Explain to me why bubba is bad

Bubba main here. Hes good, but he has very clear weaknesses. Pretty easily looped, specially jungle jims and window x2-3. 

His add ons are all sub par. Chili is basically useless as it just makes you go back from 96% back to 115 faster. the speed ones and the rev timer decreasers are only worthwhile.

for hitting things? Yea if you practice for like one game you won’t hit things.

his bigges tissue, is trying to keep map pressure. His best bet is rely on altruism. 
Run stuff like Dying light, thana, bbq, and then your choice. Thana makes survivors just go “REEEEEEEEE” mode and always try helpif whoevers injured or gonna die.

He's far from bad, but he's also not quite hitting into the great territory.  His main issues is that he's susceptible to being bullied and SWF Gen Rushing,,possibly good loopers too.

He's fantastic in a chase (with movement speed add-ons or extended reach) and against altruistic groups (I've been able to turn a 0-0k-1k game into a 3k easily).  It's just almost no map pressure/presence keeps him a bit behind other Killers.

Unless you get good/lucky Chainsaw opportunities, a snowballed game in the Survivor's favor is most likely going to stay that way

@Theluckyboi said:
-No tracking tools

Just use perks

-Revving the saw slows him down too much

Just use add-ons

-His add-ons are garbage

You dont play bubba much, do you? yeah, he has no "game changing" add-ons like many others, bu he has great combos

beast marks and award winning chilli make him godly, just avoid getting stunned and you will be fine

-He has problems sawing around loops

sawing around loops is not necessary, just hit them with the hammer.

-long tantrum after hitting objects

Well, just avoid hitting objects or use light chasis if you are that bad

-Perks

KO: Actually fine, pretty annoying for survivors, just surpassed by the third seal (and yes, swf makes it almost useless)
Franklins: good perk, even on bubba, helps getting rid of those pesky flashlights.

The answer you gave to his weaknesses where to use perks and add-ons. If that is the only way to get the killer to do "well" then the killer is flawed by default. Relying on extra items to achieve a competent match result does not equate to a good killer.

No pressure and his ability doesn't help him in a chase (unless the survivor makes a serious mistake).

No one mentioned tje number of useless add ons he has NOISE MUFFLERS. Also best marks increases charge time why? His best add ons are charge ads ons acceleration only works if survivours are moving in a straight direction you lose a lot of speed chainging directions.

He needs enduring and spirit fury as he can't really play a lot of pallets if survivours are decent. He has the classic problem of not having any ability to cross the map which defines the most powerful killers in the game.

Tldr
Crap addons. 
Cant cross the map fast the standard for a good killer.
All his advantages can be countered by simply smart play. 
Has to brute force loops with m1 with the only advantage being breaking pallets fast with specific charge add ons. 
These categories define a giid killer bubba lacking in them kakes him mid tier only elevated to high tier if specific add ons and specific builds are available as he has no build variation that works at rank 1 - brute force. 

@Theluckyboi said:

-Better movility than hillbilly

No......not only no but absolutely not. Hillbillys mobility lets him cross maps, which means he has immense map pressure and can easily start new chases quickly about as quickly as nurse and spirit. You can't do that with hillbilly.

Wolf74 said:

First "better movibility than hillbilly"?? How do you think that?!?

He has several issues:
-No map pressure
-No tracking tools
-No gen control
-Revving the saw slows him down to much. (You need to piggy back ride the survivor to get a hit)
-You can't just charge through the revving bar, you have to make sure it is fully filled and waste potentially a second or risk wasting the power
-His add ons are mostly (or actually ALL) garbage
-He has problems sawing around loops without hitting objects
-Hitting objects with his saw throws him into a loooong tantrum
-Perks: KO is garbage (SWF anybody?), FD isn't working with his saw

The things he is actually good at are those that are not appreciated.
-He can multi hit survivor, IF they are stupid enough to bunch up.
-He is a good/hard to beat camper (yay, that's so fun)
-He is good inside the basement (better waste some perks to actually get them there to benefit from it).

Most people just bought him to get BBQ, which just got indirectly nerfed a 2nd time.

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I also want to add, that using addons to change the rev up speed basically gimps him. Since he needs a fully charged chainsaw. If you release the button a split second to early, you lose the whole charge and probably the chase.
If you play around with those addons your muscle memory will ######### many chases up.

He's not bad at all. He's extremely strong to hook rush and camping if that is your thing.

He's a solid mid tier killer.

He's lethal in the basement. Like the worst to deal with.

Dwight_Confusion said:

He's not bad at all. He's extremely strong to hook rush and camping if that is your thing.

He's a solid mid tier killer.

He's lethal in the basement. Like the worst to deal with.

Agreed, Id say (depending on variables) he shifts all over Mid Tier placement.  I played him from the get go because I love Texas Chainsaw Massacre, only have had one bad match ever, the rest have been pretty fun across the board.

Leatherface and Trapper are Basement Buddies!

@Theluckyboi said:

@vampire_toothy said:

@Theluckyboi said:
Title, why is Cannibal usually ranked so low in tier lists? he seems pretty good to me even without add-ons.

-1 hit down chainsaw
-Better movility than hillbilly
-Great at basement builds

He is only bad on specific maps like lery´s and coldwind farm.

Personally, I consider leatherface to be the second worst killer in the game above the legion but keep in mind before we continue that just because leatherface is ranked in a very low position does not mean you can't win with him as I do also believe all killers are capable of winning against most survivors as of the current balance (granted, that is not an excuse not to slightly buff some of them).

The big thing to keep in mind is that instadowns do not mean a killer is good and we can see this very clearly with what is considered to be the top 5 killers which is the following ; Nurse, Hillbilly, Spirit, Huntress, Hag. Take notice that out of these 5 killers, only one of them has the capability of having a direct instadown because there are many factors to consider when determining the strength of a killer. For instance, out of these 5, 3 of them have an effective way to get around the map fast and 1 of the 5 killers has heavy snowballing potential while another also has the ability to protect the entire map.

What does Bubba have? He can occasionally use his chainsaw but lacks snowball potential, mobility and unfortunately there isn't really much learning to him at all. Poor Bubba can only be better at being a base killer but there is just simply no way to be better with his power on the other hand because any moderately serious player will not fall for your rev trick at pallets and is as loopable as any other killer while also having his power denied by windows which are numerous on any map except for maybe the game. Should that discourage you from using them? Absolutely not, don't let some tierlist change your mind on whether or not you should use a killer, if you find them fun and enjoy their gameplay then keep using them and maybe one of these days if the killer gets a buff you'll do even better with them.

Do you really think he is below freddy? why?

his power is not a liability, at all, if you know how to use him and you get just the right might you can make him lethal.

i think tierlists are bullshit, they should not affect your opinion of the game.

Keep in mind, just because I think some killers are better does not mean they're bad. Now, I have some basic reasoning for why I believe Freddy is better and that just comes down to understanding how both powers work. With Freddy for instance if you get the timings down for his transition you can perform a mindgame at most basic loops and get a good first hit usually which is already beneficial as you manage to get closer to survivors than you would as leatherface due to the difference in terror radius (Freddy has 24 meters vs Leatherface's 32 meters). The other thing is the size of the character, Freddy is much lower than Leatherface in terms of height meaning that you're able to mindgame more loops you previously couldn't with a taller character like Trapper, Myers or the guy we're talking about right now, Bubba. Freddy can also directly slow the game down with his power and people who can keep multiple people asleep can slow the game down very well, not to forget to mention his unmatched endgame potential. Leatherface can neither slow the game down (unless he has chain addons), have as many mindgames or get the ability to know exactly what survivors are doing at any given time like in the case of Freddy. That being said, I believe certain addons and maps change how strong Leatherface and Freddy are but in general there are more nasty things you can do with Freddy than you can do with Leatherface. Again, it doesn't mean you can't do well with this killers as it is certainly possible if you want to put the time into them.