Can this game actually be played fair?

Like other people here have said there’s no set in stone definition of “fair” and if I had to guess the reason streamers discourage attempting to “play fair” is because when people lose if they want to find something to blame for losing that isn’t them they’re gonna find something no matter how you played.

Fairness is subjective.

Just like the win conditions of those 'Big Name Streamers'. Which, in all fairness (pun intended) are often ludicrously demanding.

If it makes you feel better since I’m a wraith main I despise that goddamn flashbang

No. At the higher end, you cannot get twelve hooks on rotation against a decent team. There simply isn't enough time.

But then, everybody has a different meaning for fair. If we go by the traditional 'no tunnel/camp,' well, then no.

What's considered 'fair' for survivors, though?

game can be fair only at one point and I think that is maps playing on midwich is not a fair thing for a killer playing on thompson house as a survivor and being in the that dead zone of corn field is not fair.It could be changed but there is more important stuff like making cosmetis,visuals of the maps etc.

Depends entirely on the context of the situation. If you're playing on a relatively fair map against somewhat mediocre Survivors then the answer is yes. You could probably afford to play 'fair'. Against good Survivors? No.

As long as you don't use flashlights you are definitely cute and forgivable. You can do whatever you want to me except flash that thing in my eyes, good way to get me to tunnel and face camp you if that is your preference, lol.

I really don't think "fair" is subjective. It's just giving everybody equal opportunity.

Yeah but take something like a survivor against a Nurse. The survivor does not have an equal opportunity to escape the chase as the Nurse has to downing you. If the Nurse is good enough she can basically guarantee to beat you which is not an equal opportunity for victory. I don't necessarily think tunneling is "unfair" it's just frustrating. Camping can be unfair if they hook you in an area with absolutely no resources and they can just guarantee you to never go anywhere. The real things I find "unfair" that are worth complaining about tho are matchups where the odds are way stacked in one sides favor just because of luck or because they chose a certain character.

So you think the game should be balanced in a way that guarantees survivors to die relatively quickly in chase? Even with killers who are designed to ignore every defense a survivor has like pallets and windows? If every killer was like Nurse the game would really suck.

Well I agree that should be the case but I think if that is truly how the game should be played then there needs to be an actual win condition. Currently the only "win condition" that exists is escaping or dying. Of course you can go by the pip system for a win or loss but that 's really stupid and everyone knows that.

Right now a player could be tunneled the entire game and then die at the end only for the 3 other survivors to escape. The game would basically tell the survivor who died that they died and nothing else. Even though that survivor was so good that they made everyone else escape the game doesn't recognize that. It only recognizes individual kills.

For example in that situation if 3 survivors escaped even the survivor who died should get a "win" from the game because 3 escaped. Right now the win condition is based around a 1v1 of you dying or escaping, not a 4v1 of the ratio of kills to escapes like it should be.

Imo it really blurs the lines between the 1v1 and 4v1 if there is no actual winning or losing on a team scale.

Sorry for the late reply but I disagree. Fair is completely subjective. Both sides have equal opportunity from the start, in fact at the start the killer starts at a deficit because they have no pressure and the survivors have all resources available. It's the survivors and killers decisions that determine the outcome. If survivors make a bad play like farming their teammate without DS why should the killer simply ignore the mistake and not punish it?. I'll rehook them. They unhooked too close to me and it's their fault I think that's fair. If gens get done really fast cause I wasn't pressuring gens Enough that's completely fair imo. Camping is fair because tho he's getting a survivor out of the game if all. Three split up on gens. You can easily get a 2-3 out which is a win or tie. That's fair. If he gets more. Than that it's the teams fault for being super altruistic. My main point is that fair is a subjective term that can fit any narrative Because what you may deem as unfair may seem completely fair play to someone else

It's not fair if it's a rank 1 going against a team of rank 15s. It's also not fair if it's a Nurse vs. an okay team of players. Nurse is designed to literally counter pallets and windows. How is a killer who counters all of the survivor's defenses fair? Those are objective balancing issues.

On the other side even a good Trapper vs a SWF sweat squad is inherently unfair. The Trapper couldn't do anything.

Yes bad matchmaking is unfair we all agree with that. But nurse isn't unfair. She's strong yes, but not unfair. You have to play very different against a nurse as playing against her is all mindgames. If you get caught out in the open your [BAD WORD], you need to block LOS and creat distance by being unpredictable and pathing uniquely. Eventually she will get a right read and down you but she gets heavily punished for messing up. You can easily lose a gen or 2 by having a couple missed blinks. Nurse is as strong as the person playing her. A bad nurse will lose almost all their games. A good nurse will win about half of their games and a skilled nurse will almost always win against pub match survivors. I don't think that makes her unfair.

Her blinks are not instantaneous and she has a limited blink range.

100% false. As a matter of fact, she's the only killer who can't guarantee a down, because she's inherently slower than survivors. If the survivor knows how her power works and what her weaknesses are, she's screwed.

Also not true. The problem is that you're thinking that her power is always available in every situation and don't really understand how it works. I regularly stun Nurses on purpose because I do know how her power works.

Eyes, brains, hand-eye coordination, knowledge. Mostly knowledge. Understand how she works (not just remembering numbers and data, but actually playing her and understanding how she works) and you can beat her.

as long as premades exist no, you cant play fair

Like I said what else exists? If you can't use pallets or windows eventually she will catch up no matter what. Obviously if the Nurse is bad she'll miss a lot but a good enough Nurse won't miss. If you run in a straight line or break line of sight or whatever she will catch up.

Without pallets and windows you'd just be holding W and that works until the killer catches up.

Eyes, brains, hand-eye coordination, and memory. Like I said.

That's the thing: you can use them, but you have to use them differently than when you're going up against other killers.

Every Nurse can miss because every player can miss because nobody is perfect. However, just for the sake of argument, if she doesn't miss, if she plays perfectly, but you don't, then why should she lose?

Every killer will catch up, eventually. That's a non-issue. Running in a straight line against a killer whose power lets them move in a straight line very quickly is just a bad idea. You wouldn't do that against a Hillbilly, would you?

Which is true of any killer. However, like I said, you can use pallets and windows against her, just differently.