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Not playing both roles is a handicap
Playing only Survivor or only Killer will severely limit your potential on both roles.
To play optimally against a Killer, you have to fully understand their mechanics and playstyle. You will not get enough from experience playing against them if you never play as them and vice versa with Survivors.
Counterplay options are different on both sides as well as the experiences. Anyone that doesn’t play both sides will be stuck at a much lower skill ceiling from lack of experience.
Are you a Killer main that hates Dead Hard? Play Survivor for a week and run Dead Hard religiously.
Are you a Survivor main that hates Hag? Play Hag for a week and really try to understand what makes her tick.
Long story short: learning from experience is key. If you don’t have enough experience with something, you will undoubtedly struggle more than someone that is more familiar. Play both sides and you’ll improve substantially more than you would sticking to only one.
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Playing 500 hours of solo survivor made me a really good killer by default just because I saw how good survivors looped certain killers and I knew how to counter that. After playing killer for about 100 hours I was a significantly better survivor as well because I learned about powers/perks that I didn't understand before. I agree that you really need to play both sides to be your absolute best. It's crazy how many people in random SWFs will call killers cheaters because they don't even know about stuff like bbq.
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Agreed, 100%. This is especially true of killers like Nurse and Spirit, which some people like to claim "have no counters".
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No with survivor only users as long as they play long enough they can learn how counter every killer. The only thing that playing killer would help them is learning what add-ons do and lesser used perks do. But overall survivor only users can perform well vs most killer so long as the teammates are competent. But yeah I would like it if both sides only users would play a little of each side so they can see the struggles of both sides.
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I really can't believe how many people there are with like thousands of hours of only one role.
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Clown has no counter to his sexy tummy. No matter how much I play him in order to try and train myself to resist, I still get sucked into the allure of his rotund form whenever I face him as a survivor.
The same with Michael and his sexy legs when he wears that glorious hospital gown.
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It's always easy to see who does and does not play both roles on these forums. I started playing killer back in 2016 and after probably 100 hours I realized I should play survivor as well to help me understand killer better. Now I have around 1900 hours as killer and 1700 as survivor and playing both sides has helped me with both immensely. I always roll my eyes, laugh, or just shake my head when I see "mains" post on these forums. Killer mains think survivor is so easy and survivor mains think killers are unbalanced. If everyone played both sides these forums would actually be productive and not the same regurgitated hyperbolic threads over and over and over.
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I've played killer a bit, but I personally don't enjoy it. It's not too hard or yucky or anything like that, it's just less fun for me to stalk than to survive. It's probably a symptom of the types of games I usually tend to play.
I agree that you learn a lot playing both roles, but at the same time, I wanna play the game the way that I want to. And I don't really wanna grind out a role I don't like just to learn things that I can already pick up just by participating in the game regardless and researching or asking questions when necessary. It's a slower process of learning the game, but I'm in no rush.
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It gets too easy to feel sorry for yourself when you main. I survivor main and I fell into that sort of trap in the past, but it's really ridiculous. There's one user I see post a lot that talks about survivors as if they're some kind of political threat lmao
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I mained Wraith before he got his super-lunge.
I live for handicaps. IN GAMES! 😅
anyway u = right
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I mean, a good Nurse will just delete the survivors.
And Spirit truly doesnt have a counter, since she basically gives no info regarding her phasing, and her addons make it even harder to figure her out.
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I try to play both roles although killer is just not fun past rank 7
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The best way to learn how to counter a killer is to play as them. People love to say Nurse breaks the game, she has no counter play. I say "That's bull#@$% because good survivors manage to juke me when I play as Nurse."
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Flipping a coin isn't a counter
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You are right.
But i hope you dont get mad when you get camped, since you play both roles, you should know why does the killer camp.
When i play survivor and get focused/tunneled and camped, i dont get mad. Not even a little. You know why? Because i understand.
Wish all players got this mentality :/
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Thank you for proving my point.
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Very true. Also, it feels like they're only playing half a game, even though they paid for a full one. It's like buying RE2 to play Leon, but then ignore Claire.
The way nearly everyone will get the best experience, learning and satisfaction for the game is by playing both sides. If someone is better as one side but not the other, then this is the way to improve.
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Tell us then, whats the counter to Spirit, cause right now, its pure luck.
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I wouldn't say I never play killer. Occasionally I can be bothered, but it's the exception. Not mainly because the game is (debatably) heavily survivor-biased. But in a survivor "team" of 4, if 2 or even 3 of them happen to play like headless chicken, you can still do your own thing as the 4th. And have some fun at least.
As killer, not so much. Worst case, you're stuck with 4 complete turds who can't even fathom the concept of fun in a game. And are sweatily tryharding like their RL depends on it. And no way out for you except maybe for the (obvious) DC. Or perhaps just going AfK.
Also the hilarious joke that is matchmaking... Having gotten the first green perk for the third perk slot finally, as a rank 18 killer you get thrown into a match with 4 fully kitted survivors with 4 purple perks each and rank 8 and above every single one. of them. On a relatively new killer, oh joy!
After one of those (which happened frequently), I usually take a long break before touching a killer again. And that's not even factoring in that aforementioned 4 players might be trolling or bullying you that whole time.
On a side note, that also makes it rather unattractive to bother unlocking a new killer when I barely play the old ones. On the other hand, I can totally empathize with killer players DCing when some of my fellow survivors behave like complete twats.
So yeah, it somewhat widens the perspective playing both roles. I'm unfortunately just not enough of a masochist to commit more to playing killer. Can't be bothered on my (limited) available playtime.
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It's been far less a problem for me, it seems. I hear what you're saying about the matchmaking, and that it's forever been dodgy (although rank isn't always an accurate indicator of skill). That certainly is something newer players need resolving, because someone who recently bought the game does not want to go against the very rare death squad, let alone people with many more hours than they have. It's easy to see how it puts people off.
The DC/ afk angle I won't pretend to understand. I've been caught up in bully squads before, and actually persisting has at least improved my knowledge and at best I've taylored my style to take them all out. Cocky people make a lot of mistakes, especially of you bait them into thinking you're not good, or luring them into a 3 gen due to greed. But dc'ing because of that isn't something that I'll ever bother with.
It boils down to how you wish to play. I enjoy both sides and love learning new techniques or understanding individual playstyles. That helps me become empathetic and understanding from both sides. Plus, I've never had the circumstances you've talk about to such an extent that it feels like a regular occurance. It's just a shame that it's not allowing you to get a good opportunity to enjoy the game at its fullest.
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To be fair, a lot of maps dont offer the counters that are needed against Nurses and Spirits, let alone that you have to consider the fact that most times, you dont have any form of communication with your team.
Assuming communication and teammates who know how to play with everyone equipping meta perks, yeah, Spirit and Nurse have some counterplay. But excluding meta perks? They dont really have counterplay.
I'm a terrible Nurse(played her less than 10 hours), I equipped her 2 worst addons, I dont have meta perks on her. I was still able to get a 2k before the final gen was finished. All players had 500+ hours in the game.
That's "having no counterplay" pretty much means. They are killers that can quite easily force a hit where no other killer can, at pretty much no cost.
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To know your enemy, you must become your enemy.
To beat spirit you most become the spirit.
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I played enough Nurse to know that she has no counter (if we exclude "Genrush", which is the counter to every killer)
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I prefer to have my body in one piece and not being pretty much naked.
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Yep, all this game needs now w is a perk that lets survivor players pretty much teleport. Like these killers.
/Irony overload
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