Killer Concept - The Xenomorph

So much thought put into something. An amazing idea. But there's one problem. Survivors would complain about this non-stop, and BHVR is too scared to make a killer strong.

It can be a cool killer but as other comments said, it can be simplified to a doable state.

Still its pretty cool though. :P

Not really no, this game already has strong killers. Believe it or not, but many survivor players just don't want to go against overpowered killers, or killers against whom they don't have anything they can do to affect chases.

PH mini mori needs the survivor to be tormented to go for the kill, how about something akin BUT with a fair trade.

When a survivor its on the second hook stage and has at least removed 1 chestbuster its marked as a "treat to the hive", if the survivor its brought down to a dying state it will trigger the "apex predator". The alien will circle its prey for 5 seconds hissing in a treatening way (this is in line with the lack of a previous step, PH needs the tormented status, the alien doesnt need to use an atack, instead it pays with "time" to trigger it), during those 5 seconds the atack can be cancelled by survivors with a flash or similar efect that blinds the alien, past those 5 seconds the mini mori its activated and the alien kills the survivor (this is tought just an alternative idea, i do like your concept of the headbut triggering it as it needs an atack to make it happen)

I do se where you are coming from with the high camping potential of how the addon/perk works...but i defintily feel the wax part would be very tematic and in line with the alien. Perhaps instead the addon could work like this:

While being carried around by the alien, the creature secretes a special sticky wax wich covers the survivor. Upon being hooked the wax hardens on a type of coccon wich makes it harder to be unhooked. The teammate unhooking the survivor takes twice as long to save the other person and has to do a skill check, on a failed atempt it still frees the survivor but reveals its location for 2 seconds. The cocconed survivor its slowed down for 2/3/4 seconds by 5%

Not necesarily, i would say this killer could be cataloged as a short range heavy melee atack type, it doesnt really have many ranged atacks, its lung atack its in line with this type of killer (demagorgon as an example), but to make up for that it has a strong 1v1 game, it doesnt have a particularly strong map preasure as it cant be in more than one place or move tremendously fast trought the map (like nurse or hag), on the other hand it makes up for that with "debuffs" to keep the survivors bussy (chestbusters).

The tunneling part tough lets be honest, many killers can simply choce to do it, piramid head could be an example as he just needs two hooks to do that, and for what i know PH isnt in general a heavy tunel killer (regardless that i do has the potential) its more of the player behind it but thats just my personal opinion about it.

I would say the complexity its what makes it SO interesting. As a killer you would be constantly trying to keep the survivors off the medical areas so you can secure extra kills with the chestbusters, but at the same time would need to make sure you dont overcomit or they would work with the generators, the heigtened sensses on the other hand its tremendously in line with the alien, those things are super predators, you would need to comit as much as posible to your preys in order to keep them at bay, in the end the lack of map preasure can play againts you, so as a killer you would need to be smart and agresive to keep the survivors on their tows.

As a survivor you would need to also work a bit more as a team (something that lets be honest, the game needs more off), making sure your team mates have enought time to remove the chestbusters while working on generators.

I feel its a fair trade, killers have to fumble a lot of things mid game, making the survivors have a small taste of extra task doesnt sound bad to me, spices things up a bit

it's complexity would definitely make for an interesting and fresh killer, I agree. And to be fair BHVR definitely has been trying some more new stuff with Nemesis and Pinhead. Pinhead has this whole second objective going on with him, and his ability is also pretty interesting and unique, and Nemesis has Zombies and vaccines that make survivors last longer in chases. So who knows.

I guess it depends on the numbers on some of his abilities. But increased movement speed for example would give him a bit of map pressure, and a very good chase potential. That plus a chargeable lunge attack sounds a lot like victor, who is already very hard to counterplay, but he at least cant injure a survivor and then go after them to down them. So his chase already sounds strong, but then he also has a bit of map pressure, and a second objective that sounds like it could potentially be better than Pinhead's, and the ability to Mori a survivor after their second hook when hitting them with their ability, that sounds a bit too strong.

If a killer has increased movement speed that he can use during a chase, than he has to have some kind of downside as well while having that increased movement speed, or survivors will likely have very little counterplay against that killer. I guess if it was a 5% movement speed increase survivors would still have enough counterplay with enough loops in this game, but even just that together with the other aspects of this killers power could feel a bit too oppressive.

But yeah it really also depends on how much of a movement speed buff the killer gets, and how far the pounce ability would reach. I think the killer sounds great but with a dangerous potential of being op.

But one thing I completely disagree with is the Mori with Pounce after the survivor reached hook stage 2. I know Pyramid Head has the potential to do so, but hes the only one, and he at least has to make survivors walk through his rites of punishment trail. Being able to just tunnel the survivor off of hook without the fear of DS seems a bit much in my opinion. And it incentives tunneling also because it would allow Xenomorph to get rid of that survivor so fast and easy.

Some details i tink need to be adressed are:

Moving speed: i would say like most it should be a 4.6

Size i would say big, aliens are pretty tall when they stand up completly, but animatino wise i feel it would be hunching over and crawling a lot

Acidic blood instead of giving a limited amout of times to use the pallet, it could have a defined timer, say that after the pallet drops on the alien, it has 10 seconds of unlimited use before it melts, i feel this would be more tematic with the acidic blood as its super corrosive.

Heghtened senses needs some rules i tink.

For starters would it be a charges type of power or a resources one?. IF its a charges probably would need to have 3 as most and they refill with time, if its a resource it would be a single use bar that refills in time.

An alternative could be that the alien enters a crouching animation making itself smaller (like a cat sitting) when it activates the power, after that it takes say 1/2 seconds to reach the maximum of its range and gives back the information depending on the survivors, after that it enters the 4 legged animation with the speed burst, that would make for a literal "hunter" type of power, where it stops for a moment to pick out the movement around to find its prey. This would also be in line with a resources type of skill as it would deplete over time before needing a recharge.

The pounce needs some numbers definitly, i been looking at demogorgon and whe could use it as a base

Pounce:

• Pounce takes 1 second to fully charge.
  • Pounce must be charged to at least 65 %, otherwise The Xenomorph will perform a normal Lunge instead.
  • Cancelling a fully charged punce results in a cool-down of 0.45 seconds, during this time The xenomorph cannot interact or attack.
• Pounce boosts The Demogorgon's Movement speed to 460 % or 18.4 m/s, for a maximum distance of 11 meters.
• Pounce applies some efects after being used

• 3 seconds for a successful Shred attack.
• 2.25 seconds for a missed Shred attack.

  The mini mor the way you describe seems more viable with a cooldown, the big question would be how long before the xeno can use it again? 1/2 minutes?

  I do agree that by force having the survivor to have 2 hooks AND had removed a chestbuster at least one seems fair, but in the other hand being forced to not have one chestbuster inside (on second hook) seems like it would invite people to just ignore removing it, specially on late game as they would just try and rush gens and escape, negating the mini mori completly, i kind of feel this would make it tremendously hard to use it, specially since the impregnation of the chestbuster seems to take a good amount of time to trigger...an option for this would be that the time each survivor its impregnated by the facehugger doesnt completly reset making it so they have to remove the embrio.

  Time wise the pigs trap take 150 seconds to trigger and kill the survivor, they dont have secondary efects, for balance purpouses i tink the embrio should take about...2...perhaps 2.30 minutes? for a chestbuster to come out. That way it balances a bit the extra side efects of being impregnated with the embrio.

  On a side note, i just had an alternative idea for the mini mori. Each time a survivor succesfully removes an embrio it generates a token for the alien, this tokens work like this:

  Succesfully removing the embrio generates a token for the alien.

  The Survivor its imediatly marked as "dangerous prey", this meens that againts that single survivor, and a single time it can make a full charged Pounce atack for a full take down (if a pounce its successfull the survivor will be taken down from any state of healt to dying state). The token its consumed ONLY on a succesfull pounce.

  Removing an embrio a second time generates a new token for the alien.

  The survivor its marked as "treat to the hive", this meens that specific survivor its now elegible for the mini mori.

  In this way the alien its given a way to push survivors to take the embrios more serious, not only because the potential of being killed by it but also by becoming a treat to the give, this way survivors will have to be smart about when to remove the embrio. In a sense a bit like the plague puke, they can opt to not clean themselves and negate the plague its super puke.

Ah ok, so it is dodgeable for survivors, similar to Demo? So you can't reliably 100% dodge it but survivors know when he is about to use the pounce and can then try and predict when he will go for his pounce?

Also, is the cooldown just a recovery time, like when hitting a survivor with a basic M1, or is there an additional cooldown that is a bit longer?

And lastly, could the Xenomorph lunge normally while in his buffed movement speed stance? Because 130% movement speed is really strong at loops, making many of them pretty bad for survivors.

It does sound good though, even though I am still iffy on the diretc mori part. Just anything that further encourages tunneling is always something I don't personally like. Also, wouldn't that just incentivise survivors to not remove the chestburster until they have been hooked twice?

Only problems I see is what is already being said about simplifying everything down, but I'd also like to add that this killer concept has way too many passive and special abilities stacked into a regular game. If I played against this killer once I got hit the first time there really isn't any weaknesses to exploit to escape: If I get a pallet stun the pallet goes away eventually so the killer can just focus me so I'm stuck pre dropping pallets making it easy for the pred. to go around them and continue chase. If I get hit and I do escape I can be immediately sensed running- 32, meters walking-16+, meters crouching-12 meters whilst injured (couldn't find injured while walking stats) I do like the concept of it all but I think there should be some sort of vision penalty incorporated weakness to help counter balance this.

Now I know there are characters like doctor who have a "find them button as well" but it is a momentary and long cool down type of Ping. I'm pretty sure he also gets countered completely if iron will is ran as well.

Now while using heightened sense I think that movement speed should actually be decreased (like all other stalker like powers cause) so you aren't able to stalk and strike essentially at the same time, I believe this will sort of bring a balance to helping survivors at least get some sort of distance away if they manage to lose the killer.

I would scrap the ability to jump up to elevated vault locations as well as this will be a pain to program without fundamentally changing the games base code. It also adds a huge advantage in locating survivors on top of the senses. among other things.

pounce as it is, stacked with movement speed needs to take longer to activate as a reference point look at the twins or demo and how long the pounce takes (without any help) now decrease the pounce to 1 second and it's disgusting. and it it can be launched at 65% that's .39 seconds O.O.

The face hugger - implementation on scrounge hooks will have to be simplified to a Pseudo Pig's reverse bear trap type of system due too constraints on game time. Where you get hooked you have to either find a vaccine or some other kind of device to free yourself.

The royal jelly Portion of the mod would probably be presented like the Pastula pods where you extract it with a syringe like in the blight event.

The Apex predator ability of first time instant downing and next time killing isn't balanced well with the extremely fast pouncing and movement speed creating almost instantaneous tunneling kills if survivors elect to save their friends. You should incorporate some sort of way to remove the mark from themselves.

The instant mori you get from marked survivors the second time you down them with a pounce will definitely have to be changed it fundamentally removes the purpose of having mori offerings unless the infected hooks are all the basement hooks or some sort of thing to balance it out more.

I imagine running a backpack sort of build build with mobility and carrying perks so you can hit scrounge hooks essentially every time.

Tunneling and knocking out single survivors to tremendously increase pressure for fairly easy wins.

Hex: Hive Mind -

While this hex remains active, all other dull totems are 'activated' as well. If a survivor cleanses the wrong totem, the killer receives an audio and visual cue, only if that totem wasn't already a Hex Totem.

-Hivemind is competing with hex: undying but running both is an option with 2 other meta perks/hexes since this killer doesn't really rely on perks to win, making it a luck based Russian roulette sort of situation this will severely make the survivor community outrage. Especially if they get the hive mind hex and undying takes its place and continues it then they have to redo everything again whilst avoiding haunted grounds etc.

I'd make it a token system like devour hope for every token a lit totem activates as a hex totem however be warned lighting totems makes them easier to be spotted and thus easier to convert to boon totems.

Evolutionary Dominance -

Upon hooking a unique survivor, gain a token, up to 4. For each token, your terror radius in chase is increased by 2/3/4 meters.

Being stunned by any means, reveals that survivor for 1/1.5/2 seconds for each token when in chase and grants the Killer 30/50/70% increased lunge range on their next, 1/2/3 attacks in that chase. Attack Increase last for 30 seconds after chase ends.

-I was with you until you went way out and added 70% increased lunge range for multiple attacks. This allows over 10 meters worth of lunge for up to 3 attacks that is absolutely insane this coupled with coup de grace adds an insane 130% increased lunge making it a whooping 13.8 meter lunge O.O. (default lunge is 6 meters or 6.9 m/s)

Lost in Space -

Hooking a survivor causes all other survivors to suffer from the blindness status effect for x seconds.

• looks like a good perk every killer generally has a perk where you go meh too.
• I spent hours thinking and writing about this I hope I inspire some creativity!