Killers with bad map pressure proxy camp

Pretty much every low mobility killer is propped up by ruin if they want 12 hooks. A bad ruin spawn relegates them to camping and tunneling almost immediately.

As a killer you should be "proxy" camping. Letting survivors get easy unhooks is a 1 way ticket to losing the match, especially with a worse killer or against strong survivors. Of course don't over commit to defense or you'll lose, but there's a balance to be had. You need your hooks to give you pressure and free, easy unhooks, give you almost none.

Well yea, the ruin is kinda there for their protection

The whole point of killer is to kill people. A good killer will hook survivors in a deadzone they let the survivors create by using all the resources. If you dont want to die like you mentioned above dont let the killer force you back into a deadzone/ rush that way when you get hit. If you have to take a hit cause the killer is forcing you back into a deadzone do that, and use the speed boost to get to the other side of the map and save resources in that original area for later. The killer is not cheating, you are cheating yourself.

If you are low mobility you cannot leave and make it back before the survivor exits the deadzone, so you proxy camp. All killers need some kind of mobility, even if it locked behind a power like Oni, cause without it bad play-styles are encouraged against good teams. The mobility power can suck compared to their regular power but every killer needs something.

Proxy camping = defending. Nothing wrong with walking to a nearby gen then returning to ward off inevitable altruism.

Dude I'm talking about when you get right off of hook in the middle of nowhere and can't get past those first few feet to get into a loop. You're just talking about dumb survivors. There is a difference. You're trying to rationalize something to make it look like you have a point by using those as an example because that IS something you see but you know that's NOT what I am talking about. You KNOW the ones I am talking about. The hooks with next to nothing around it.

The ones that are a distance from a jungle gym / those big walled loops with pallets that only have a lit trash can and like two rocks near it type zones.

For me proxy camping is not a toxic mechanic if you don't use it for tunneling and you just want to chase the rescuer.

Also, if you have a three-gen and the hook is in the middle of the three gen of course you are going to proxy camp, even if you don't want to.

Sadly at the end of the day if a killer wants to do their best to win every match sometimes they need to resort to those tactics that they tried to protect the survivors from by bringing slowdown but it doesn't always work, sometimes you can only play "fair" because it happened to be convenient in the match you were in

Then they're idiots not using the correct term. If you go for the fresh unhook then you're tunneling, not proxy camping. If you go for the rescuer that's just playing the game.

Proxy camp is a thing.

Faced a Bubba who walked away every hook and returned every time. Just enough for terror radius to fade then comes back. This is how he scored every down aside from the first.

If someone hadn't already saved me from the hook and gone down, I would'nt have even bothered to try to save anyone but, I felt obligated not to let my teammate hang there.

I guess, I get it just seems kinda lame to me. By hooking a survivor you are already pulling at least two Survivors off main objective. If you have basically any reveal information you can pressure a third Survivor off main objective, that's a lot of pressure.

But no, just return to the hook to harass the same people who already aren't doing gens, whatever.

Here's an idea: they could just be trying to say that it's not fun for them to verse, which is quite subjective.

Plus, I think you're ignoring two major points in your reply.

If you're supposedly having issues finding people, then run a perk like Thrilling Termors, BBQ, or heck, even Surge or Whispers. There are a lot of good perks to track down Survivors as Killer. It takes it from a wild goose chase to consistently knowing the location of others.

To add to it, there's also the point of the fact that you can still maintain pressure by going after someone who didn't just come off hook. Especially if you're running like a Sloppy/Thana build. If you harrass someone off gens, they can't just continue to sit on them for free, and the survivor who just got unhooked both gets to now have a little bit of a chance to play the game, and gets to make some choices of their own- heal up, do side objectives, lose DS, etc.

Idk, I just don't think that the idea of 'Playing smart' as you put it, or as it seems to me as 'Play for the 4k/4 man out', is very fun for either side, and isn't really something to be encouraged unless you actually are in a situation where it's necessary, (You know, like against high level SWFs that will make you cry yourself to sleep for the next 5 years.) But in my experience, they're rare.

Idk man, I've seen more then my fair share of games where the Killer has sworn Genrush when the gens weren't at all being rushed by toolboxes (as none were brought) and the team had no secondchance perks outside of like, two exhaustion perks and a BT. And the gen rush just came from them doing poorly.

At the same time, I'm not saying it's just the Killer's job to play fair. I just think that you reap what you sow. I don't play super hard gen rush when I play Survivor unless we actually have to in order to consider an escape. (Because, I would also like to point out here that there are plenty of Killers in the roster where I've seen their counterplay- both in playing against them, playing as them, and on the forums- revolve around either genrushing or hoping they play poorly.) However, I do think that, if you're a Survivor that stacks a hard meta build every game (DS+UB+DH+ whatever other perk suits your fancy), BM's constantly, and gen rushes at any possible point, you shouldn't complain about Killers who go just as hard- and the same goes for Killer. If you stack hard, nasty builds against Survivors, I don't think you should complain about Survivors going equally hard.

However, I personally don't play like that on either side, because I find it boring as sin to play as and against, and it doesn't really get me anything. (Because, like, there's no real win condition in this game. All we have is a rank system that everyone knows is flawed, and everyone's own ideas as to what a win is. I personally could care less if I escape or get a 4k if I either get decent points, had fun, or got an archive challenge done. That's the w for me, but there are plenty of people who base it off of Kills or Hooks.) So, normally I'll run weird, off-meta builds (Normally either randomized perk builds, or something weird that I enjoy- with the occasional meta perk or popular combo (Like vault speed build, or Devour Undying)), and I will slow up if the Killer or Survivors are struggling and they aren't being rude. (Like a group of Survivors BM'ing while playing like they don't have eyes won't get mercy, but everyone else will.) I'm the Killer who will bug off and let a full reset happen if I'm annihlating at 4 gens, and the Survivor who will make it my sole purpose to do every side objective but gens if the Killer is obviously struggling and has barely gotten a hook with 2 gens left, and possibly let them kill me in EGC if I either ran them for too long or they didn't get a kill.

Idk, I just think that if you wanna play sweaty, and 'For the win', that's cool and all, but I can't support it on either side. I find it boring, and I think that doing so kinda just encourages other people to do it, which I don't think is fun for anyone. (Like, we've all seen tournament play. That's high level DBD. Do we really want every game to be Spirits and Nurses camping, with every Survivor pre-throwing pallets and doing nothing but holding M1 most of the game? Cause I definitely don't, and I think that's the kinda gameplay the style encourages.)

Again though, I'm not saying it isn't a two way street. But at the same time, I think that playing like that on either side is kinda what encourages other people to play like that, and I don't like encouraging the cycle.

(I should also note too that there's a difference between running a meta build here and there and running one every game, bc I also get playing one out of frustration. I just think that there are just as many games of people who aren't playing for gen rush, or anything like that, where the game is more so lost because of mis-plays that people like to ignore. A great example being the amount of Spirit's I've versed with meme builds who swear Gen rush, when they had gen slow-down perks and never used their phase for anything but mobility. Or the Survivors who swear facecamp or tunnel when their teammates wouldn't pull aggro and you didn't see anyone with BBQ.)

(Also, I apologise if this is rambly or a bit incomprehensible, I am awful at just trying to get straight to the point, haha.)

If youre saying hag, pig, bubba, and trapper have bad map pressure then you need to get good.

I can 3-4k with any of them easy using at best pop as my only slowdown perk.

Yeah you are right. I should spend my first gen or two clearing out a bunch of pallets, then put a survivor in the middle of that deadzone, and then just walk away to the other side of the map (by the time I get over there the gens will probably be done anyways).

Then I can chase survivors through another slew of pallets around an area with little or nothing to defend.

Fantastic strategy, 10/10 survivors approve.

Exactly, like i said its for killers who arent confident in chase, like you.

Well I like to make the assumption the survivors I’m playing against are not bots who will go down in 10 seconds because I looked at them. That’s about how bad the survivors have to be to get away with playing nice on half the maps in DBD unless you are spamming top tier killers every game.

Well I hate to break it to you but making good decisions is just as much part of “playing good” as being mechanically skilled in chase.

And let’s be real, it literally doesn’t matter how good you are in chase if you are going around safe pallets with plenty of the killer roster. If the survivor isn’t terrible, you can’t hit them there. It’s as simple as that. You have to brute force through them, and that takes time. Time you probably don’t have if you are spending 30-40 seconds walking all the way across the map between chases.

I don’t care about camping and tunneling as survivor unless the killer is Nurse or Spirit, everyone else is fair game. Especially when DS exists. Why? Because I can actually loop; and if the team is doing gens it’s 3 gens for 80~ seconds of chase. 80 seconds is sooooo easy to do on sooo many DBD maps. You don’t even have to loop! You can hold W and predrop and still last that long and if it takes that long for your first hook the game is practically won.

So the survivor can play better too, and not be going down so fast that getting camped to death is a viable 4K strat in the first place.

That’s why I’ll never feel bad about camping and tunneling, and I’ll stop doing it when it stops working. Simple as that.