Why tunnel players with a key?
This is a genuine question, cause I see people say on a regular base they'll automatically tunnel someone with a key out of the game.
And i'm sitting here wondering -why-
cause, people, you are giving the survivors an advantage:
- If they are a swf, not only have you now given them a place to store the key, you also gave them the means to navigate the other players of the swf to the key and the hatch once it spawns. which now is a gen earlier.
- even if they are not a swf you have now given them the hatch a gen early as well as a definite place to pick up the key.
It'd be better, tactically, to play without any tunneling and corral the survivors away from the hatch.
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I think its more about making sure key user has a bad experience than winning for them. Who knows
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2 hooking everyone before killing anyone is also loosing the match unless the survivors are extremly bad.
Also i want the key user to have a terrible match.
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possible. cause as said, tactically it's a major disadvantage. especially if the keyholder is decent at chases.
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and here they are even admitting it.
Y'know, if you'd trust in your skill and hone them you can very well get your 9-12 hooks in without any bms against good players.
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It is not about winning, it is about sending a message.
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That's just not realistic, honestly if you tunnel someone out early say before they do 3 gens then you are in a very strong position against a team of 3 and they just lost they're backup plan on the move. It being on the ground is significantly better then it being on a survivor cause you can watch the key too and they'd have to get it unless they brought multiple keys.
Not too mention teams that plan around a key escape usually aren't very good.
Also yeah people will tunnel key users just to bm them for bringing an over powered item.
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what, that you lack the skill to not care about a measly key?
'overpowered'
let's see:
- requires a certain number of gens to be done
- requires the players to find the hatch
so, even if they bring a hatch offering... they still have to get all these done first... which can can usually do pretty easily while you're busy chasing the keyholder.
heck, judging by the justifciation I'd say some people bring a key as distraction, and you people are falling for it. wow
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Survivors with a key, obviously want a short match. Killer just makes sure, that it is one.
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I generally try not to tunnel or camp, because I try to keep the fun of survivors in-mind when playing. To me, a key (especially a last second switch or a map offering alongside the key) tells me that the survivor doesn't care about the killer having a fun match, because even having a key present creates immense stress. I've had so many fun back-and-forth matches where there was one gen left with two or three survivors remaining ruined because of a key. So for me, if given the chance to chase the person with a key or another survivor, I'll go for the one with the key.
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A lot of survivors run protection addons on key which prevent it from dropping.
Plus if they are not in a SWF, often no one will go pick the key up.
Plus if someone does go pick the key up, they are wasting time not doing gens.
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'short match'
alright, how long do your matches take without a key? if you play without any bm?
'stress'?
How exactly does it create 'stress'. Because stress is a reaction to something that threatens one's wellbeing. Like e.g. a deadline being pushes a week early when the project is something that's urgently needed. not 'oh i didn't win one match of an online game with flying colours'
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The killer is just helping them leave the game early. why else would they signal that intent with a key?
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Mass slugging is a better counter to keys imo.
Play normal at the beginning without killing people and then when there is 1-2 gens left look for the 4 man slug
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I'm not saying it's an ungodly amount of stress, but a key in the match adds one more thing that you have to manage in a game that's about seconds. I personally don't like having to worry about two or three survivors escaping if I'm doing well because they decided to bring an item. I have no issue loosing a match, most of the time a survivor escapes, they outplayed the killer. There's nothing skillful about a survivor hiding the whole match and then opening the hatch with their key.
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"Measly", ok bruh
Keys are OP not because they give you an easy escape but because it makes killer play differently even when there is only one key. And it's not like something stops survivors from bringing 4 keys to have aura reading all the time.
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Exactly, people always do this and complain that keys are too easy for Survivors to escape.
Except, tunneling and camping will just mean a 3 man escape anyway so you've just contridicted yourself as a killer if you do this
Not to mention if you pressure heavy and protect your gens, which most killers I see never do then the key will not be used, I've had many games where the killer does well but only one man escapes through the hatch with a key after it's been closed. Unlike the 3 man escape.
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Depends. But the gates are usually powered within 5 minutes or less.
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I prefer not getting robbed of kills just because someone brought a specific item into the match.
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I played with many survivors who brought a key and they worked on gens, helped others and when the exit gate were powered, they looked for the hatch to escape on their own unless they gave a sign to follow them. but most of the time, they just escaped on their own.
I find it fair because those players didn't waste time looking for the hatch, and didn't cause the death of a teammate on purpose.
Usually they are leaving two or one survivor behind at the end game, the killer have some chance to kill one more.
Sometimes there is no choice but to escape through the hatch early if two are injured and one of them is about to die. it's not for an easier game as people say. if the key is in the game is probably meant for such cases.
If players have turned the key to something “dirty” like a toxic flashlight, that's why killers are against in the first place. they don't want keys to exist in the game.
Do they just want 4K, that's the point? 🤷
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Look what you've made me do.
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Tunneling against a key lobby:
- If done efficiently enough will result in a far easier situation to prevent the hatch from spawning to begin with. No Hatch means No key escape.
- If you manage to apply it to the key user, the location of the key is now known to the killer and if the hatch spawns means they need to locate it and retrieve the key.
- Also, if the key user has Weaved Ring? Now the key is out of your lobby completely and actually quite a bit of people that use keys combine it with the add-ons to not lose it.
How is not killing a survivor to then scare them away from the hatch even a good tactic? In that situation all 5 gens are completed and they can use one of the exit gates instead, as they now have 3 exit options.
The tactic you suggest actually is far more useful to apply when you tunneled a survivor out and even better the key user, as you just have 4 spots to defend: 3 gens and 1 key, if they manage to get the key = corral the survivors away from the hatch and try to down the survivor with the key as far away from hatch as possible, followed up by slugging most likely or another tunnel. You simply have an additional exit to defend and the additional objective that opens that exit; which naturally is the whole annoying part but that is what it means to play in a key lobby.
Most likely slugging the key user over and over and over again and try to get a mass slugfest going on is the 'better' tactic, but doubt you would really be happy with that either.
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Because they deserve that for bringing or taking the most OP item.
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just helping them leave the game early thats what they want
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The survivor has already made the decision that they want a fast game. So, I give them what they want. It's a 1v1 at that point.
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I don't. I slug everyone.
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Because i enjoy playing the game without having some neanderthal skimp out on his teamates so he can get a free win. I Tunnel key users, and will always give somebody in a key lobby the hatch. They deserve to watch everybody else have fun while their sweat nets them an instant loss.
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Let's play for hooks, I guess, and ignore the free escape the keyholder gives everyone. That'll end well. 🙃
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You have to be really cocky to even equip a key these days. And i get it, it's really cheeky.
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It's funny, I guess everyone who talks about keys here, largely refer to SWFs. In Solo Q, if someone brings the key, 90% chance they will screw over other survivors to save themselves and make it easy for a killer to pick us off lol. I had a match where the Exit Gates were powered, and the key holder was in a 2 man and just left us flat (Killer had slugged one, the 2-man SWF left through the hatch, I was the only one left up and Killer was high mobility). We died of course. No one left to help.
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I like that idea. Something I am going to have to try.
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Early escape = Early kill
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Because key users come in 2 flavors, for the most part:
- Those who abandon their teammates to get a hatch escape.
- SWFs who will use the key to leave the match early with their friends.
Both must be fed to the Entity as quickly as possible.
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Ah yes camping and tunneling is BMing and holding a key means they are good players.
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Lol 😂
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If survivors wanna end the match early than i’ll gladly help them. Survivors who bring in keys are not confident that they can reach the endgame.
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I wonder....
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Haha key go brrrr
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Because theyre generally the ones who will do very little for their team/just want hatch to escape through. Many people see it as a cheap way of 'winning' as well since a lot of people don't think you should be able to escape if gens are still in play.
Its basically a 'F you' to the survivor who brings a key because they're obviously bringing it for a quick escape/at the very least a backup option. And normally, if the player who brings it is smart, he'll drop it somewhere in the map and come back to it when he needs it/if he's still around at end-game. They're not just going to run around with it, lol.
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You’ll also get those survivors that will do absolutely nothing all match but hide, and then go for hatch once it spawns when there are still gens in play.
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1. At some point the person has to die unless you are going to slug all 4 people.
2. You cant keep them away from the hatch once it spawns. By tunneling, you get someone out early and try to ensure at least a 3k by killing 3 people before the hatch spawns.
If I see a key, I am not always going to tunnel but sometimes I will; it doesn't necessarily have to be the key person either cause again it is about securing kills before hatch spawns. If you last second change to a key, I am tunneling and playing as hard as I can.
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You know why.
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It's so nice when you just want to do the rift hatch challenge ❤️
(Lucky me, after many tries, I opend the hatch while getting downed and could escape)
still it was a nightmare since all killers were completely focused on me every single match, as if their live depends on it and all I wanted was the rift challenge 😂
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I don't honestly because chances are they are someone who could loop me for me 5 gens
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I've been bringing green keys and camaraderie to every match and laugh as the killers waste all their effort into trying to kill me off while the entire rest of the game happens behind them. Easy 4 man escapes.
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Its only a fast game if you tunnel someone out my guy :)
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Because if you let them go you won't see them again until 5 gens have been completed and everyone jumps through the ez win hatch.
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tunneling someone out is creating a scenario to rob you of kills if a key is there.
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I have a habit of not even SEEING the key until someone is jumping into the hatch, but I HAVE gone out of my way to camp the crap out of someone who irks me while being complete content with not getting a 4k. I remember trying to play Huntress against old OoO and just saying F it... I basement hooked the guy and then stood at the stairs to give any of his teammates that showed up a nod. Escorted the others to the exit gates, lol.
Frankly, if someone is camping and tunneling a key user down, its very likely they arnt counting kills anymore and prefer to get the 1k over killing the 3 OTHER survivors and the key user walking free.
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So is this post about you defending keys? because it seems like you're trying to justify them. Because when someone comes in with a key thats immediately in the back of your mind. "Lack the skill to not care" is such a bad take. 1. Gens fly so fast that most of the time 1-2 gens can pop within the 1st chase depending on the map/killer. 2. The hatch can be easily found on most maps not that hard. The killer will be focused on defending gens that the survivor will have time to find it. Its easier with the new offerings like the shack/main building hatch spawns. And yes killer can be stressful to new people its less stressful than survivor. Anything can cause stress not just work bro.
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If the survivor with the key wants to end the match earlier than expected I'll do that by killing them earlier than expected.
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The most op thing a killer can do is remove one player from the game as quickly as possible, a lot don't in the name of fun and not tunneling, if you bring a key you've given me less time to work with in the game so such charity can no longer be afforded, it's only fair the one who brought the key is the one who has to suffer the unpleasantness of a hasty removal.
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