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Buffed Wraith is just not right
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No one has ever experienced 2 totems gone in 2 seconds. Don't act like Killers have no power whatsoever.
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wraith is wrongly buffed in my opinion he gets less punished but awarded to much with his lunge.He is like a huge victor that you cannot kick he is hard to dodge creates deadzones so quickly both undetectable and fast at the same time these doesn't even fit any killer who is undetectable is slow this is how it should be giving both to him is wrong you can sneak up on a survivor quickly destroy gyms while cloacked he can bamboozle windows he doesn't have a counter play those who say he is will say actually gonna tell you to play super save that's not a counter play that's using resources faster yet he can be defeated he is just the most toxic killer that's all ı hope they fix him
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uhhhhhhh me I have.
Because sometimes survivors spawn right on top of a totem.
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just flashlight him bro
he has a built in counter to his power
He is 1 out of a handful of killers you can directly counter with an item.
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I can speak just for myself, but I don't bring any item into the match besides for a challenge of course. That is infact a counter, but more like an RNG counter since I don't know which killer I am facing and with luck maybe I get once through a chest but if the wraith isn't a toast he can easily counter that by.. not walking in the flashlight beam.
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That is still no 2 seconds nor do all survivor spawn on top of every totem.
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I kicked a generator while cloaked and triggered blast mine which brought me out of cloak.
people saying wraith has no counter are 100% lying
No other killer can be countered by a blast mine as bad as wraith
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oh excuse me I wasn't literal. it's more like 10-15 seconds but it feels like 2. It also takes me 30 seconds to get across the damn map so literally nothing I can do to even defend that totem.
My bad.
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It is counterplay. You vault until he unclocks and then force him to break the pallet unclocked, thus not benefiting from the speed break add-ons he can have. He then either has to chase unclocked or reclock and then unclock again which all wastes time.
You can waste a lot of wraiths time that way. If you are giving him a hit off of the vaulting when he unclocks then you are misplaying that situation.
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nobody should have to bring an item to counter a killer and a good wraith will be able to avoid flashlight burnes flashbang are so powerfull against him but same story that's not right everboyd doesn't need to use any kind of flashes as a survivor you don't know which killer you are up against so you build something can counter in general wraith is out of general he can counter sprint burst which is BS and so easy to play compare with nurse no game mechanic work on her but no advantage(speed for example) of other killer she has and missing a blink will cause to fatigue wraith has those adventages yet punishment is very few due to his speed
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I really want to see it since in my mind it doesn't make sense at all. Someone sended me a video with Tru3 vs. oracle or whatever where someone did this, but he could break it invisibil after 3 seconds since the game still gives you the option to break it if you click fast enough as the killer. And this still is based on what palett you are using since some are so unsafe that he simple can you hit on both sides. So no, this is still no counterplay. 3 safed seconds just to get hit a few seconds later is not counterplay. Maybe I am dumb, then please just show it to me.
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and no killer should have to deal with how broken comms are but here we are.
If your team doesn't bring at least 1 flashlight then who's fault is that?
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Even with the buffs wraith still isn't as good as spirit.
it sounds like to me survivors just want an easy killer they can meme on and bully again.
Now that survivors can't meme and bully the 2 players that played wraith before buffs it's no longer fun for them.
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spirit is another disccusion bud ı don't like the spirit as well but ı don't see spirit like in arow ı don't even see them often but wraiths are everywhere and yeah wraith is not fun to go against yet this doesn't have anything with bullying he should ve been buffed in a diffrent way this is not right like you bullied wraith to much now it is his turn to bully you ######### is this tougth make thing rightfor both sides not for one when it is changed he was weak and he is not yet unhealty for the game in my opinion
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you don't see spirit often because she's hard to learn.
so everyone saying "spirit is braindead easy" are lying.
if spirit was easy to learn everyone would be playing spirit over wraith
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That alone shows that you don't read the thread nor have you understood it. Please don't waste my and your time with things that you make up your own.
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spirit needs nerf and you are wierd pal
there was a time when everybody uses spirit it passed now time is for wraith this will pass too spirit is not braindead the issue with spirit it has really doesn't have a counter play lets compare these two killers you see wraith coming towrads you you can make a choice where to go cuz you know where the mf is at you may get hit quickly due to his powers and you ll see like yeah ı got outplayed or tile was weak you got the hit anyway with a spirit you see her and she phases good luck to you have no path to go cuz you have no idea what's going on you have to guess but she got clues where you mght be breathing maybe even injure sound scrath marks this makes spirit uncounterable you just have to guess all you can do is that In my opinion both of these killer right now is needs a rework
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is it wrong to have an uncounterable killer?
almost every survivor perk are uncounterable to the killer.
almost every survivor perk counters a killer perk and power
comms counter killer perks and powers
comms are uncounterable
almost every killer power and perk are counterable.
1 uncounterable killer = oh no we can't have that! Stridor (not even meta perk) now no longer counters the top tier meta iron will.
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And that is, again, not even true. Many perks have counters either through other perks, addons or killers themself. Don't start an argue about this since it has nothing to do with the topic. The Spirit is not the topic, so please don't waste anyones time or spread misinformation.
The problem is that things have counters or are even uncountarable. I think killers should have counterplays that are NOT consistent, so you can counter it, but not every time / the killer has some options left. But now please back to topic.
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Right you say that but they changed iron will to no longer be countered by stridor.
less and less survivor perks are counterable these days
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You said: "almost every survivor perk are uncounterable to the killer."
Which is indeed not a little bit true. Just a try to be overdramatic with how survivors perks are. Not the topic and still has nothing to do with what this whole discussion is.
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can u please name 1 or 2 uncounterable survivor perk
it is off the topic ı don't wanna make thing looks complex but ı'm god damn curious what are those and what can make you think like that cuz u just talking like you got destroyed a lot and then came here to complain about everything in this game
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iron will (recently updated to be uncounterable now)
dead hard (yeah yeah just "bait it out" the distance and iframes is the real problem)
kindred
small game
counterforce
plunderer's instinct (hoarder was suppose to counter this but removed after ptb)
spine chill
Resilience
slippery meat
keys/hatch
borrowed time
unbreakable
that's just a few of them, there's more.
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DS wasn't changed in 3 years and it was pretty much uncounterable back then
and despite not tunneling people we were still being punished with that uncounterable perk for 3 years
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Don't forget comms, the "5th survivor perk."
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of course, is it not a 5th survivor perk?
it's a free perk slot and it's worth 20+ survivor perks.
I'm telling you right now if comms didn't exist survivors wouldn't have DS, DH, unbreakable and iron will builds they would need to add some info perks but because of comms that saves them 20+ perk slots allowing them to pick the 4 most broken meta uncounterable perks.
Why do you think soloq has such a hard time playing? Well they don't have 20+ perks. They stuck with 4. Even if soloq has a DS, DH, unbreakable and iron will build it won't help them that much because they have almost no info.
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You're right.
We should nerf Pig.
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Can you guys please leave this thread? Like you are spreading again missinformation and all of your argues are useless. Ever heard of the Status effect "Blindness"? Yeah I thought so.
The topic is about the Wraith and not about your guys small ego where you need to discuss things that have nothing to do with.
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Iron will --> they still leave pools of blood you can track them using those
dead hard ---> saaid urself just wait a few secs and some killers add ons makes people exhausted tehre perks for it too
if u think u need to counter kindred you are just a camper
small game ---> just a perk tells you there is a totem nearby and if u play enough you ll learn all the totem spawns and you won't need it so it is useless perk you don't need to counter it
counter force---> it is just a better small game thrill of hunt counters it totem cleanse speed
plunder ---> just like totems you can know where a chest will spawn and for the items franklin counters it only key is uncounterable which is known by all of us
spine chill---> moonwalk where you wanna go
resilience---> thanaphobia and dying light most of the slowdown perks can counter it
resilience spine chill combo fast vault built--->bamboozle,crowd control even maybe cruel limits it is ######### one tbh but it may counter at some points
why the hell you would need to counter slippery meat? it is just more attempts on hook luck of it still remains very low
key and hatch are not perks
barrowed time---> you wait until it goes or be a good killer and go for the unhooker
unbreakable---> they can only use it once and if still u don't want that to be happen don't slug you don't have to slug if u are concerned about DS it means you are tunneling and it is their way of counter your tunneling and you deserve it if u camp
ı'm pretty sure others has counters as well
and ı'm not gonna answer after this post since it is not the topic unless you open up your own disccusion if u do pls inform me about it
I'm really sorry the person who started this discussion this was the last one no more off topic talks
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Any killer short of an extremely experienced nurse would be annihilated by oracle. Tru3 is not a great example either for the peak of killer skill, he slips up pretty often. This video says little about wraith.
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'No one should have to bring an item to counter a Killer'.
Uhh...what? So, what? You think you should have a button to lightburn Wraith out of his cloak? A mechanic to turn off Bubba's chainsaw? Maybe a button to trip Legion while he runs around?
The Killers with built-in counters are trash-tier. 'A Survivor thought about me last Tuesday and I lost my stealth' Ghostface, for example.
The Killer is supposed to be strong. An unstoppable force. Survivors should 100% need help (via items) to shut down their powers. Anything else takes away the Killers threat and makes them a joke.
...Which makes sense; Survivors would want every Killer power to have an easy-off-button so they can win more.
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so your saying it is gotta item based to counter a killer if someone doesn't bring that item that player gonna be suck ? what a really good gameplay it is huh incredible idea from a killer main
and keep in mind that niether bubba nor legion's counter is not items
''The Killers with built-in counters are trash-tier'' nurse has a counter play blight has counter play and they are powerfull
a killer's being strong doesn't mean they should be unstoppable both survivor and killer should win a game without help that's the gameplay wh plays better wins that's it this just means you are salty not killers are joke you can't win every game
and killers always want an unstoppable power if killer is gonna be unstoppable there is no point of playing the game and yet there are only 2 unstoppable luck based thing in this game first is key the latter is spirit
Wraith's buff is wrong cuz he is fast undetectable you can't get distance on him so his having a ######### counter is wrong he was weak still not the best but unhealty for the game he is litterally not getting punished for his mistakes nurse misses a blink fatigue happens survivor got the secons cahnce blight misses the shot gotta have to wait for his power back until then he is a m1 killer wraith missed a hit no problem cloack again and use another 9231983129 km lunge wraith is a wrongly buffed killer
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Let's not forget the fact you will NEVER meet a Wraith who doesn't body-block.
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I am sure you do, but please tell me what counterplays he has or how I should go against him then? I srsly want to know and get better.
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Nurse and Bubba don't have any built-in counterplay other than awareness. You're entire post is false, but congrats on trying to sound like you know what you're talking about. You failed, though. Don't feel bad; pretending to know how to balance DbD is a common trait amongst Survivor mains.
Ghostface has counterplay; you look at him to cancel his power. You can't cancel or counter Bubba or Nurse's power. Well, that's not entirely true, I think you can cancel a nurse charging her blink with a flashlight.
But continue to pretend you know what you're talking about. I mean, you clearly don't, but that never stops Survivor mains from thinking they know everything and control how the game should be balanced.
Wraith is fine; you have no clue what you're talking about. Maybe learn what 'counterplay' means before trying to insist on balance changes. Dodging and awareness aren't counterplay; they're common sense that applies to all Killers.
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You are really rude for no reason and not even the slightest helpful. Btw he was right about Nurse: You can actually burn her with a flashlight, which no one is doing since it takes long and is hard to do, but you can do it. Right now you are the fool here with your attitude and how you talk people off without giving them real advice. And he was talking about BLIGHT not Bubba - you smartass should read peoples comment a bit more carefully.
Just to remind you: At the end, this thread is NOT here to nerf another killer who clearly has everyright to be finally a strong and good killer. It's more about "Is the possible range of your hit after coming of your invisibility and what can a survivor do in a 1v1 against a wraith" and is it fair and where should he maybe still get buffed or tweaked. This has NOTHING to do with survivors no everything better, I mean this thread is here so people can discuss and share their experience with others or atleast with me - because I want to do better.
All you do is shittalk people from a position where you think you know better, you are rude with no reason and not even the slightest helpful with even sharing false information. Who has ruined your day that you have react like this? This is not about any survivor or killer sides thing. A killer should be in the best case be FUN and STRONG for BOTH sides.
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First of all thank you for your advice. Spine Chill makes of course sense so you can try to hide but the problem is more about getting chased.
I don't tend to drop pallets immediately since paletts are way too important especially against wraith, but imo his speed if he uncloakes is so strong that I cannot loop him IF their is no window. So either I drop the palett or get hit depending on which side he comes and how bad or good I played it. The tip with vaulting is something I need to try still.
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Nerf his addon and his uncloak lunge. No reason he needs either with that amount of speed and stealth.
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killers only camp/tunnel because killers have NO MOBILITY and are INCREDIBLY WEAK
what else are they going to do? Slowly walk across a giant map and patrol some generators only to have them go off before they even get there?
Why come to them when they can come to us?
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Counter''play'' it is not wrong what i said it doesn't have to be canceling killers power it can be a move (a play style just like in the name of the word itself)against the power so conguralations to you on trying to make up your fault
nurse goes only one way with blink and obstacles makes her guess and this creates a counterplay for a survivor for bubba just vault the window and even locker has a chance of saving you these are counterplays counterplay doesn't mean your perks do the work or killer's power is being gone
about wraith ı don't think he is op or smt like that just think about nurse she misses and she pays for it.Bubba hits and obstacle with his chainsaw he pays for it wraith's power is unlimited and only way for a survivor to make him not use his power is flashlights flashbang etc. and giving buff to those is wrong in my opinion cuz he is not weak anymore powers he has doesb'thim pay for his mistakes i think everything should be skill based and wraith's power is not skill based it is just multiple free hits and ı don't think this is right wraith has very good add ons bc he used to be weak and the ystill remain people use those use bamboozle and use wraith just like bubba no mindgame go fast sneak up see through walls with add on body block survivor bamboozle vaults survivor has very little to do when all these combined yeah survivor can do bunc of thing but not like a normal killer every pallets goes faster and soemtimes as i said before you don't get to vault places due to body block or bamboozle even very decent tiles becomes unsafe against him all of these are together without any punishment is not right man
and just wanna tell that I play both sides so ı want both sides to be fair that's all
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that's definitly what i think but hiding agianst a wraith is might not be the best idea since there is add on that makes him see you and it is used so common ı ve never seen a wraith that uses ######### add ons you have to be cahsed but cahses are shorter or waste of resource are much more and mingames are even harder cuz he is fast af
and thx for the support man i appreciate it
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If comms were removed survivors wouldn't do a coordinated BT body block.
if comms were removed UB survivors wouldn't be able to tell their teammates they'll just get up with unbreakable, don't bother healing them.
If comms were removed they wouldn't be able to tell their team they are baiting the killer into a DS so do not body block the killer.
the effectiveness of those 3 perks are magnified with comms. and I know they are using comms because every single time a survivor goes for the unhook during EGC and I down them their other teammate goes as far away as possible knowing that the guy I just downed will just get up again with unbreakable, every single time.
because the other survivors at the exit gate aren't going for the heal on the downed survivor because they know he has unbreakable.
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Wraith is fine now.
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Are you that ignorant? Do you have any idea how demanding killer is?
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perhaps killers should be balanced around comms to make it fair
like the new wraith
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when it comes to the lunge this is how wraith has always been. The lunge duration was increased to 1.25 due to the fact that they also increased the movement speed penalty while uncloaking. He can still be mindgamed at most pallets and when it comes to the tiny pallets he can super lunge around there’s nothing wrong with wraith being strong at small loops. The only problematic thing about wraith is all seeing blood.
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"He can still be mindgamed at most pallets" I really want to see it that. Explain me which mindgame you can pull if they uncloak up your ass. What option do you have their besides using the palett or getting hit?
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corrupt intervention should be basekit
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Depends on the wraith player honestly. Personally I notice a lot of wraith players I go against respect pallets extremely hard while cloaked since he gets stunned for like 5 seconds if you drop it on him.
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Honestly i agree with this, solo q is just not fun anymore im on the fence of whether i should wait for another patch or just drop this game all together, my enjoyment is just slowly going downhill and its not coming back.
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