You think Michael Myres needs a bit of a... update?
By all means he's not a bad killer at all, it's just lately I feel like he's getting rusty.
In reality about 1/3rd of his addons are practical and all of them are kind of overly simple.
And his tiny Terror radius gimmick is fun for me but obviously higher rank survivors can deal with it.
He also suffers from the T1 starter, it's funny to sneak up on people but never expect to end a chase quickly in that state unless you grabbed them. It's a throwaway tier since you cannot return to it and it hinders you more than it helps.
Im not so sure it's the addons that make it feel that way or it's Micheal's mechanics that makes it feel that way.
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I think Myers is stronger than perceived to be. The only thing I would like to see is his multi-stalk back.
Oh, and this:
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He needs a small update but keeping his feel is very important
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Remove tombstone piece, it’s his most broken addon. You can just delete survivors from the game without even hooking them.
Tombstone + Tuft of hair…I don’t have a problem with it but it can be boring for both sides, either all 5 gens get done & survivors leave with no altruism or boldness points and no hook points for Myers, or Myers gets T3 & demolishes all the survivors, again with a lack of points for both sides.
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Ofc he does, and he will.
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Off topic, why isn't the fog like that any more? What we have now are like sad little farts emitted from the earth. Ghost Face and Myers would be more terrifying in that kind of a setting.
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I have no idea, but I hate the fact that it isn't like that anymore.
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I guess he should, why not.
At least update him if only slightly.
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Would myers going back to tier one after tier 3, but survivors lose stalk over time be a good change? I think it would make the game more exciting altho I can see why people wouldnt want to go back to tier 1
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He needs a full on rework, he's outdatted af
Here's what I'd do: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/263373/my-attempt-at-a-myers-rework#latest
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Yes - The Shape is in desperate need for a rework. I'd change a lot about him but here's the three main things I'd change.
- The Shape can multistalk now
- The Shape can hold EW3 and activate at will (Similar to Oni when fully charged)
- When The Shape fully drains a survivor their Evil Within will reset from Red (Fully drained) to White (Undrained) after 4 minutes.
I've always wanted fog to return but more favoring killers it's just some maps aren't made for that anymore.
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I think Michael is fine and a whole lot stronger than most people think.
The only thing bad about him is tier 1, which isnt all that bad. Only thing he would ever need is reduced stalk needed for tier 2.
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With Halloween Kills on the horizon that would be a perfect time for a rework
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What's multi-stalk?
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because as killer you literally couldn't see anything
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Old Myers when he first came out could stalk multiple survivors at once making for some fast tier ups early game if he caught multiple people out
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Basically this. A good mechanic, removed a long time ago for no reason at all.
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And just why is that not a thing anymore?
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I'd say he should get a slight buff, anything more would be genuinely terrifying
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I suppose no one knows. BVHR's flawed logic...again.
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I think he’s mostly fine. He probably needs only the most minor of add on passes.
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He definitely needs a minor buff. He's the only killer that can literally run out of power, and considering that other one hit Killers like Leatherface, Hillbilly, and Ghostface don't have that problem, neither should Myers.
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but now I can literally see Myers and GF from across the map. It works both ways.
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He needs a bit of a rework. T1 is a complete detriment and T3 is underwhelming.
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You were able to see killers across the map anyway, the fog was so bad you literally could only see 5 feet in front of you
There was a reason why it was changed, yes it may of looked cool but it was obnoxious after a while
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He needs buffs and a visual update, his textures and animation looks pretty outdated and a mask which looks like a captain Kirk mask like the original Myers would be nice.
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They need to update his Stalk, increase how much he can gain off each individual survivor. Maybe buff Tier 1?
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Survivors shouldn't run out of stalk. Imagine if, for Oni, they only bled a certain amount.
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Let him be immune to spinechill in tier 1 again
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I would prefer Spine Chill didn't work against undetectable killers or while oblivious tbh.
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I doubt they'll update him, but I'd love to see him get some tweaks. He has absolutely nothing in a chase, and a small TR is a gimmick that kind of falls apart once decent comms come into play. Myers is genuinely a test of survivor skill. If survivors lose to a Myers on Red Forest, it had nothing to do with Myers' power.
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That sounds so cool and scary! Was it like a universal sound that played or was it only when he was stalking you?
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If I remembered it's when he's either stalking you for a long time or he's about to pop Evil III.
He also has a unused Tier Up Jingle, man there could of been something more.
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What I think Myers needs to be more competent is that his stalking speed is faster in his base kit, 110% speed in Tier-1, Give him a special ability only in Tier-2 that allows him to be invisible and roam the map, use it as a tactic so that the survivors do not know where Myers is, something very characteristic of the one who disappears and appears out of nowhere, unfortunately Myers currently depends a lot on the environment and having this ability can be fun. In Tier-3 he Make it faster to break pallets and recover from stun faster. Also, that the stalking stalk is restored over time and that it is not limited, since Myers without stalking is to have a killer with a terror radius of 16 or 8 meters.
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His addons are broken for sure. The tombstone piece and the tuft of hair are broke af. The addons that increase movement speed while stalking are useless. Vanity mirror is useless. The addons that let you see auras of survivors youve stalked for a few seconds are also useless imo
Scratched mirror is fun af. Dead rabbit addon is also fun af because you can synergize it with other perks and addons that extend his T3.
Idk how youd adjust his power in any sort of balanced way tho
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Reflective Fragment and Glass Fragment really suck, Mirror Shard I'm not sure if it can stalk someone far away and see their aura infinitely many times for 5 seconds if they are fully stalked.
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It used to warn Survivors actively being stalked by The Shape that his next Tier-up was imminent (Power gauge at ~85 %).
It was disabled after a couple of Patches as the Developers considered it too much information for the Survivors.
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Unknown sound that's the Stalk Music they took out that they should PUT BACK IN!
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Yeah i remember the first few times i played him and thought theyd be fun to try and in reality theyre a waste of addon slots that could be used on something better.
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Just got a banger idea, he can hold his Evil lll like how Oni can hold his berserk.
When Micheal activates it, it plays the unknown sound for 3 seconds then he goes into Evil lll, and maybe he gets a wraith uncloak speed boost.
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if they update myers they'll nerf his tombstone add-ons and mirror add-ons
leave him alone
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I really want to see him become 110 in tier 1. Also make his stalk a fixed rate rather than scaling with distance. Otherwise his basekit is fine in my opinion.
He definitely needs an addon pass. Tombstone Piece needs to go. It's just a bullshit addon. The rest of his addons need a look. Currently he only has about 6 addons worth running.
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Myers is fine in my opinion.
Sure I would love to see a buff to him but his low terror radius in tier 2 is quiet nice and when you play him with Monitore and Abuse you get a pretty nice set up. Also his quicker vaulting speed is pretty good and can be upgraded with Bamboozle, giving survivors almost no space from a vault.
His stalking is sometimes a bit strange when you want to stare over small loops but you can not stalk the survivor because that pile of rubbish that goes to the survivors chest is to big.
This would be my wish for Myers: Give him a bit more consistence with his stalking.
And yes, I know that Tombstone Piece is bonkers. However as long as Myers has to deal with Key he should be able to Tomestone Piece a survivor from time to time. This keeps the fear alive and makes him not as much as a joke as a normal M1 Killer would be.
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While i agree tombstone can feel unfair it would be a big blow to myers and dbd to see the entire gamplay of tombstone disappear. It has its counter of lockers and tbh the only way tombstone actually works is using tombstone piece where you have narrow oppurtunities to kill. The pink addons requires some serious inefficiencies for survivor to lose to it.
I wouldn't mind if a tier 3 tomestone warning came up additionally but even then it would likely be popped on top of the survivor. Its one of the most unique killer experiances you can have in dbd and im sure there are plenty of players out there who would be saddended to see it go.
Base myers I would love to see him get group stalk back or more likely a slowly regenerating evil within stalk energy.
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Absolutely hes has very outdated design and has needed a power tweak and an addon pass for a long time, he has way too much of a disparity between his addons with some being near useless to others being way to strong.
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I don't know why people are talking about his strength, it's not about his strength. It's about his power's outdated design.
The fact that Myers' entire power is just number value changes in the code means it's pretty ######### outdated.
Bamboozle, Fire Up/Monitor, Coup De Grace, Haunted Ground/Starstruck/Devour. Run on low terror radius killer. Congrats. You're now budget Myers + that killer's power. He has nothing to actually make him unique besides the fact that he stalks survivors, which isn't his ABILITY, it's how he obtains his ability.
At least Ghostface has a crouch and some visual effects...
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The stalking bug needs fixing.
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yep hes too slow and his power is underwhelming the fact he is limited to stalking a survivor so much then cant gain any more evil depending on the map and rng layout hard to gain traction out of ew1 to gain movement speed 110 ms sucks. i like myers but im like ughhhh alot of the time when his ms goes against him and getting looped or ran around
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You need to have your multiple stalking again.
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Keep him largely the way he is but make his tier 3 even deadlier, maybe add a speed boost as well (like 5% movement) or increase animations speed (such as picking up and breaking) by like 30-50%. Also, remove the cap where he can only stalk certain survivors so much. This would be very helpful with some of his add-ons and make him feel nicer to play. Nice QOL improvements while keeping the character and his add-ons (which imo are the best and most fun set in the game) largely the same.
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I think Myers needs only a minor power update, something to make T1 more rewarding and something else to make T3 much more threatening so he can fully be an unstoppable evil.
He also desperately needs an add on rework. Tombstone as fun as it is, is broken and inconsistent while most of his other add ons are completely useless.
Third is more nitpick and is more of a listening thing but Myers should updated in terms of look and be more dirty looking. His P3 blood spatter look should also be updated since it's starting to become outdated compared to the new p3 for survivors.
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