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Legion is going to get nerfed
I can already tell, the DC's against legion are just insane!!!! They are going to look at the stats and think that legions kill rate is too high when it's really just DC's. Seriously, we don't need another Freddy, it happened once and I really hope it doesn't happen again
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People DC against Legion because they're not fun to go up against. You're doing one of three things against them:
1. Spending too much time gen rushing
2. Spending too much time mending (which is also holding M1)
3. You get tunneled out of the game because they just use their power to rush you down.
This doesn't mean they're strong. They're still pathetically weak. But it means that they can tunnel really well, the dead opposite of what they designed them to be.10 -
Why do you think he's going to get nerfed, besides people DCing against him? I'm seeing higher DC rates against my Spirit than any other killer.
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They dc because he's more annoying then doctor and the game could go on for more then 30 minutes. Also it shows that dc isn't being punished as much as it should be.
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@Maximus7 said:
People DC against Legion because they're not fun to go up against. You're doing one of three things against them:
1. Spending too much time gen rushing
2. Spending too much time mending (which is also holding M1)
3. You get tunneled out of the game because they just use their power to rush you down.This doesn't mean they're strong. They're still pathetically weak. But it means that they can tunnel really well, the dead opposite of what they designed them to be.
This. The tedium of mending and then healing any time you take a feral fury hit is a drag. Its not that Legion is a challenge. Just tedious.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
@Maximus7 said:
People DC against Legion because they're not fun to go up against. You're doing one of three things against them:
1. Spending too much time gen rushing
2. Spending too much time mending (which is also holding M1)
3. You get tunneled out of the game because they just use their power to rush you down.This doesn't mean they're strong. They're still pathetically weak. But it means that they can tunnel really well, the dead opposite of what they designed them to be.
This. The tedium of mending and then healing any time you take a feral fury hit is a drag. Its not that Legion is a challenge. Just tedious.
Not challenge, just tedious is the best explanation tbh.
And they thought that the legion was fun for both sides.
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I haven't really noticed a difference. Seems about the same as any other killer.
In fact so far I've been getting more "gg wp" than usual. The matches go on longer too.0 -
@HellDescent said:
They dc because he's more annoying then doctor and the game could go on for more then 30 minutes. Also it shows that dc isn't being punished as much as it should be.I haven't come across a 30 minute game against Legion yet and I hope I don't start seeing that either. Playing a long game against Doc is bad enough.
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Yeah, he's like Freddy, not fun to play against and at times not fun to play. To think they mad him to be "fun". Yeah, they're a mess. Cool concept but not greatly executedMaximus7 said:People DC against Legion because they're not fun to go up against. You're doing one of three things against them:
1. Spending too much time gen rushing
2. Spending too much time mending (which is also holding M1)
3. You get tunneled out of the game because they just use their power to rush you down.
This doesn't mean they're strong. They're still pathetically weak. But it means that they can tunnel really well, the dead opposite of what they designed them to be.0 -
Spirit isnt likely to get nerfed though, she excels greatly at chases and is fantastic at map pressure but shes not "unfun" to play against. Legion on the other hand is everything survivors hatesteezo_de said:Why do you think he's going to get nerfed, besides people DCing against him? I'm seeing higher DC rates against my Spirit than any other killer.
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Hm, it's just from most of the matches I've gotten to play and all the videos of people playing him (especially Tru3) theres almost always 1 DC.The_Crusader said:I haven't really noticed a difference. Seems about the same as any other killer.
In fact so far I've been getting more "gg wp" than usual. The matches go on longer too.0 -
I've always felt Freddy gets too much flack. All he needs is for Self-Care to not be able to ever wake up a survivor, then he becomes a pretty damn good killer with the right builds. Then again, I usually slug as a lot of killers (and my favorite killers have always been the ones who can slug well), so my opinion on Freddy is probably skewed (he can slug insanely well, even at base).PhantomMask20763 said:
Yeah, he's like Freddy, not fun to play against and at times not fun to play. To think they mad him to be "fun". Yeah, they're a mess. Cool concept but not greatly executedMaximus7 said:People DC against Legion because they're not fun to go up against. You're doing one of three things against them:
1. Spending too much time gen rushing
2. Spending too much time mending (which is also holding M1)
3. You get tunneled out of the game because they just use their power to rush you down.
This doesn't mean they're strong. They're still pathetically weak. But it means that they can tunnel really well, the dead opposite of what they designed them to be.
Legion, though, is so dependent on Frank's Mix Tape and either Third Seal + Knock Out + Thanatophobia or Ruin + M&A + Thanatophobia that it neuters any possible build combinations. I get not having exposed work with his power, that would be busted, but mending not being a healing action ruins so many possibilities. I'd rather have seen mending considered as a healing action and NOT implement the change to Deep Wounds where the bar goes down even while mending. That would have made Legion more fun.0 -
Yeah, glad to know others think similarly. Legion needs changes but for survivors it seems he's just as annoying as DocMaximus7 said:
I've always felt Freddy gets too much flack. All he needs is for Self-Care to not be able to ever wake up a survivor, then he becomes a pretty damn good killer with the right builds. Then again, I usually slug as a lot of killers (and my favorite killers have always been the ones who can slug well), so my opinion on Freddy is probably skewed (he can slug insanely well, even at base).PhantomMask20763 said:
Yeah, he's like Freddy, not fun to play against and at times not fun to play. To think they mad him to be "fun". Yeah, they're a mess. Cool concept but not greatly executedMaximus7 said:People DC against Legion because they're not fun to go up against. You're doing one of three things against them:
1. Spending too much time gen rushing
2. Spending too much time mending (which is also holding M1)
3. You get tunneled out of the game because they just use their power to rush you down.
This doesn't mean they're strong. They're still pathetically weak. But it means that they can tunnel really well, the dead opposite of what they designed them to be.
Legion, though, is so dependent on Frank's Mix Tape and either Third Seal + Knock Out + Thanatophobia or Ruin + M&A + Thanatophobia that it neuters any possible build combinations. I get not having exposed work with his power, that would be busted, but mending not being a healing action ruins so many possibilities. I'd rather have seen mending considered as a healing action and NOT implement the change to Deep Wounds where the bar goes down even while mending. That would have made Legion more fun.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
I can already tell, the DC's against legion are just insane!!!! They are going to look at the stats and think that legions kill rate is too high when it's really just DC's. Seriously, we don't need another Freddy, it happened once and I really hope it doesn't happen againDisconnects are not tracked as kills in their stats. Although I do not think you can get accurate data from such stats alone (like the failure of For Honor and their "stats").
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NO GOD, NO GOD PLEASE NO, NO, NOOOOOOO
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I have no problem playing as legion or going against. The match does not feel long at all. And Legion not being fun to play as or against is an opinion, not a fact.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
I can already tell, the DC's against legion are just insane!!!! They are going to look at the stats and think that legions kill rate is too high when it's really just DC's. Seriously, we don't need another Freddy, it happened once and I really hope it doesn't happen againSurvivors still DC against doc.....
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@Master said:
@PhantomMask20763 said:
I can already tell, the DC's against legion are just insane!!!! They are going to look at the stats and think that legions kill rate is too high when it's really just DC's. Seriously, we don't need another Freddy, it happened once and I really hope it doesn't happen againSurvivors still DC against doc.....
and doc got a nerf so he might get nerfed again (lets hope not)
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I actually think his better addons will get nerfed. He's already weak. It's his addons that make him actually threatening... and only one addon that does it.
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I'm getting tired of pallet slamming legion and running away it got old like yesterday.0
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@SpaceCoconut said:
I actually think his better addons will get nerfed. He's already weak. It's his addons that make him actually threatening... and only one addon that does it.let me guess, inderesent button or stab studys (I think that is the name)
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Some players DC on being downed or even just hit once. I'm not sure how "unfun" Legion can be, their chasing is pretty fast paced and intense, regardless their lack of overall effectiveness.Master said:@PhantomMask20763 said:
I can already tell, the DC's against legion are just insane!!!! They are going to look at the stats and think that legions kill rate is too high when it's really just DC's. Seriously, we don't need another Freddy, it happened once and I really hope it doesn't happen againSurvivors still DC against doc.....
Like @HellDescent said, the answer lies nI cracking down on DC-ing players, not in any nerfs or buffs.0 -
@alivebydeadight said:
@SpaceCoconut said:
I actually think his better addons will get nerfed. He's already weak. It's his addons that make him actually threatening... and only one addon that does it.let me guess, inderesent button or stab studys (I think that is the name)
No, Frank's Mix Tape is probably gonna get nerfed hard. It allows Legion to down with his power.
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@Maximus7 said:
People DC against Legion because they're not fun to go up against. You're doing one of three things against them:
1. Spending too much time gen rushing
2. Spending too much time mending (which is also holding M1)
3. You get tunneled out of the game because they just use their power to rush you down.This doesn't mean they're strong. They're still pathetically weak. But it means that they can tunnel really well, the dead opposite of what they designed them to be.
It's not just that but chases against legion are unfun and unsatisfying, they are either a tunnel stab fest that drags on or just a poke and run.
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@Maximus7 said:
@alivebydeadight said:
@SpaceCoconut said:
I actually think his better addons will get nerfed. He's already weak. It's his addons that make him actually threatening... and only one addon that does it.let me guess, inderesent button or stab studys (I think that is the name)
No, Frank's Mix Tape is probably gonna get nerfed hard. It allows Legion to down with his power.
I was gonna say something about making him strong but I changed my mind, that definitely will get nerfed
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I find Legion fun .. Not my main, but fun to mess around with. I keep getting curb stomped by survivors atm (that's not fun) but I'm sure with time I can improve. I like matches that go over 5min, those are fun. 5 min teabagging SWF teams are not fun for me. Yeah, I just want to play and have fun.
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I played around 10 games on ps4 with legion and nobody did DC ...
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Am I seriously one of the few people who loves to face Legion? I window juke them and it's so funny watching them swing the opposite way and miss and get the Nurse stun. I laugh so hard. I have as much fun facing Legion as I do facing the Spirit because they're both so scary and yet so funny to juke.
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If someone is having so much trouble facing Legion that they have to DC, then they should honestly stop playing. Legion is way too easy to beat.0
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@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
If someone is having so much trouble facing Legion that they have to DC, then they should honestly stop playing. Legion is way too easy to beat.It is not about challenge at all, I rather face nurses for that matter.
Whenever they do that moonwalk, I just roll my eyes. It is so boring yet it is the most effective and efficient way to play the legion. I can't blame killers for that at all.
I rather get downed by a nurse in 20 secs. At least I would know that she put a lot of hours and became a very skilled killer in the first place.
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That's the issue with Legion. Their skill ceiling is so incredibly low that even if you play perfectly, a good survivor team will destroy you every single time.Delfador said:@Doc_W__HOLLIDAY said:
If someone is having so much trouble facing Legion that they have to DC, then they should honestly stop playing. Legion is way too easy to beat.It is not about challenge at all, I rather face nurses for that matter.
Whenever they do that moonwalk, I just roll my eyes. It is so boring yet it is the most effective and efficient way to play the legion. I can't blame killers for that at all.
I rather get downed by a nurse in 20 secs. At least I would know that she put a lot of hours and became a very skilled killer in the first place.
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Doc's or Spirit's DC rates aren't under the proverbial microscope at the moment, though... Legion's, at this crucial point in time, most certainly is. We've already seen what feedback is taken into account compared to stats like DC rates. And now that the "moonwalk exploit" is pretty much common knowledge... well, it's not looking good for the Little Rascals.
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I find matches against Legion to be good fun if the Legion is playing how they should. If they are bouncing from Survivor to Survivor inflicting them with Deep Wound and keeping the chase going on the last one, it can be a tense match as I always fear I'll be the next target when I see that Deep Wound meter appear under someone's name. When the Legion just tunnels one person when the others are around, then things aren't fun. But the same can be said for any Killer so that's not really special to Legion, s/he can just do it really well.
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