I won't sugarcoat it, devs
I know you don't like it when you continue to get negative feedback, but sorry, that's your own fault, because Legion is a fiasco.
With the Legion, you have created the perfect Killer for Survivor mains who can't be bothered to git gud. Legion is so immensely bad, that you don't even have to be any good at the game whatsoever to escape from him. His kit is hurting him more than it is useful to him. You wouldn't believe how many times I was just about to press M1 and strike down a Survivor with Feral Frenzy, when that excuse of a power ran out and I went into fatigue and got a pallet smacked on my head.
He is fun to play you say? Not even a masochist would call playing him fun, Legion is mostly one thing: frustration.
Heck, I'll actually switch back to playing Freddy after this. He's stronger than Legion.
Even Survivors laugh about how bad he is and quite honestly, that should tell you everything. Survivor mains who usually cry for literally every Killer mechanic to be nerfed to bits LAUGH about Legion. What the hell were you thinking when you created him?
I usually love your original Killers, but this one is a catastrophe. It took the Spirit 3 Patches to get up to where she is today. I do hope that Legion won't need that many. Legion might have been a strong Killer in the slow-paced games of 2016, but definitely not in our fast-paced ones of today. Deep Wound doesn't seem to affect Survivors at all. Gens are so fast that those 15 seconds fail to amount to anything and considering how slow he is out of Feral Frenzy and how long it takes him to down Survivors with it, those 15 seconds are probably more than compensated and I dare bet that NOT using his power at all probably leads to better games with him.
Rant over.
I think Legion has potential, I truly do, regardless of the boring power that is Feral Frenzy, but currently, he's a joke.
In terms of game-play, I'm thoroughly disappointed with this Chapter. If not for the decent Perks, I wouldn't have bought it.
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Oh and don't get me wrong, my games' kill rates ranged anywhere from 1 all the way to 4 kills tonight, in purple ranks. But I can tell you, that I did not enjoy playing a single one of them.
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He's terribly designed. I'd be embarrassed if I had released Legion in the state he's in, it's sad. Like you said, even Freddy is better and that's pathetic. At least Freddy moves at normal speed and doesn't need 4 hits to down someone.
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For once we agree.DocOctober said:Oh and don't get me wrong, my games' kill rates ranged anywhere from 1 all the way to 4 kills tonight, in purple ranks. But I can tell you, that I did not enjoy playing a single one of them.
I think his power needs to not reset like spirits. I.e. if he only uses half a bar befofe you press cancel, then it should resume recharging from half way.
The stun duration could be reduced a little bit too.
It felt like a pain in the ass using him.5 -
I have a complaint because playing against them is awful, Julie and Susie aren't thicc enough for having been apparently designed to chase you backwards.
Besides that i agree, first DLC i will skip.10 -
It's so weird playing as Legion. You have a knife. You stab them when they're injured, but you're in frenzy mode so it's not a "real" stab and they don't go down. Given how terrible their power is for securing downs, I'd just use frenzy for mobility similar to Hillbilly's chainsaw. But then it's like, why not just use Billy instead?
Also it's pretty annoying playing against Legion too. Getting hit once by frenzy forces you to heal through two bars for the price of one hit! Seems like the definition of fun standing still and holding M1 for 30+ seconds, doesn't it?
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it's really funny when people try and defend them by saying stuff like "oh you need to do this and that and jump through these hoops and you can eventually down someone so he's good!" when you can just pick billy and stick a chainsaw up the survivors ass
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Honestly, they could stick to a "spy" killer, a "mimic", or whatever you call it. It would be much more fun than this. Don't know why they changed their killer concept to the trash we see today, they did not even have time to create new trailer or even change the name of the chapter.
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Personally I don't dislike Legion, but they have a flaw big as a house: if a survivor is injured or healthy it doesn't matter at all, the effect of the frenzy will be always the same. I had matches where I kept injuring all the survivors, but then I was forced to either not use my power and being looped or using the frenzy 3 or 4 other times. In both the cases I felt I was handicapping myself.
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@White_Owl said:
Personally I don't dislike Legion, but they have a flaw big as a house: if a survivor is injured or healthy it doesn't matter at all, the effect of the frenzy will be always the same. I had matches where I kept injuring all the survivors, but then I was forced to either not use my power and being looped or using the frenzy 3 or 4 other times. In both the cases I felt I was handicapping myself.thats the major problem but you didn't mentioned ds or new borrowed time yet, if both effect for first survivor , you might have to camp for 1kill
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He's a killer designed from a survivor main. He generate an artificial sense of danger to keep survivors excited but he cannot do good without a lot of time investment.
Disgusting.
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These are the devs who think it's fine for 4 man swf to abuse the OoO perk for basically wallhacks.
You think they give 2 shits about balance? No, everything in this game is designed to give the majority (survivors) fun at the expense of the minority (killers).
Who was it who said killers arent meant to be killers, just a buffoon who entertains the survivors for a few minutes like a ######### party clown. Right now that feels pretty damn true.4 -
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530
@Janick said:
HelloDeep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap.
Thanks for the feedback.
~speechless~
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@Wolf74 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530@Janick said:
HelloDeep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap.
Thanks for the feedback.
~speechless~
The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
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RSB said:
@Wolf74 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530@Janick said:
HelloDeep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap.
Thanks for the feedback.
~speechless~
The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
In a way, Janick is like Legion.3 -
@DocOctober said:
RSB said:@Wolf74 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530
@Janick said:
Hello
Deep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap.
Thanks for the feedback.
~speechless~
The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
In a way, Janick is like Legion.
Slow and unable to do anything?
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I thought more along the lines of "a joke". Whenever he posts something, with very few exceptions, I hope that he isn't being serious. Like that reply mentioned above. "Not there to down them." I'm sorry, but considering his kit, that decision is not justified.RSB said:@DocOctober said:
RSB said:@Wolf74 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530
@Janick said:
Hello
Deep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap.
Thanks for the feedback.
~speechless~
The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
In a way, Janick is like Legion.
Slow and unable to do anything?
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@DocOctober said:
RSB said:@DocOctober said:
RSB said:
@Wolf74 said: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530
@Janick said:
Hello Deep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap. Thanks for the feedback. ~speechless~ The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
In a way, Janick is like Legion.
Slow and unable to do anything?
I thought more along the lines of "a joke". Whenever he posts something, with very few exceptions, I hope that he isn't being serious. Like that reply mentioned above. "Not there to down them." I'm sorry, but considering his kit, that decision is not justified.
Of course it is not justified, but as we all know, the devs don't know their own game and let R21 players test it before the release, so we can't expect nothing better.
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@DocOctober said:
RSB said:@DocOctober said:
RSB said:
@Wolf74 said: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530
@Janick said:
Hello Deep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap. Thanks for the feedback. ~speechless~ The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
In a way, Janick is like Legion.
Slow and unable to do anything?
I thought more along the lines of "a joke". Whenever he posts something, with very few exceptions, I hope that he isn't being serious. Like that reply mentioned above. "Not there to down them." I'm sorry, but considering his kit, that decision is not justified.
not mean to down with his power but he's also 110 ms which means that he's meant to down with his power
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@RSB said:
Honestly, they could stick to a "spy" killer, a "mimic", or whatever you call it. It would be much more fun than this. Don't know why they changed their killer concept to the trash we see today, they did not even have time to create new trailer or even change the name of the chapter.So basically an alternate Wraith.
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The messed up thing is, watching Scottjung play him last night, he moonwalked for viability. It's dumb that it works.
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One of Janicks posts reached 70-80 LOLs (Record?) before Clyde spontaneously decided to come back from the dead to remove that feature.DocOctober said:
I thought more along the lines of "a joke". Whenever he posts something, with very few exceptions, I hope that he isn't being serious. Like that reply mentioned above. "Not there to down them." I'm sorry, but considering his kit, that decision is not justified.RSB said:@DocOctober said:
RSB said:@Wolf74 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530
@Janick said:
Hello
Deep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap.
Thanks for the feedback.
~speechless~
The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
In a way, Janick is like Legion.
Slow and unable to do anything?
I wasn't born yesterday.3 -
@ChesterTheMolester said:
DocOctober said:
RSB said:@DocOctober said:
RSB said:
@Wolf74 said: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530
@Janick said:
Hello Deep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap. Thanks for the feedback. ~speechless~ The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
In a way, Janick is like Legion.
Slow and unable to do anything?
I thought more along the lines of "a joke". Whenever he posts something, with very few exceptions, I hope that he isn't being serious. Like that reply mentioned above. "Not there to down them." I'm sorry, but considering his kit, that decision is not justified.
One of Janicks posts reached 70-80 LOLs (Record?) before Clyde spontaneously decided to come back from the dead to remove that feature.
I wasn't born yesterday.
Oh, which of his posts reached that amount? I would gladly read it to make my day after 12 hours of work... .
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usually when a new killer gets released i save up BP or farm them with a different killer, just to get that newby up to lvl 50 and get the perks (and then P3 lvl 50 all perks them if i enjoy them), but id rather get my freddy done instead of starting to level up legion at all...
like, not even his perks are worth getting...
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I believe it was the "delayed insta-down Killer" post. There must be a good amount of witnesses to check it if you care.PureHostility said:@ChesterTheMolester said:
DocOctober said:
RSB said:@DocOctober said:
RSB said:
@Wolf74 said: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/238530#Comment_238530
@Janick said:
Hello Deep wound, in concept, is to create pressure and waste Survivors time, not to down survivors, similar to Reverse Bear Trap. Thanks for the feedback. ~speechless~ The fact he dodges every uncomfortable question really gives something to understand.
In a way, Janick is like Legion.
Slow and unable to do anything?
I thought more along the lines of "a joke". Whenever he posts something, with very few exceptions, I hope that he isn't being serious. Like that reply mentioned above. "Not there to down them." I'm sorry, but considering his kit, that decision is not justified.
One of Janicks posts reached 70-80 LOLs (Record?) before Clyde spontaneously decided to come back from the dead to remove that feature.
I wasn't born yesterday.
Oh, which of his posts reached that amount? I would gladly read it to make my day after 12 hours of work... .
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Man...at this rate Legion is going to get crazy buffs...and then I'll have an even easier time 3 to 4 manning every single game like I have been. Sweet lol
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than why you didn't wrote your personal ideas for this killer,
just cry about new killer without any idea solve nothing
also before reset ranks monthly, most players plays at red rank not a purple
cause current rank system can both rank up killer and survivors
i respect all ranked players but you said you keep played in purple so it can't be objective view
its no problem itself but you just wrote like your thought is absolute thing
i saw it from words you chose its so arrogant and lengthy, idn why you had to rambling around so much
without personal idea for new killer, its just annoyed me and not productive at all
you wrote lots of posts from this official site, but its not a dedication
so please reduce your pride and talk like normal person
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This made me laugh, because the irony of your accusations are hilarious.randomkoreangamer said:than why you didn't wrote your personal ideas for this killer,
just cry about new killer without any idea solve nothing
also before reset ranks monthly, most players plays at red rank not a purple
cause current rank system can both rank up killer and survivors
i respect all ranked players but you said you keep played in purple so it can't be objective view
its no problem itself but you just wrote like your thought is absolute thing
i saw it from words you chose its so arrogant and lengthy, idn why you had to rambling around so much
without personal idea for new killer, its just annoyed me and not productive at all
you wrote lots of posts from this official site, but its not a dedication
so please reduce your pride and talk like normal person
As for suggestions, I gave them long ago directly to the QA team, the perk of having a direct contact with one of their members. I see no need to repeat them here as well and besides, there are already a lot of suggestions floating around the forums that I endorsed.
And fyi, the rank crap you let out is hilarious. Purple ranks don't differ from
Red Ranks. I get lobbies with mostly Red Rank Survivors up there. As for why I personally wasn't
in Red Ranks yet is because until last weekend, I haven't played the game since Hallowed Blight.
While your comment in general is #########, it nevertheless made my day for being absolutely ludicrous with the irony in it. Thanks for that :P3 -
Even if you should be trolling, theBloodyNights said:Man...at this rate Legion is going to get crazy buffs...and then I'll have an even easier time 3 to 4 manning every single game like I have been. Sweet lol
Legion discussion is not about wanting to get more kills, but to improve his game play. You should know that unless you're one of those pseudo Killer mains.
Kills do not equal fun. I don't care if I get 4 kills. If the game play leading up to that was filled with frustration and anger at how ######### his mechanics are, I want those to improve.2 -
@DocOctober said:
you didn't played game? thats explained everything
it meant you didn't played much and seems also unkilled with your recent posts
but you want to argue about new patches and write this page without point
are you even thinking?
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i didn't wanted to tell about yourself, i just told you missed real points
and your posts looks like barking at empty air, so i said you should say something like normal
you might attention some people but it doesn't a solve problem
without real opinion why you had to wrote so long and empty?
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The whole "deep wound" things needs to count as a injury and have any perks that help with that effect it. For both killers and survivors.
Also gimme that 115% speed.3 -
@randomkoreangamer said:
@DocOctober said:
you didn't played game? thats explained everything
it meant you didn't played much and seems also unkilled with your recent posts
but you want to argue about new patches and write this page without point
are you even thinking?
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, - take it and use wisely, kid. My eyes hurts, when I read your #########.
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Maybe you should put more effort into understanding English.randomkoreangamer said:i didn't wanted to tell about yourself, i just told you missed real points
and your posts looks like barking at empty air, so i said you should say something like normal
you might attention some people but it doesn't a solve problem
without real opinion why you had to wrote so long and empty?
I didn't say that I never played the game. I did play the PTB a lot, but those games are outside of the normal game, hence why they don't count towards my Rank or progression.
And really, who the hell are you even that I should care about your opinion? You're only here to argue because you don't like my post, you created your account specifically for that. Your priorities are quite messed up and you should really not be pointing fingers.
Here's a pro tip for you: if you don't like my thread, you are free to leave. No one forces you to read or participate in it.3 -
Mark my words in 2 weeks no one even remember legion that same like clown.1
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@DocOctober said:
BloodyNights said:Man...at this rate Legion is going to get crazy buffs...and then I'll have an even easier time 3 to 4 manning every single game like I have been. Sweet lol
Even if you should be trolling, the
Legion discussion is not about wanting to get more kills, but to improve his game play. You should know that unless you're one of those pseudo Killer mains.Kills do not equal fun. I don't care if I get 4 kills. If the game play leading up to that was filled with frustration and anger at how ######### his mechanics are, I want those to improve.
Well fun is subjective isn't it? I don't have fun playing Billy, but I have fun playing as The Legion. I don't have fun playing as the Huntress by I enjoy Michael Myers. I think it's a lot of fun running all around the map, injuring multiple survivors, and playing smart. Just like I think it's fun stalking, and peak a booing out of no where with Michael. Getting 3 to 4 mans in most games in my opinion is a testament to the killers balance regardless of if you think it's fun or not. But hey if you want to make him stronger by complaining about a killer I personally think is just fine go ahead. The community thinks he is trash tier bottom of the barrel garbage, I think he/she is good. That just means when he gets all of those buffs it will make my job even easier. I do however slightly fear that the smallest change to Legion could easily make them overpowered. I still think they should have said his difficulty is hard in game.
The only real buff I'd give Legion is when they injure someone in feral frenzy who already has deep wounds that Legion doesn't stun themself at all. The survivor simply get the sprint burst from the hit and then it's a normal chase again instantly going back to 110% movement speed.
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@BloodyNights said:
@DocOctober said:
BloodyNights said:Man...at this rate Legion is going to get crazy buffs...and then I'll have an even easier time 3 to 4 manning every single game like I have been. Sweet lol
Even if you should be trolling, the
Legion discussion is not about wanting to get more kills, but to improve his game play. You should know that unless you're one of those pseudo Killer mains.Kills do not equal fun. I don't care if I get 4 kills. If the game play leading up to that was filled with frustration and anger at how ######### his mechanics are, I want those to improve.
Well fun is subjective isn't it? I don't have fun playing Billy, but I have fun playing as The Legion. I don't have fun playing as the Huntress by I enjoy Michael Myers. I think it's a lot of fun running all around the map, injuring multiple survivors, and playing smart. Just like I think it's fun stalking, and peak a booing out of no where with Michael. Getting 3 to 4 mans in most games in my opinion is a testament to the killers balance regardless of if you think it's fun or not. But hey if you want to make him stronger by complaining about a killer I personally think is just fine go ahead. The community thinks he is trash tier bottom of the barrel garbage, I think he/she is good. That just means when he gets all of those buffs it will make my job even easier. I do however slightly fear that the smallest change to Legion could easily make them overpowered. I still think they should have said his difficulty is hard in game.
The only real buff I'd give Legion is when they injure someone in feral frenzy who already has deep wounds that Legion doesn't stun themself at all. The survivor simply get the sprint burst from the hit and then it's a normal chase again instantly going back to 110% movement speed.
A small minority of people doing well with a weak Killer is no grounds not to buff them, just as a small minority of people doing well with a strong Killer is no grounds to nerf them.
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