Are the hooks a design failure?

the cage system like pyramid head has might be a good idea on hooks but still that bubba will probably go find and tunnel that person maybe problem is not the hooks the player is and in some cases camping is only thing to do like no gen left you got a hook all you can do is now protect the hook it isn't simple thing but I can see the point of what you said

I tottaly agree with this maybe waiting to much near to a hook when there is still gens to protect killer should be punished

Some sort of system to force survivors into doing something else (rescues) is still needed, however as hooks currently work there can be a lot of room for improvement. With chases getting shorter and more frequent, if you want killers to work towards 12 hook games there needs to be some sort of adjustment, the amount of time a killer will take *just hooking and walking to hooks* in a 12 hook game is almost enough to get all gens done by itself.

I like the cages that PH has, although just a flat buff to hook walking speed could be enough. You still need rescues as liked it or not, playing around hook saves and yes, camping and proxy camping is one of the most interactive parts of a game for survivors and killers, and the more interaction between killers and survivors the more fun the games are.

I believe they become a problem when most if not all your perks are encouraged to be based around the one thing a “hooks” , instead of creating other dynamics that encourage other play styles and perk builds.

For as many perks as this game has, most of them would seem like a waste because as a survivor you are constantly trying to counter play styles that exist in every match.

I think developers should focus on creating other types of interactions. Rather than creating these “moments” when a Killer is just sitting at the hook and making it about what the game isn’t about.

I'm not saying you're gonna wiggle out every time but it adds suspense to it because the entire wiggle phase they can still get you to a hook. I've had it happens so many times where the bar was full but I still got hooked.

You don't. That's the point of the hooks. You take away the survivor's agency and ability to do anything and forces someone else to come get them. That's literally the design behind Killers like Deathslinger and Trickster. They're so oppressive in chase that you can't do much to dodge them if they are good enough.

Yet those two are still considered low tier killers because they don't have any map pressure.

It's a 1v4 game, if every survivor can still contribute to the game when they're downed and hooked then the game balance is going to swing much more in their favour.

The Killer is expected to take from Survivors and Survivors are expected to do the same. All DBD is in reality is a game of attrition between two sides. The Killer needs to drain the survivor's hook states and the Survivors needs to drain the killer's generators. The side who can do it faster while making sure the other side cannot do their objective is the one who will be the winner in the end.

I've been facecamped, tunneled, and slugged by every kind of Killer on the face of this earth. But at this point I've come to expect it from over 3k hours playing this game. If a Killer is facecamping me, it tells me that either they need me to secure a kill during endgame or they don't want me to get away again after I chased them for over 4 gens.

If you don't expect being camped, tunneled, or slugged at the highest ranks in DBD then I suggest taking a chill pill from this game.

There's a reason why slugging is a lot more effective than facecamping or tunneling. Facecamping and tunneling just takes out one person from the game. Slugging forces everyone to stop working on generators to attempt a rescue or have every single person downed as a result which allows the Killer to start picking off targets.

Some of those I agree are more capable of protecting the hook, like Iri head Huntress, Hillbilly, Trapper, Myers and Ghostface.

But a lot of these would have their camping countered quite effectively by BT. They can get a hit in on the unhooked survivor, sure, but that survivor is going to get a speed boost and reset the chase from the endurance hit.

Bubba is the big problem because his chainsaw covers more ground than that, and it can down both unhooker and unhooked at the same time.

I honestly feel like all normal hooks should be like the cages where they prevent camping to some extent, however the basement hooks if you get brought there I think it's a you asked for it situation, the basement should be a threat. But honestly I can't really comment on game balance and failures rn while everything is a laggy desynced mess getting vacuumed to hooks etc and wiggling barely having an effect on killers.

I'll comment more when they finally fix the latency issue.