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    Deep wound should be tied to terror radius not to the chase mechanic.

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    Deep wound is a mechanic that is meant to waste survivor's time and create pressure for the killer. It's meant to be an incentive for the killer to target other survivors and reward the splitting of focus. It does this by not ticking down while you're chasing a survivor that has it.

    In theory, this should mean that the optimal way to play the legion is to stop following one survivor and switch targets. In practice, the flawed nature of the chase mechanic leads to a myriad of ways one can continue following the survivor inflicted with deep wound while not being in a chase.

    This turns deep wound from a mechanic that should reward players with a high degree of map awareness into a method of downing survivors with absolutely no counterplay. This would be drastically improved by tying deep wound to the killer's terror radius. While this doesn't completely fix the problem, it would make abusing it much less effective and more predictable.

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    • Member Posts: 1,119

      Yes, I agree. There is absolutely no counterplay to a Legion just following you backwards. Its the least fun thing in the entire game.

      That being said, he needs a buff to compensate the removal of one of the most effective ways to use him, as cheesy as it is.

    • Member Posts: 799
      If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms

    • Member Posts: 1,119

      @Malakir said:
      If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms

      Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.

    • Member Posts: 799
      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:
      If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms

      Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.

      If you want to. I don't mind

      It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)
    • Member Posts: 8,223

      I like this idea however I'm concerned with how it may work for small TR killers, or stealth killers like Wraith and Pig. They could potentially cause you to bleed out even faster by cloaking/crouching. Maybe if it is either chase or TR, then you get the same end result without having to make a special exception for the stealth killers.

    • Member Posts: 2,552

      @Malakir said:
      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

      If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms

      Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.

      If you want to. I don't mind

      It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)

      You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.

      OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.

    • Member Posts: 799
      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:
      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

      If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms

      Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.

      If you want to. I don't mind

      It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)

      You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.

      OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.

      Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose
    • Member Posts: 2

      Revert the change to the bleedout bar ticking down while mending, it should pause, then give Legion 115% movement speed and make mending take slightly longer. I really think this would fix a lot of their problems and would make their intended playstyle more effective.

    • Member Posts: 2,552

      @Malakir said:
      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms



Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.



If you want to. I don't mind

It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)

      You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.

      OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.

      Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose

      You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you.

      It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it.

      He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do.

      The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

    • Member Posts: 799
      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:
      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms



Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.



If you want to. I don't mind

It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)

      You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.

      OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.

      Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose

      You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you.

      It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it.

      He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do.

      The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I said that many times

      I think YOU don't understand especially after saying "it could be 100% it doesn't effect" ok dude whatever you say

      You want to ignore points and live in your fantasy world? Do it but you're playing another game if you think it works that way

      Hopefully when you'll have more playtime than 1week you'll get it
    • Member Posts: 1,474
      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:
      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms



Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.



If you want to. I don't mind

It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)

      You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.

      OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.

      Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose

      You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you.

      It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it.

      He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do.

      The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I’ve encountered moonwalking legions a few times, majority of the time I lose them in a chase because Urban Evasion is a perk I run 90% of the time. 
    • Member Posts: 1,131
      edited December 2018

      @ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:
      If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms

      Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.

      Since when is dbd a 1v1 game?
      Since when is 1 survivor should be as strong as the killer?
      You playing the wrong game if you think that you should be able to constantly loop and waste the killer's time for 5 gens and then run out the gate.

    • Member Posts: 838

      Agreed. It'll be fair to the survivor.

    • Member Posts: 799
      ReneAensland said:

      Agreed. It'll be fair to the survivor.

      4v1

      Read the patch notes since lunch and tell me when it was "fair" to killers

      Even the latest patch note is fine
    • Member Posts: 1,072

      @Malakir said:
      ReneAensland said:

      Agreed. It'll be fair to the survivor.

      4v1

      Read the patch notes since lunch and tell me when it was "fair" to killers

      Even the latest patch note is fine

      One time when we have a double blood moon

    • Member Posts: 1,832

      insidious becomes a mandatory perk on legion

    • Member Posts: 1,119
      edited December 2018

      @BigBubs said:

      @ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:
      If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms

      Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.

      Since when is dbd a 1v1 game?
      Since when is 1 survivor should be as strong as the killer?
      You playing the wrong game if you think that you should be able to constantly loop and waste the killer's time for 5 gens and then run out the gate.

      I think if a survivor is vastly, vastly better than a killer he should be able to loop him for 5 generators. If you think otherwise you think skill shouldn't be a component of this game, which is silly. No killer should ever be able to guarantee someone will go down in under a minute regardless of anyone's skill - that's terrible design.

    • Member Posts: 799
      DarkGGhost said:

      @Malakir said:
      ReneAensland said:

      Agreed. It'll be fair to the survivor.

      4v1

      Read the patch notes since lunch and tell me when it was "fair" to killers

      Even the latest patch note is fine

      One time when we have a double blood moon

      Yeah, they were going in the right direction with the patch before. (Vault changes apart)

      Then here we go again, one step forward and 4 backwards
    • Member Posts: 838

      @Malakir said:
      ReneAensland said:

      Agreed. It'll be fair to the survivor.

      4v1

      Read the patch notes since lunch and tell me when it was "fair" to killers

      Even the latest patch note is fine

      Hey. I'm a main killer, and I'm not a tunneler. It will be fair for ######### killers who do that stupid #########.
      That's why. I'll adapt and learn and still main a C class Killer at Rank 1.

    • Member Posts: 799
      ScottJund said:

      @BigBubs said:

      @ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:
      If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms

      Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.

      Since when is dbd a 1v1 game?
      Since when is 1 survivor should be as strong as the killer?
      You playing the wrong game if you think that you should be able to constantly loop and waste the killer's time for 5 gens and then run out the gate.

      I think if a survivor is vastly, vastly better than a killer he should be able to loop him for 5 generators. If you think otherwise you think skill shouldn't be a component of this game, which is silly. No killer should ever be able to guarantee someone will go down in under a minute regardless of anyone's skill - that's terrible design.

      This already happen btw
    • Member Posts: 2,552

      @Star99er said:
      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said: If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out. If you want to. I don't mind It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)



You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.

OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.



Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose

      You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you.

      It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it.

      He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do.

      The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I’ve encountered moonwalking legions a few times, majority of the time I lose them in a chase because Urban Evasion is a perk I run 90% of the time. 

      It is true I have the same experience. The problem starts when they equip bloodhound.

    • Member Posts: 2,552

      @BigBubs said:

      Since when is dbd a 1v1 game?
      Since when is 1 survivor should be as strong as the killer?
      You playing the wrong game if you think that you should be able to constantly loop and waste the killer's time for 5 gens and then run out the gate.

      Nobody said that the legion is a good or powerful killer. I am sure he also think he needs buffs as well. Even by doing this method, you won't guarantee 4k. We can all agree on that.

    • Member Posts: 799
      Delfador said:

      @Star99er said:
      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said: If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out. If you want to. I don't mind It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)



You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.

OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.



Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose

      You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you.

      It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it.

      He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do.

      The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I’ve encountered moonwalking legions a few times, majority of the time I lose them in a chase because Urban Evasion is a perk I run 90% of the time. 

      It is true I have the same experience. The problem starts when they equip bloodhound.

      Already debunked 25 times

      Keep posting about it won't change the reality
    • Member Posts: 1,119

      @Malakir said:
      Delfador said:

      @Star99er said:

      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

Delfador said:

      @Malakir said: ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:    If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms        Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.        If you want to. I don't mind    It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it) You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk. OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part. Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose



You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you.

It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it.

He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do.

The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I’ve encountered moonwalking legions a few times, majority of the time I lose them in a chase because Urban Evasion is a perk I run 90% of the time. 

      It is true I have the same experience. The problem starts when they equip bloodhound.

      Already debunked 25 times

      Keep posting about it won't change the reality

      What do you do when they have frank's mixtape and just follow you until their power comes back so you die 12 seconds later?

    • Member Posts: 799
      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:
      Delfador said:

      @Star99er said:

      Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:

Delfador said:

      @Malakir said: ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:    If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms        Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.        If you want to. I don't mind    It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it) You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk. OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part. Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose



You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you.

It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it.

He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do.

The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I’ve encountered moonwalking legions a few times, majority of the time I lose them in a chase because Urban Evasion is a perk I run 90% of the time. 

      It is true I have the same experience. The problem starts when they equip bloodhound.

      Already debunked 25 times

      Keep posting about it won't change the reality

      What do you do when they have frank's mixtape and just follow you until their power comes back so you die 12 seconds later?

      Use the search button. It's tedious write the same thing over and over
    • Member Posts: 1,119

      @Malakir said:
      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

      Delfador said:

      @Star99er said:

Delfador said:

      @Malakir said: Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:    ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said: If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out. If you want to. I don't mind It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)        You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.    OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.        Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you. It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it. He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do. The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I’ve encountered moonwalking legions a few times, majority of the time I lose them in a chase because Urban Evasion is a perk I run 90% of the time. 



It is true I have the same experience. The problem starts when they equip bloodhound.



Already debunked 25 times

      Keep posting about it won't change the reality

      What do you do when they have frank's mixtape and just follow you until their power comes back so you die 12 seconds later?

      Use the search button. It's tedious write the same thing over and over

      So nothing. Got it.

    • Member Posts: 799
      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:
      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

      Delfador said:

      @Star99er said:

Delfador said:

      @Malakir said: Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:    ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said: If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out. If you want to. I don't mind It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it)        You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk.    OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part.        Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you. It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it. He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do. The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I’ve encountered moonwalking legions a few times, majority of the time I lose them in a chase because Urban Evasion is a perk I run 90% of the time. 



It is true I have the same experience. The problem starts when they equip bloodhound.



Already debunked 25 times

      Keep posting about it won't change the reality

      What do you do when they have frank's mixtape and just follow you until their power comes back so you die 12 seconds later?

      Use the search button. It's tedious write the same thing over and over

      So nothing. Got it.

      Gitgud instead of being lazy pretending to be handed help from devs

      If you can't face legion it's your fault. If you can't even use the search button just proves me how lazy you are and cannot adapt
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      @Malakir said:
      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

      ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:

Delfador said:

      @Star99er said: Delfador said:

      @Malakir said:    Delfador said:

      @Malakir said: ScottJund said:

      @Malakir said:    If someone can't play against legion it's their fault

      I play solo and still see people (myself included) bullying him since he won't really h me without his power and with frenzy won't hurt me

      Idk why trying to cheese the chase mechanic has no counterplay since itself needs to not charge bloodlust or see you, movie ng at 110%ms        Please can we go into a KYF and show me how to counterplay me chasing you backwards while you bleed out.        If you want to. I don't mind    It's called stealth play and described what happens when you apply that

      If she moonwalks I can just hide wherever I want especially using ironwill (stealth perk in case you don't know it) You actually can't if he has bloodhound. He is new so not everybody has bloodhound but people are gonna get that perk. OP is right, although legion is very weak overall, there are no counterplays against him. He is really unfun for both sides for the most part. Even with bloodhound won't change much, he would still stuck at 110% Ms. The time he waste trying to cheese like that is huge. By the time he cheesed you down 4gens are popped

      Mend takes like 15s, not much and to chase you just by the blood with that speed is an auto lose        You don't understand. I am sure that no legion has done this thing to you.    It doesn't take too long to chase people with moonwalk. Also the legion's normal speed could be 100% instead of 110%, it doesn't affect it.    He hits you twice, you are at 70% deep wound state, the chase stops and he starts to moonwalk, bum 10 seconds later you are at 30% deep wound state. He again activates his power and downs you, there is nothing a survivor could do.    The whole process takes like less than 40 seconds, I would say 25-35 seconds and tbh, I don't know the counter to that. If you know please let me know and this is really not sarcastic.

      I’ve encountered moonwalking legions a few times, majority of the time I lose them in a chase because Urban Evasion is a perk I run 90% of the time.  It is true I have the same experience. The problem starts when they equip bloodhound. Already debunked 25 times

      Keep posting about it won't change the reality



What do you do when they have frank's mixtape and just follow you until their power comes back so you die 12 seconds later?

      Use the search button. It's tedious write the same thing over and over

      So nothing. Got it.

      Gitgud instead of being lazy pretending to be handed help from devs

      If you can't face legion it's your fault. If you can't even use the search button just proves me how lazy you are and cannot adapt

      Okay hop on. Show me how to outplay Frank's mixtape. steam://joinlobby/381210/109775240974932115/76561197983469443

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