, what about fix the game, then sure, lots of ppl will leave, but lots more will join and buy the game in the future. think about how many Game company got their bad reputation thinking and running the game with your kind of mindset. it may seems ok for now, but it will kill this game for sure.
It's unfair, ridiculous and ruining other players gaming experience.
Cus like i said it's basically a map hack that tell you every essential informations you need to know for survivors lol.
And who said removing swf will kill the game? Some of them, yes they will quit but majority will be still playing this game facing the fact that swf is gone.
Cus it was something that should be removed long ago.
And there's so many facts and evidence that swf is making ppl quit and leaving bad memories and experiences for new players. You can literally look it up on any other DBD forum, website and reviews how new players who wanted to play killer had bad experiences from getting bullied by swf smurfs and telling ppl you shouldn't buy the game
And if this game only works and can exist with broken balance and system. Maybe this game is just designed in a wrong way in the first god damn place so stop saying removing Swf will kill the game.3 -
Yet you can't say anything about how Swf is broken and unfair. Cus all i said about swf was true.Eul said:@powerbats said:
@Eul said:
So you are saying let it just leave here tho it's basically a cheating and it ruins other ppl's gaming experience just cus lots ppl plays as party? lol. that's just dumb. Why don't you just allow blood point save hack too? since lots ppl who got banned cus of it will return to the game once they do?
You do realize how foolish both of those arguments are right because those are completely illogical and nonsensical.
You run a business that caters to a large amount of people but most of your people like to buy a certain product. You in your infinite wisdom decide that that's not what you're going to carry anymore because you don't like their choice.
So you stop carrying it and you suddenly lose the majority of your customers and then your business goes under all because you stopped carrying what your customers like.
Now the whole it's cheating nonse, it's not cheating despite what you claim, that's your pinion and your opinion only. Which by the way means it's just your opinion and thus doesn't make it a fact, what is a fact is that the devs have said it's not cheating.
Now blood point hack was modifying the actual game files which is of course a hack aka cheating, you know similar to speed hacks, multi hacks etc. Those are actually defined as cheating and thus are against the rules you know like the TOS/EULA.
From the TOS these are things that're against the rules.
Modify any part of the BHVR Services that BHVR does not specifically authorize you to modify. Aka cheating/hacking
Maybe you should think about why devs didnt put communicating system such as chat or ping in the game in the first place. cus it will ruin the whole concept of the game! you think sharing those information is fair? like killer's current location, totem's location, Progress of gens, number of pallets in loop area and every other stuff? that's game breaking, if you don't think that's a cheating and breaking the game well them, you probably have no idea how this game works lol. ppl like you are the one who ruins the game, can't see things in long term, you'd rather leave the game broken and unbalanced to keep ppl for now and get more money, what about fix the game, then sure, lots of ppl will leave, but lots more will join and buy the game in the future. think about how many Game company got their bad reputation thinking and running the game with your kind of mindset. it may seems ok for now, but it will kill this game for sure.
It's unfair, ridiculous and ruining other players gaming experience.
Cus like i said it's basically a map hack that tell you every essential informations you need to know for survivors lol.
And who said removing swf will kill the game? Some of them, yes they will quit but majority will be still playing this game facing the fact that swf is gone.
Cus it was something that should be removed long ago.
And there's so many facts and evidence that swf is making ppl quit and leaving bad memories and experiences for new players. You can literally look it up on any other DBD forum, website and reviews how new players who wanted to play killer had bad experiences from getting bullied by swf smurfs and telling ppl you shouldn't buy the game
And if this game only works and can exist with broken balance and system. Maybe this game is better be1 -
Eul said:
@powerbats said:
@Eul said:
So you are saying let it just leave here tho it's basically a cheating and it ruins other ppl's gaming experience just cus lots ppl plays as party? lol. that's just dumb. Why don't you just allow blood point save hack too? since lots ppl who got banned cus of it will return to the game once they do?
You do realize how foolish both of those arguments are right because those are completely illogical and nonsensical.
You run a business that caters to a large amount of people but most of your people like to buy a certain product. You in your infinite wisdom decide that that's not what you're going to carry anymore because you don't like their choice.
So you stop carrying it and you suddenly lose the majority of your customers and then your business goes under all because you stopped carrying what your customers like.
Now the whole it's cheating nonse, it's not cheating despite what you claim, that's your pinion and your opinion only. Which by the way means it's just your opinion and thus doesn't make it a fact, what is a fact is that the devs have said it's not cheating.
Now blood point hack was modifying the actual game files which is of course a hack aka cheating, you know similar to speed hacks, multi hacks etc. Those are actually defined as cheating and thus are against the rules you know like the TOS/EULA.
From the TOS these are things that're against the rules.
Modify any part of the BHVR Services that BHVR does not specifically authorize you to modify. Aka cheating/hacking
Maybe you should think about why devs didnt put communicating system such as chat or ping in the game in the first place. cus it will ruin the whole concept of the game! you think sharing those information is fair? like killer's current location, totem's location, Progress of gens, number of pallets in loop area and every other stuff? that's game breaking, if you don't think that's a cheating and breaking the game well them, you probably have no idea how this game works lol. ppl like you are the one who ruins the game, can't see things in long term, you'd rather leave the game broken and unbalanced to keep ppl for now and get more money, what about fix the game, then sure, lots of ppl will leave, but lots more will join and buy the game in the future. think about how many Game company got their bad reputation thinking and running the game with your kind of mindset. it may seems ok for now, but it will kill this game for
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Yet you can't say anything about how Swf is broken and unfair. Cus all i said about swf was true.Eul said:@powerbats said:
@Eul said:
So you are saying let it just leave here tho it's basically a cheating and it ruins other ppl's gaming experience just cus lots ppl plays as party? lol. that's just dumb. Why don't you just allow blood point save hack too? since lots ppl who got banned cus of it will return to the game once they do?
You do realize how foolish both of those arguments are right because those are completely illogical and nonsensical.
You run a business that caters to a large amount of people but most of your people like to buy a certain product. You in your infinite wisdom decide that that's not what you're going to carry anymore because you don't like their choice.
So you stop carrying it and you suddenly lose the majority of your customers and then your business goes under all because you stopped carrying what your customers like.
Now the whole it's cheating nonse, it's not cheating despite what you claim, that's your pinion and your opinion only. Which by the way means it's just your opinion and thus doesn't make it a fact, what is a fact is that the devs have said it's not cheating.
Now blood point hack was modifying the actual game files which is of course a hack aka cheating, you know similar to speed hacks, multi hacks etc. Those are actually defined as cheating and thus are against the rules you know like the TOS/EULA.
From the TOS these are things that're against the rules.
Modify any part of the BHVR Services that BHVR does not specifically authorize you to modify. Aka cheating/hacking
Maybe you should think about why devs didnt put communicating system such as chat or ping in the game in the first place. cus it will ruin the whole concept of the game! you think sharing those information is fair? like killer's current location, totem's location, Progress of gens, number of pallets in loop area and every other stuff? that's game breaking, if you don't think that's a cheating and breaking the game well them, you probably have no idea how this game works lol. ppl like you are the one who ruins the game, can't see things in long term, you'd rather leave the game broken and unbalanced to keep ppl for now and get more money, what about fix the game, then sure, lots of ppl will leave, but lots more will join and buy the game in the future. think about how many Game company got their bad reputation thinking and running the game with your kind of mindset. it may seems ok for now, but it will kill this game for sure.
It's unfair, ridiculous and ruining other players gaming experience.
Cus like i said it's basically a map hack that tell you every essential informations you need to know for survivors lol.
And who said removing swf will kill the game? Some of them, yes they will quit but majority will be still playing this game facing the fact that swf is gone.
Cus it was something that should be removed long ago.
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Spamming the same thing over and over again and giving yourself awesomes or your pet accounts doing it doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
SWF isn't broken and it's not as unfair as you make it out to be and in fact most are easy to beat because of how altruistic they are,.Also no removing swf will not make those pppl stay despite all of your illusionary false thinking.
Why don't you go take a business class and then try and remove most of your customer base that supports you and then see how well you do. Your teacher will give you a F immediately and tell you don't ever try and run a business.
If you're so positive that your idea will work then put your money where your mouth is and promise to pay the difference in lost revenue you and all the rest that think like you.
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@powerbats posts resumed in one line:powerbats said:Spamming the same thing over and over again and giving yourself awesomes or your pet accounts doing it doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
SWF isn't broken and it's not as unfair as you make it out to be and in fact most are easy to beat because of how altruistic they are,.Also no removing swf will not make those pppl stay despite all of your illusionary false thinking.
Why don't you go take a business class and then try and remove most of your customer base that supports you and then see how well you do. Your teacher will give you a F immediately and tell you don't ever try and run a business.
If you're so positive that your idea will work then put your money where your mouth is and promise to pay the difference in lost revenue you and all the rest that think like you.
"Waaah, waaah, dont take my only way to win."
I agree that SWF should NOT be removed from the game, but killers need a way to have a fair game. Implementing unranked mode would be a great solution. Ranked for solo, unranked for SWF.3 -
If you do not agree on swf is broken then you must be really bad at this game. Every high ranked players agrees on this because they know how this game works and the mechanisms and stuff. Not like you.powerbats said:Spamming the same thing over and over again and giving yourself awesomes or your pet accounts doing it doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
SWF isn't broken and it's not as unfair as you make it out to be and in fact most are easy to beat because of how altruistic they are,.Also no removing swf will not make those pppl stay despite all of your illusionary false thinking.
Why don't you go take a business class and then try and remove most of your customer base that supports you and then see how well you do. Your teacher will give you a F immediately and tell you don't ever try and run a business.
If you're so positive that your idea will work then put your money where your mouth is and promise to pay the difference in lost revenue you and all the rest that think like you.
I gave you tons of reasons and facts why swf is broken up there and yet you didn't come up with any logical evidence and proof that why swf is not broken.
Cus you can't. It is broken and it is unfair. Done.
I wonder if you even play this game tbh.
Cus you are the only one person that I've met thinking swf isnt broken and unfair. I'm not even joking rn. Lol.
Like i said, there are reasons why this game was designed without any communication tools for the survivors. Devs knew it and that's why they designed the game and rules like this. And discord breaks that very important rules that survivors shouldn't be communicating and sharing infos during the play.
But come on, I'm guessing you are only playing as survs in low rank and I'm probably guessing right but dude...
Seriously? Sharing 'where the killer is, where the hax totem is, how much pallets left in loop area, what kind of perks killer uses, if he is camping or not, the progress on each gen' is not broken? Woah... you must be really bad this game😂
Yea maybe you are right about leaving ppl after removing the swf but that's something need to be fixed fast and even gone. Cus it is breaking the very essential game play mechanism.
And please stop with that business and company Bs dude. This is balance discussion thread not the Game company simulator.0 -
That sounds good, but if that happens so one is going to play killer in unranked matches. What about giving killers extra blood points and survivors will have one more extra gen? That will make things much better for the killersbloxe said:
@powerbats posts resumed in one line:powerbats said:Spamming the same thing over and over again and giving yourself awesomes or your pet accounts doing it doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
SWF isn't broken and it's not as unfair as you make it out to be and in fact most are easy to beat because of how altruistic they are,.Also no removing swf will not make those pppl stay despite all of your illusionary false thinking.
Why don't you go take a business class and then try and remove most of your customer base that supports you and then see how well you do. Your teacher will give you a F immediately and tell you don't ever try and run a business.
If you're so positive that your idea will work then put your money where your mouth is and promise to pay the difference in lost revenue you and all the rest that think like you.
"Waaah, waaah, dont take my only way to win."
I agree that SWF should NOT be removed from the game, but killers need a way to have a fair game. Implementing unranked mode would be a great solution. Ranked for solo, unranked for SWF.0 -
Translation you can't refute my arguments so you resort to that nonsense again. hint I play mostly solo and when I play swf i mostly play for fun. The fact you and the rest just can't beat a swf team and or blame any loss on swf instead of your own bad plays says it all.
I agree that SWF should NOT be removed from the game, but killers need a way to have a fair game. Implementing unranked mode would be a great solution. Ranked for solo, unranked for SWF.
Yet most of the responses so far have been to remove swf from the game entirely like the person below you and there's also the fact your ideas won't work.
You'd be splitting off a huge portion of the player base which is the swf players that play for fun and the remaining group won't be big enough to support a ranked system. You'd have a huge population imbalance the same as if you removed swf from the game.
If you had a huge population like say Overwatch or League does a separate pair of modes would be entirely feasible but the population of gamers n here hasn't reached that critical mass yet.
This is what all of the remove swf from the game and all of the separate modes people don't seem to understand.
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@Eul said:
If you do not agree on swf is broken then you must be really bad at this game. Every high ranked players agrees on this because they know how this game works and the mechanisms and stuff. Not like you.
Rank 1 both sides and I've got no problems facing swf or killers while soloing. The only one that's obviously bad here is you if you can't beat most swf teams. So since I can hit rank 1 and handle people and give good advice on how to play that means I know how the game mechanisms work just fine. you on the other hand seem to only be able to blame everything but your own lack of skill when it comes to anything that goes wrong.
I gave you tons of reasons and facts why swf is broken up there and yet you didn't come up with any logical evidence and proof that why swf is not broken.
Cus you can't. It is broken and it is unfair. Done.Translation I didn't like your counter arguments that negated my made up stuff so now I'm going to claim victory.
I wonder if you even play this game tbh.
Cus you are the only one person that I've met thinking swf isnt broken and unfair. I'm not even joking rn. Lol.
Oh and this is given I've been taking a break from playing lately, so obviously I do play the game. I'm also not the only person on here that doesn't have an issue with swf.
Like i said, there are reasons why this game was designed without any communication tools for the survivors. Devs knew it and that's why they designed the game and rules like this. And discord breaks that very important rules that survivors shouldn't be communicating and sharing infos during the play.
WRONG again, the devs didn't have time to add swf since it was either that or KYF so they chose kyf. They also didn't have time to add voice and didn't think it'd have the impact it has. Oh and obviously Console doesn't need Discord since they have their very own built in voice communication.
There was never any rule that survivors shouldn't be sharing information and the fact you'd throw out such a blatant lie just proves you've got no argument.
But come on, I'm guessing you are only playing as survs in low rank and I'm probably guessing right but dude...
Oh you just had to make yourself look foolish there didn't you, see the above killer rank 1 screenshot. I'm not the one dodging every lobby just because I might get challenged here. But just to prove how foolish you look yet again for guessing.
Seriously? Sharing 'where the killer is, where the hax totem is, how much pallets left in loop area, what kind of perks killer uses, if he is camping or not, the progress on each gen' is not broken? Woah... you must be really bad this game😂
The only one bad here is you and those are some pretty weak insult type arguments. I play mostly solo and even when I play swf I pay attention to what I see. I know when the killer is breaking a pallet since i'm usually in their vicinity watching them.
Premonition so I know if it's a wraith/Pig/Insidious cam oh and the terror radius but also I look around visually in case they're soft camping.Oh gee I can't look at a gen and see the pistons moving and tell how much progress it has left on it.
Yea maybe you are right about leaving ppl after removing the swf but that's something need to be fixed fast and even gone. Cus it is breaking the very essential game play mechanism.
Yes I'm right about people leaving and it's finally starting to sink in, but here you go again it has to be removed because you don't like it. It's also not breaking the essential mechanism and you know why because they and always intended it to be there.
Nowe to finally put the proverbial logic nail in your argument here with some simple facts you conveniently ignore.
Those players on console can and do invite people to party chat or voice chat even when they're currently solo lobbied up because that's a core functionality of the consoles. Then you have lobby chat you know where survivors can coordinate perks, offerings, addons etc.
Oh and they can also post Discord links to you know use voice chat all while being solo lobbied up and still have voice in use. It's almost as if removing SWF would have absolutely no bearing on your lack of skill in countering people using voice.
In fact it'd be even worse because with most SWF they're rather easy to beat because they're also overly altruistic. But a bunch of solo players who're not friends you could camp one and still get 3 out the gate because they won't rescue.
And please stop with that business and company Bs dude. This is balance discussion thread not the Game company simulator.
Translation you know I'm right yet again and have to deflect once again, if you don't know how a business actually runs. You shouldn't be trying to play game company simulator expert by saying they should remove the biggest part of their customer base.
You got nailed to the wall of logic and are now trying to wiggle free with illogical nonsense and it's not working.
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@powerbats said:
Translation you can't refute my arguments so you resort to that nonsense again. hint I play mostly solo and when I play swf i mostly play for fun. The fact you and the rest just can't beat a swf team and or blame any loss on swf instead of your own bad plays says it all.
I agree that SWF should NOT be removed from the game, but killers need a way to have a fair game. Implementing unranked mode would be a great solution. Ranked for solo, unranked for SWF.
Yet most of the responses so far have been to remove swf from the game entirely like the person below you and there's also the fact your ideas won't work.
You'd be splitting off a huge portion of the player base which is the swf players that play for fun and the remaining group won't be big enough to support a ranked system. You'd have a huge population imbalance the same as if you removed swf from the game.
If you had a huge population like say Overwatch or League does a separate pair of modes would be entirely feasible but the population of gamers n here hasn't reached that critical mass yet.
This is what all of the remove swf from the game and all of the separate modes people don't seem to understand.
You know me. I'm not one to say get rid of SWFs, but I will say blindly permitting them to put their collective boots up the asses of killers will go a long way to ensure DBD NEVER gets the numbers of overwatch, or League.
No game would allow people to bend, and break the game that damn hard and have a large population.I love the game, and the first week or so I was ready to recommend the game to others, but now with a few months under my belt? Hell no.
SWF is a big reason for that. I won't sit here, and pretend it's balanced.
I'm not going to recommend the a game with such a near broken to utterly broken element to it, and put that frustration on others.
Knowing my luck the first match they get will be an SWF with a red rank that will make the match a ######### and a half, and turn them off with the ######### match making.
I've been running into reds, and purples mixed with greens and tans all week.SWF may have saved the game, but the sheer unwillingness to do something to make facing them worthwhile, or give the tools to dodge them is keeping it crippled.
And lets face it, the devs could have done things to do that by now, but would rather let SWFs have their arsenal. Like seeing the killer's loadout, and blab it mid match.Them being "overly altruistic" as an excuse only goes so far.
Until the game is balanced around SWFs, I can't recommend it. I like it, but there's that element of brokenness, and frustration people don't seem to want to do much about.
And it might help if you, instead of kicking in the door, and firing off with both barrels at anyone that even dares to complain about SWFs to maybe propose the ideas you like as alternatives to help adjust for the difficulty? Not just "git gud!"?
It'll do more to get people to stop wanting SWF gone, and more to co-exist with them and get rewarded for the hassle. Maybe even get better as they play to earn those bonus BP, or some such.0 -
Doesn't really matter what you feel about swf cus majority of players think Swf is broken lol. Just look at this post rn, you are the only one person so far who thinks there's no problem in Swf? Or are you just gonna say they are all my fake accounts? Yea that'd be easy for you.powerbats said:@Eul said:
If you do not agree on swf is broken then you must be really bad at this game. Every high ranked players agrees on this because they know how this game works and the mechanisms and stuff. Not like you.
Rank 1 both sides and I've got no problems facing swf or killers while soloing. The only one that's obviously bad here is you if you can't beat most swf teams. So since I can hit rank 1 and handle people and give good advice on how to play that means I know how the game mechanisms work just fine. you on the other hand seem to only be able to blame everything but your own lack of skill when it comes to anything that goes wrong.
I gave you tons of reasons and facts why swf is broken up there and yet you didn't come up with any logical evidence and proof that why swf is not broken.
Cus you can't. It is broken and it is unfair. Done.Translation I didn't like your counter arguments that negated my made up stuff so now I'm going to claim victory.
I wonder if you even play this game tbh.
Cus you are the only one person that I've met thinking swf isnt broken and unfair. I'm not even joking rn. Lol.Oh and this is given I've been taking a break from playing lately, so obviously I do play the game. I'm also not the only person on here that doesn't have an issue with swf.
Like i said, there are reasons why this game was designed without any communication tools for the survivors. Devs knew it and that's why they designed the game and rules like this. And discord breaks that very important rules that survivors shouldn't be communicating and sharing infos during the play.
WRONG again, the devs didn't have time to add swf since it was either that or KYF so they chose kyf. They also didn't have time to add voice and didn't think it'd have the impact it has. Oh and obviously Console doesn't need Discord since they have their very own built in voice communication.
There was never any rule that survivors shouldn't be sharing information and the fact you'd throw out such a blatant lie just proves you've got no argument.
But come on, I'm guessing you are only playing as survs in low rank and I'm probably guessing right but dude...
Oh you just had to make yourself look foolish there didn't you, see the above killer rank 1 screenshot. I'm not the one dodging every lobby just because I might get challenged here. But just to prove how foolish you look yet again for guessing.
Seriously? Sharing 'where the killer is, where the hax totem is, how much pallets left in loop area, what kind of perks killer uses, if he is camping or not, the progress on each gen' is not broken? Woah... you must be really bad this game😂
The only one bad here is you and those are some pretty weak insult type arguments. I play mostly solo and even when I play swf I pay attention to what I see. I know when the killer is breaking a pallet since i'm usually in their vicinity watching them.
Premonition so I know if it's a wraith/Pig/Insidious cam oh and the terror radius but also I look around visually in case they're soft camping.Oh gee I can't look at a gen and see the pistons moving and tell how much progress it has left on it.
Yea maybe you are right about leaving ppl after removing the swf but that's something need to be fixed fast and even gone. Cus it is breaking the very essential game play mechanism.
Yes I'm right about people leaving and it's finally starting to sink in, but here you go again it has to be removed because you don't like it. It's also not breaking the essential mechanism and you know why because they and always intended it to be there.
Nowe to finally put the proverbial logic nail in your argument here with some simple facts you conveniently ignore.
Those players on console can and do invite people to party chat or voice chat even when they're currently solo lobbied up because that's a core functionality of the consoles. Then you have lobby chat you know where survivors can coordinate perks, offerings, addons etc.
Oh and they can also post Discord links to you know use voice chat all while being solo lobbied up and still have voice in use. It's almost as if removing SWF would have absolutely no bearing on your lack of skill in countering people using voice.
In fact it'd be even worse because with most SWF they're rather easy to beat because they're also overly altruistic. But a bunch of solo players who're not friends you could camp one and still get 3 out the gate because they won't rescue.
And please stop with that business and company Bs dude. This is balance discussion thread not the Game company simulator.
Translation you know I'm right yet again and have to deflect once again, if you don't know how a business actually runs. You shouldn't be trying to play game company simulator expert by saying they should remove the biggest part of their customer base.
You got nailed to the wall of logic and are now trying to wiggle free with illogical nonsense and it's not working.
You just don't want to face the fact that swf is ridiculous, oh devs didnt put voice chats and chats in game cus they didn't have time and thought it really wouldn't have impact on this game? Well you are on 1 rank and still dont know anything about the balance. And about the consoles having party system on their ps4 or xbox itself? Devs just couldnt come up with brilliant idea to block it so just released the game without thinking about the balance just to get more players and money just like they have been doing for last 2 years.
If both sides of players are at the same skill level the only way for killers to win against 4 man squad is choose nurse(which is obviously the most imbalanced killer in the entire game rn), pick Spirit with red add ons and just go for Doctor with certain setting and just patrol gens with overcharge perk, making game go over 30 mins make them to rage quit. And other killers like wraith, trapper, pig, cannibal and others won't even have a chance to hook even 2 of them. Not cus they are a bad killer cus this game is already survivor friendly game without swf and discord and all the voice chat system makes it much more worse.
If you still got no clue why it is broken then i guess your ppl on your server are just bad in general.
Sure you can just go thinking that swf is totally ok and ppl are just not good enough to go against swf
While majority of the community and the new players are complaining and leaving the game via Swf and swf users abusing ######### matchmaking system that makes new killers play against red ranks with pink add ons lol.
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@Rebel_Raven said:
And it might help if you, instead of kicking in the door, and firing off with both barrels at anyone that even dares to complain about SWFs to maybe propose the ideas you like as alternatives to help adjust for the difficulty? Not just "git gud!"?
It'll do more to get people to stop wanting SWF gone, and more to co-exist with them and get rewarded for the hassle. Maybe even get better as they play to earn those bonus BP, or some such.I've proposed lots of ideas to help killers including some that a lot of survivors think are wildly op which some of them are. I've tried coming up with solutions to various problems yet some killer only see it as survivor buffs and killer nerfs.
I've suggested bp bonuses for killers facing swf with the larger amounts the larger the group size and yet i get ridiculed for it. I've made plenty if suggestions and given advice but as you cans ee from some of the responses here.
If you give them good advice, use logic and common sense, tell them that removing swf would kill the game. Then you get the typical response of insults, histrionics, the I'm smarter than you, you don't play the game etc etc.
These are people that won't ever change and even if you removed swf would still complain about something because it's their lack of skill that holds most of them back. for instance I suck at Nurse because I don't play her enough mainly because she doesn't fit my playstyle.
I'm the same way with Billy and several other killers but give me Spirit and I destroy pretty much at will, I love Trapper, Pig and Myers. They all fit my playstyle of an ambush type killer that stalks their prey and then plays with them at their leisure.
I don't pick Bubba and then complain that everytime I get 360'd it's survivors fault that I'm chasing them with my chainsaw held aloft all the time. I don't pick a killer and automatically blame it on swf because i screwed up or made mistakes.
I've been in tons fog ames all solo lobbies where everyone joins separately sometimes up to minutes apart at all ranks. The killer does badly and then the typical you only won because of swf despite the very obvious evidence to the contrary.
In fact experienced solo players will destroy a killer at high ranks more often than 4 man SWF short of the swat teams which are extremely rare. There's several plays I know at rank 1 that're godlike players and they'll absolutely destroy most killers at rank 1.
Why because they know how to play and take advantage of killers that're going to tunnel, one has a name with looped being part of it. I've watched as they've looped killers endlessly because the killer would try and chainsaw them instead of going for a very easy m1 attack.
I've watched these players 360 killers endlessly because the killer would just keep lunging or going to the chainsaw attack with Billy. I've kited a killer around the entire map for 7 minutes before without ever using a vault or pallet.
I had a Myers try and stalk me on Thompson House for 3 complete loops without ever vaulting or looping a same spot or pallet. During that time my teammates kepot working on gens through his Ruin. I mean 3 straight laps around Thompson House map using the furthest edges of the map says a lot.
The devs are trying to make things right and slowly moving in the right direction but for those whining the loudest removing SWF isn't the answer. They'll only be satisfied if they can 4k every game and survivors basically stand under the hook for them.
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I haven't seen you propose many ideas lately.powerbats said:@Rebel_Raven said:
And it might help if you, instead of kicking in the door, and firing off with both barrels at anyone that even dares to complain about SWFs to maybe propose the ideas you like as alternatives to help adjust for the difficulty? Not just "git gud!"?
It'll do more to get people to stop wanting SWF gone, and more to co-exist with them and get rewarded for the hassle. Maybe even get better as they play to earn those bonus BP, or some such.I've proposed lots of ideas to help killers including some that a lot of survivors think are wildly op which some of them are. I've tried coming up with solutions to various problems yet some killer only see it as survivor buffs and killer nerfs.
I've suggested bp bonuses for killers facing swf with the larger amounts the larger the group size and yet i get ridiculed for it. I've made plenty if suggestions and given advice but as you cans ee from some of the responses here.
If you give them good advice, use logic and common sense, tell them that removing swf would kill the game. Then you get the typical response of insults, histrionics, the I'm smarter than you, you don't play the game etc etc.
These are people that won't ever change and even if you removed swf would still complain about something because it's their lack of skill that holds most of them back. for instance I suck at Nurse because I don't play her enough mainly because she doesn't fit my playstyle.
I'm the same way with Billy and several other killers but give me Spirit and I destroy pretty much at will, I love Trapper, Pig and Myers. They all fit my playstyle of an ambush type killer that stalks their prey and then plays with them at their leisure.
I don't pick Bubba and then complain that everytime I get 360'd it's survivors fault that I'm chasing them with my chainsaw held aloft all the time. I don't pick a killer and automatically blame it on swf because i screwed up or made mistakes.
I've been in tons fog ames all solo lobbies where everyone joins separately sometimes up to minutes apart at all ranks. The killer does badly and then the typical you only won because of swf despite the very obvious evidence to the contrary.
In fact experienced solo players will destroy a killer at high ranks more often than 4 man SWF short of the swat teams which are extremely rare. There's several plays I know at rank 1 that're godlike players and they'll absolutely destroy most killers at rank 1.
Why because they know how to play and take advantage of killers that're going to tunnel, one has a name with looped being part of it. I've watched as they've looped killers endlessly because the killer would try and chainsaw them instead of going for a very easy m1 attack.
I've watched these players 360 killers endlessly because the killer would just keep lunging or going to the chainsaw attack with Billy. I've kited a killer around the entire map for 7 minutes before without ever using a vault or pallet.
I had a Myers try and stalk me on Thompson House for 3 complete loops without ever vaulting or looping a same spot or pallet. During that time my teammates kepot working on gens through his Ruin. I mean 3 straight laps around Thompson House map using the furthest edges of the map says a lot.
The devs are trying to make things right and slowly moving in the right direction but for those whining the loudest removing SWF isn't the answer. They'll only be satisfied if they can 4k every game and survivors basically stand under the hook for them.
And like I said before on your tips, they're kinda useless if they're in another thread.
You haven't offered any idea to counter removal from what I saw. You just ranted at everyone.
Honestly for everything we agree on to combat SWFs, it seems like it all goes back to square one every thread.
You just assumed it wouldn't work to try and put them on another course?
Looking back through this thread, you really haven't offered anything but ridicule, and a business standpoint, and removing SWF might kill the game.
And the notion they're altruistic which is kinda vague, and not particularly useful.
When I started loathing SWFs, I wanted them gone, too. Same as lots of others, but I hadn't posted yet, iirc. I wanted to know how the hell these people were so coordinated so I researched.
Then i read some well reasoned, civil, brief statements that weren't rants, or tirades as to why SWF should stay.
Got me thinking, yeah they are right. If I got my friends on this game, I'd want to SWF, too.
I should not deprive others of that.
I'm not one to try and tell people how to game, and I expect similar in return.
Good points!
Which lead to me wanting SWF to still exist, but not be such a massive throrn in the asses of people just starting out like me, and hell, anyone. There's a reason people say even top tier killers would dodge them.
So, filters? Labels? Bonus points, especially in BP?
Like I said, people will still complain about SWFs because lets face it, they can make a game unreasonably tough, especially for low rank killers. Playing at high rank, you seem kinda out of touch with that, and what it's like.
Its just going to get worse with the new match making hiding SWFs more.
It would probably be easier if we just started showing them that there are alternatives.1 -
The devs are obviously ######### scared of touching SWF. They know it's unbalanced but they're terrified of pissing off a huge chunk of the playerbase.
That's why they're allowed to run around exploiting perks like Object of Obsession despite the fact that it basically gives their team wallhacks.
Who cares about balance when you have 4 toxic players who couldnt give a ######### about balance or playing normally, they just want to join, bully the killer and then disconnect when they lose. But devs cater to these people because they're buying the ######### meg, nea, claudette and dwight cosmetics.1 -
Sounds great.Eul said:
That sounds good, but if that happens so one is going to play killer in unranked matches. What about giving killers extra blood points and survivors will have one more extra gen? That will make things much better for the killersbloxe said:
@powerbats posts resumed in one line:powerbats said:Spamming the same thing over and over again and giving yourself awesomes or your pet accounts doing it doesn't change the fact you're wrong.
SWF isn't broken and it's not as unfair as you make it out to be and in fact most are easy to beat because of how altruistic they are,.Also no removing swf will not make those pppl stay despite all of your illusionary false thinking.
Why don't you go take a business class and then try and remove most of your customer base that supports you and then see how well you do. Your teacher will give you a F immediately and tell you don't ever try and run a business.
If you're so positive that your idea will work then put your money where your mouth is and promise to pay the difference in lost revenue you and all the rest that think like you.
"Waaah, waaah, dont take my only way to win."
I agree that SWF should NOT be removed from the game, but killers need a way to have a fair game. Implementing unranked mode would be a great solution. Ranked for solo, unranked for SWF.0
