Why do people gatekeep skill when it comes to Spirit players?

CornHub
CornHub Member Posts: 1,864

Firstly there are killers AND survivor builds that are easier to pick up & will give you the same amount of success as a casual Spirit player will. Secondly, you don't need to do anything special in the match like snap out of it, mend(depending), cleanse, vaccinate, ect... And before anybody accuses me of being a bitter Spirit main who got called unskilled & is now complaining on the forums I'm a Twins main who plays both sides, but I'm just not seeing this level of gatekeeping when it comes to other killers. Except pre-nerf Freddy, but that's justified.

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  • DelsKibara
    DelsKibara Member Posts: 3,127

    To be fair to Nurse, she is kinda ######### boring to play right now.

    The jank with her blinks just makes it so much more frustrating to play her rather than fun. I'd love to main her again but the rework isn't worth it, man.

  • DwarvenTavern
    DwarvenTavern Member Posts: 2,495

    Don't ever post again OP, you got 1234 posts lmfao

    I probably would have to say since she is really good, has a decently high kill rate with little effort

  • ThirdSealOPplzNerf
    ThirdSealOPplzNerf Member Posts: 362

    You're 100% wrong. Spirit becomes easier than nurse to play when survivors don't actually try to outsmart the spirit and just run around loops or running in general. Spirit becomes considerably harder however when a survivor is much more smarter with how they try to lose her then Spirit will have to make a good read to get a hit. The change to iron will shall make sure that the Spirit on training wheels will have to get better or drop her.

  • ShinobuSK
    ShinobuSK Member Posts: 5,279

    Some people dying to stand still mindgame one too many times I guess :)

  • glitchboi
    glitchboi Member Posts: 6,025
    edited July 2021

    I think Spirit takes a lot more skill than the majority of the killers, but no way in hell does she take more skill than Nurse, Blight, and Billy.

  • Phasmamain
    Phasmamain Member Posts: 11,543

    It’s because spirit is essentially the ez mode for the killer side atm and most people who play her play her for that reason

  • NoOneKnowsNova
    NoOneKnowsNova Member Posts: 2,785

    As someone who's almost exclusively played killer for a few months, including Spirit herself, its because she is the second strongest killer in the game while being easy and having very little counterplay.

    Yes there may be killers that are easier, but none are as strong. Additionally, many killers that you have to do certain things against, such as doctor, are in B or C tier, which means although they arent the most enjoyable to face, atleast you can win against them.

  • AJStyIez
    AJStyIez Member Posts: 419
    edited July 2021

    I'd argue that PTB Trickster and current Wraith are just as easy if not easier so yeah I agree. I play both sides at red ranks and I have to admit certain things I do as survivor don't require much effort or experience which is why I don't criticize certain things anymore and personally I feel Killer takes more focus/effort in general. Anybody that uses any meta perks on either side or high tier killers can't ever say that Spirit is easy, because so are a lot of other combos in this game but they don't announce it every time it happens. Sounds like salt from people that die to Spirits a lot.

    You'll never hear a Survivor say "We only did those last 3 gens because 2 of us had Prove Thyself and we rotated to double team the gens".. they'll happily take their easy-mode win and might even badmouth the killer on Twitch or their Discord call while doing it

  • CornHub
    CornHub Member Posts: 1,864

    But is that enough a reason to say she takes little to no skill to play? I've met Pig players with more success than Spirit players who have more hours also

  • AJStyIez
    AJStyIez Member Posts: 419
    edited July 2021

    Lol what? The Spirit is not impossible to escape against consistently.. I'm not even the best Survivor in the world but I regularly out-mindgame Spirits and escape against them because I play a lot of the entire Killer roster including her and know what she's thinking. The only real uncounterable thing that happens to me while playing against one is that I'll chain multiple tiles together but while traveling to another one she comes out of Phase Walk then hits me a split second before I can press my Dead Hard.

    Although the spirit can be annoying its part of the game. Doctors can spam Shock with larger AoE addons and eventually catch up for free regardless of your looping skills, Clown can get bailed out at vaults/pallets by extended Tonic duration, Deathslinger gets bailed out daily with free zoning from spamming his aim button, Wraith gets bailed out by his lunge post uncloak, Huntress gets bailed out by getting credit for Hatchets when there's clear 3-feet distance between the Survivor and hatchet trajectory etc.

    I feel like people just don't like the fact that you can't bully a Spirit the way you can bully the rest of the roster including a practicing Nurse, she's the only one that can hold her ground consistently against any level of survivor regardless of perks/addons they bring

  • Shroompy
    Shroompy Member Posts: 7,960

    When did I say anything about playing? I said LEARNING. Nurse is a lot HARDER to pick up than Spirit. But once youve learned Nurse she becomes the easiest killer in the game since you dont have to deal with 90% of the ######### survivors throw at you

  • Killing_Time
    Killing_Time Member Posts: 894
    edited July 2021

    True, but you have to deal with what the devs threw at you.


    Bugs, spots you can't blink, a cool down on a cool down, etc lol.

  • EntitySpawn
    EntitySpawn Member Posts: 4,233

    Because people dont like losing, it's easier to blame and hate than accept personal flaws and room for improvements

  • solidhex
    solidhex Member Posts: 950

    i personally think she takes more skill than people give her credit. I don't wanna compare, everyone's saying "harder/ easier than x", i don't think that matters because there are many factors and preferences. My personal win rate with her is currently lower than with Wraith for example, i play her without Stridor and only with yellow/green add-ons. When a survivor manages to mindgames me i often feel lost because with 110% and without power you're kinda helpless, especially if you need to go to the other side of the map to a gen for example. I also feel that, compared to a year ago, the red rank players have gotten much better against her, the braindead "running in a straight line"-survivors are not as common anymore.

    I think its also a lot of preference, some people have no problem with seeing little glimpses of grass moving far away while others need the visual feedback of a survivor running in front of them. I know people who tried her multiple times and said they hated playing her.

    From a survivor view, most Spirits i got matched with lately relied on "unfun" playstyles (proxy camping, hard tunneling the first survivor they downed, NOED). She is, unfortunately, really good if you play her like this.

  • Shroompy
    Shroompy Member Posts: 7,960

    Spirit takes skill to play, the people who say so are just lying to themselves.

    Spirit seems like she doesnt take skill because she's easier to pick up compared to other killers who are in the same league

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,956

    Because they’re very salty and use that as their excuse of losing.

  • GeneralV
    GeneralV Member Posts: 12,762

    Because people are salty and can't take a loss.

    Spirit takes skill to play, and so does every single killer in the game. Even if there isn't much to their powers, there is still general killer knowledge which is a skill on itself.

    Spirit has her problems, but being "easy" to play as is not one of them.

  • FreddysMixTape
    FreddysMixTape Member Posts: 94

    If survivor was so brain dead to play you wouldn't see as many potatoes that go down in like under 20 seconds against just m1s as you do. Is survivor easier than killer, absolutely but it's not nearly as easy as you make it out to be, there are times you have to make reads, understanding how to chain tiles and when to make distance, etc. these are all things that require a certain level of game sense.

    I'd argue Spirit is generally easier than survivor assuming you have the basic fundamentals of killer down since you don't have to make any reads ever; as you can just follow sound and environmental cues, which granted is a skill but assuming you have semi decent headphones it's not one that particularly hard to acquire. Neither does she need to aim to hit a potential ranged attack or really do anything that requires a significant amount of thought.

    Regarding the title: Spirit is gate kept because she offers incredibly little interaction to the opposing site, I often feel it's less about how strong she is or how easy she is but rather how incredibly mind numbing she is to play against.

  • ukenicky
    ukenicky Member Posts: 1,352

    With Spirit I acknowledge that in order to do well with her you need to be phenomenal at tracking. Good hearing and watching for blood / following scratch marks and crows even are all imperative.. But these are things you should do on all killers lol

    The only things I can think of that take some extra skill and mastering on Spirit is finding that perfect range where you can phase to someone on a generator without them hearing your phase sounds and landing lunges coming out of phase (Sometimes Grudge hits can be hard for me to land).

    But yeah, compared to most other killers she doesn't require much other than killer basics 101. She's busted. Her add ons are busted. She can make most if not all perks work in her favor but obviously why wouldn't a Spirit just run the strongest perks they can (That's what I do at least). She's an S tier killer with great ease of use/access and I think it's okay to have characters like that but my god her addons need looked at

  • Dustin
    Dustin Member Posts: 2,432
    edited July 2021

    There's barely anything unique to Spirit to learn as killer that you can't learn on other killers since her entire power is an incredibly strong phase / lunge that just needs you to be able to listen to sounds. Something that you can learn on every other killer especially when being flashlight blinded.

    Low skill floor with high payoff essentially with an unfair and frustrating power to deal with.

    She's not brain dead per se but again - Nothing really unique about her power to learn aside from the passive phasing aspect which is again braindead easy to learn. Everything else about her you can genuinely learn from playing other killers so she's a low skillfloor killer.

  • ThiccBudhha
    ThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,987

    I kind of like her but won't play her because she is too hard for me. It is subjective, we all have different skill sets. If Spirit is that easy for them, well, I can only be a little jealous.


    At the end of the day, people will always downplay other people's skills to make themselves feel better. There is no real logical reason other than the boost to their clearly low self esteem.