Trickster Buff…

Trickster was never a free escape though. Not in solo queue.

Yeah this. Quite frankly it pisses me off how unfriendly he is to console players still after these buffs.

No? His buff should be that Survivors have to remove knives manually, one by one. That will give him some slowdown and map pressure, somewhat similar to Legion

I respect that. Personally I don't think they're unhealthy for the game just a bit on the weaker side

If he was a free escape, you werent good enough at playing him. A huntress constantly having her hatchet raised all match will be a free escape too. So will a Trickster who keeps his knives raised too long. I'd agree with you that he wasnt consistent at 4k's, but 1 person escaping isnt a free escape. A killer being a free escape is all 4 survivors escaping, consistently.

Before his buff, yeah, he needed much more time than huntress. After his buff? He can literally down 2 people before Huntress can down 1.

People spamming too much with his blades are people who dont understand his power. You can throw knives where other killers have to mindgame. You can deal damage states where no other killer could. People not using Trickster's power to their advantage and calling him too weak, is like people playing Nurse who dont blink untill they see a survivor and then complain Nurse is too slow.

Trickster isnt the strongest killer, but he is more than viable enough to carry his own ass.

I mean, I really disagree, having to hit 6 knives only with being able to hit 4 knives during a vault(5 if you're at full speed) is quite nutty. Sure, you'd still have to hit 2 more knives than a huntress hatchet, but you can also deal the injuring knive at the start of the vault, meaning you only need 3 more for a down. That's when you start spamming knives.

And no, Trickster isnt a spam based killer anymore. Too few knives. If he was spam based, his spread would widen the faster he goes, which isnt the case.

And yeah, if you play any killer badly, you can be looped for 5 gens unless you brute force m1 mode. He has a higher skill floor than huntress, but he also has a wider skill ceiling, where he shares skills with deathslinger and huntress.

People need to realize Trickster is now a different type of killer. If you still assume he's played like his old version, you're going to have a bad time as you're missing 3 knives per inventory. Slap on Death Throes and Bloody Boa with Infectious Fright and Distressing, then you'll see why he has been changed from the PTB.

"when has animation locking yourself.... i.e standing still ever been a good strategy for facing ranged killers."

Going through a window or over a pallet to increase distance can be the difference between a 20 second chase and a 100 second chase. So yeah, good strategy.

"What do you mean he is different killer?"

He's no longer mainly spam. He has access to spam when he needs it, but you're highly underestimating him if you're using him to consistently spam. That's like playing T1 Myers and committing to chases. They have the same basekit, but they play differently.

"your even suggesting to run add-ons that increase his ammo capacity which showcases a problem in his base-kit"

Newsflash: Killer basekits are balanced around addons, addons arent balanced around the basekit.

"as for suggesting of running arguably one of the worst killer perks in distressing"

Distressing is quite good in combination with infectious, especially with ranged killers if you decide to run Infectious. Trickster already has a very soft TR, players dont realize they are inside the TR. Since Trickster's Main Event works best with as many known survivor locations that are close, IF makes sense, since you can down people outside of chase with Trickster, Distressing compliments the perk.

"if all survivor are skilled at the chase and understand how to play around his power, slugging with him shouldn't really be effective with infectious fright."

Only if you're bad and dedicate to a chase when you know someone is going for a pick-up. Trickster is better at punishing a pick up than Huntress is.

"hopefully BVHR one day is not so scared to release good killers with solid base-kit with add-ons that only add to killer experience."

Again, they wont, because they design basekits around addons. Addons are part of the game. There is a reason why addonless killers have been a thing of the past or the extremely skilled.

Yeah, the easiest shots to hit are animation locks, but that doesnt mean that you still shouldnt vault it. You can easily sacrifice 1 healthstate to massively increase a chase. I could go for 1 more loop and take a hit and then be unable to vault without another hit, or be unable to reach the next loop without risking a hit. Going for a vault could guarantee the killer a hit quicker, but it could increase the time before a hook quite significantly.

And you cant really nerf holding W without nerfing killers. Nerfing W just to compensate for ranged killers would also mean increasing generator speeds to compensate for killers like Nurses and Blights that run Tinkerer, Ruin, Undying and Pop.

"Killers already have time trouble issues vs very optimized generators and last thing they need is "restraints" and build in slowdown to their own gameplay."

Oh, you mean like how in 70% of the games you play, you're facing survivors that dont get close to very optimized generators due to a lack of communications? Killers are balanced towards public lobbies. You rarely face optimal survivors, you're far more likely to face survivors that cannot be optimal due to a lack of communications. Once the average killrate reaches 55%, that's when you can start complaining about optimal survivors ruining games. Yeah, sweaty players suck, but they suck on both sides. Time issues arent really a problem untill you encounter a team that has very good synergy or good communications. Most of the time? Players you will face are not optimal.

"Add-on are.... suppose to add the killer strength, the killer should function and be somewhat effective in their base-kit."

Wrong. The devs have stated, over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, that addons are meant to be used. Blight without addons isnt really good enough to win against a decent team. Blighted Rush seems to be strong, due to a lack of communication. Add communication as a survivor basekit, and Blight will start needing to rely on addons. Do you realize how many Blights rely on Alchemist Ring to perform well?

"I think you should see the point for why previous argument and needing add-on to mitigate drawbacks is stupid. It destroys point of having add-ons in the first place."

Addons are literally always a form of reducing drawbacks with that logic. You cannot bounce knives without addons, that is a drawback. You need to wait 10 seconds to have access to all your tokens without Alchemist Ring, that's a drawback.

"Distressing is never a good perk. It just gives survivor more time to shift+W in most situations. Monitor is superior choice to combine with infectious however Trickster TR has been nerfed to be a lullaby so he does not get benefits from having lower TR"

Trickster ALWAYS had a lullaby. It was ALWAYS 40 meters. It was bugged to be at 32 meters at some point, but his own TR has always been 24 meters. And yeah, Distressing on a killer like Trickster is actually quite good, as you're not always in chase when you down someone. Monitor is actually quite terrible for triggering Infectious Fright on ranged killers. Which is why killers who down at longer ranges never really use Monitor OR Infectious. Trickster, however, has access to an ability that works well with IF. THAT is why Distressing is quite good on Trickster. I wasnt talking about Nemesis, I wasnt talking about Oni, I wasnt talking about Ghostface, I was talking about Trickster, and Trickster only.

And yeah, Distressing has tons of places where it's actually great. Thinking it never is good simply shows you never thing outside of the box and just slap on whatever is the meta.

"Do not agree, I think both of them have merits to slugging and can be good at it, Huntress being a little bit better at it in my opinion."

You are literally saying Huntress, who needs 2 seconds to charge per hatchet, and then another 2 seconds of cooldown per hatchet, aka 4 seconds per damage state, is better at slugging with Infectious Fright than Trickster, who has access to an ability that gives him infinite ammo for the next 10 seconds, can get a damage state every 1.7 seconds at max throwrate, meaning he can down someone before their post-damage haste effect is gone?

Huntress might have an overall more powerful slugging power, but her slugging power rarely is capable to end the game. Where a Trickster with Infectious Fright can be capable of ending the game everytime he downs someone with Main Event ready. Trickster is a killer with a LOT of game ending potential at any point and time in the game, where Huntress is a killer that doesnt really have game ending potential untill the actual end of the game, but has a more consistent potential in keeping survivors injured and on the hook. You might not really enjoy playing killer the way Trickster needs to be played, which is fine. But calling him awful because he doesnt fit your playstyle is kinda uncalled for. Trickster is a high risk high reward kind of killer. Playing him like a normal killer will require very specific addons that reduce his weaknesses while in a chase. In which case, you will need ammo increasing addons and addons that either increase throwing rates or increase the time for laceration to decay. If you play him towards his potential to end a game then and there, other addons suddenly start making a lot more sense.

Stop caring about the amount of generators that are left and focus more on forcing survivors to get into your terror radius. That is Trickster's style. If you care about consistency, yeah, Trickster is not going to be the killer for you. If you like pulling off very satisfying and impressive plays, even if it means winning less games(still 65% killrate btw, you win far more often than you lose), Trickster is a very nice killer.

"but most of the time, they're mistakes and they're basic way killers get downs/hooks."

Still wrong. I could be looping perfectly, making a fake that could extend the chase by 10 seconds or get downed. If you're in a 1v1 in this game, it's really just a matter of time when you get downed. Mistakes makes downs more common, but the fastest way I've downed some survivors was by them never making mistakes, instead never having access to anything they could use.

Survivor mistakes rely more around generators than chase. The 1v1 chase in this game is 100% killer sided, the 1v4 defense is 100% survivor sided. Taking hits isnt a mistake. Vaulting the wrong window could be a mistake that accidentally extends a chase for significantly longer because the killer wouldnt think you'd ever make such a mistake. The mistake relies more in how efficient survivors can be during your chase. If all 3 survivors are cleansing totems and opening chests while there is 1 generator remaining, you're dead on hook and have adrenaline, that is the mistake. Survivors make mistakes as a team, not as a single unit. Some hits can happen because of mistakes, or poor decisions, but that's not exactly a punishing mistake. Hits are supposed to happen. Heck, if you were going to compare killers based on how often they can hit a survivor in a tournament, a lot of them will be slightly below Spirit and Nurse. Healing is why taking hits isnt a mistake. The mistake a survivor makes, is shortening the time to his first kill, which doesnt neccesarily need to be a hit.

Tanking hits, tanking hookstates, healing people who are closest to being dead on hook, are all part of lengthening the time it takes for a killer to get his first kill. After the killer gets his first kill, that is when hits start becoming mistakes. But if you have 0 hooks, and your teammate is dead on hook, even if that teammate sucks in chase, he wasnt the one making a mistake. You refusing to tank a hookstate is.

"Remember your comment early about distressing, you just answered your own question regarding why distressing is a bad perk. Making your terror radius bigger in most cases is really bad for killer."

Which isnt what I said tho. I said: "Distressing is quite good in combination with infectious, especially with ranged killers if you decide to run Infectious. Trickster already has a very soft TR, players dont realize they are inside the TR. Since Trickster's Main Event works best with as many known survivor locations that are close, IF makes sense, since you can down people outside of chase with Trickster, Distressing compliments the perk." Which you shortened to "distressing is quite good" when the context was "quite good in combination with infectious". You ignored 90% of my explanation to just be like "he gave a very specific situation and build where distressing can be good at, but that doesnt matter, he called distressing good, which is heresy". Distressing can work wonders on specific builds. Distressing is a supportive perk, not a solo perk. I can create builds that actually rely on having a bigger terror radius, and Distressing is MUCH better than M&A because Distressing increases the TR based on a percentage instead of a flat number. Use the full context. I never said Distressing was a good perk on it's own. I clearly stated Distressing is good *IN COMBINATION*

"Blight wasn't designed to be stealth killer so saying that this "removes" drawbacks is just very strange."

Still a drawback. And if Blight wasnt meant to be a stealth killer, then why do people run Tinkerer on him over Discordance? People use Blight as a stealth killer consistently. Sure, it gives info on the gen, but that's not it's most important asset. The Undetectable status effect is what makes Tinkerer so powerful on Blight.

"further comments on Alchemist ring is that those situations require context. Blight has very low cooldown on his blight rush, he does not need alchemist ring to capitalize on those situations you describe."

Wrong though, you dont gain stacks while rushing, it will take too long to get more than 2 extra stacks to reach those scenario's. Heck, let me tell you how wrong you are:

1. Ruin is still up and Tinkerer goes off. 5 stacks prevents that gen from being finished. You cannot reach the opposite side of the map quickly with just 3 stacks. Meaning you would have to wait at least 2 more seconds to get your 4th token before you start rushing there, assuming you'd only need 4. You are going to be unable to reach that generator unless you already had 4 or 5 tokens remaining. Anything less, and that gen is gone.
2. You still have Pop and Tinkerer just popped Same reason as above. You cannot simply be fast enough to hit/down a survivor after at least 2 rushes and still reach it.
3. Tinkerer just Popped Just point 1 and 2 without gen regression reasons.
4. You see another injured survivor. Again, you needed at least 2 rushes to down your survivor, at best you'll have 4 if you only used 2.
5. You see someone visibly work on a generator and want to spook them off before hooking, if you hit them with a rush too, you can rush back before anyone picks them up. You literally cannot do this without alchemist ring.

I am assuming you didnt read the context again, because the context was clearly off a situation where Alchemist Ring works, which is AFTER hitting a survivor with a Lethal Rush. Meaning you first use his M2 to hit or down a survivor and THEN those scenario's occur. None of Blight's addons allow him to do so.

"5 hatchets is a lot of ammo. She doesn't need to throw unlimited amount of hatchets, one hatchet is enough for full health state."

You dont read, so I'll copy paste: "assuming the survivor is not a complete potato". One hatchet = one health state if it hits. Just like six blades = one health state if they hit. 44 ammo is a lot of ammo if 6 blades is enough for 1 health state. That isnt even mentioning Trickter doesnt need Main Event to be played similar(if not better) than huntress.

"That is not true. Gen slowdown perks were in fact more powerful than before. Remember old hex:ruin and Pop goes weasel synergy with hex:ruin?"

More powerful, but when did I say powerful? Gen regression wasnt that good in high tier. Old Hex Ruin was ######### at high tier, because survivors never missed great skill checks. Sure, great skill checks didnt progress the gen, making them go a tiny bit slower, but the main strength about Ruin in public lobbies was that not all survivors are going to be high tier. Pop remained useless at high tier, because by the time you got someone on the hook, they would finish 3 gens. Why? MAP DESIGN.

"Jungle gyms haven't changed and many of popular tilesets remain same."

They havent change in terms of design, but there are less, they spawn much less close to each other. When is the last time you have seen 2 jungle gyms have windows facing each other? Or a jungle gym have it's window facing a killershack? That's right, before the maps got reworked.

Suffocation pit has 1 area where ALL the loops are and it's not even that strong, there is a jungle gym on each end, which is just 2. There used to be 3. And remember pre-rework suffocation pit? Where there were looping tiles next to the mainbuilding too? Coal Tower even has 1 less jungle gym and more space between loops. That's not even talking about the thickness of the trees being decreased. You used to be able to hide with 3 survivors behind 1 tree with ease, you can now barely fit 1 if you're not carrying an item.

And again, wrong, Myers was literally THE stealth killer. The biggest issue literally was map tiles. Let me create the scenario of your average chase back then: 1. find a survivor. 2. injure them before they enter the loop unless they use sprintburst. 3. try to get them to drop as many pallets as possible. 4. bait out their exhaustion perk or hope sprintburst didnt get recovered and down them.

Freddy had 2 more steps to that: 1. find a survivor. 2. start pulling them into the dreamworld. 3. hope they reach dreamworld before they reach a loop or hope they are close to hitting dreamworld when you have an oppertunity to m1 them(not even including the fact that you couldnt grab survivors who werent asleep, they did address that later, I believe, but I quit playing this game before that happened). then the "normal" step 2-4 were performed. With the extra downside that Sprintburst would have recovered most likely. The nerf to exhaustion perks and the changes to maps is what makes old freddy viable today.

And no, pre-rework freddy wasnt exactly healthy either. Mainly because 1. there was no way to distinguish between a real and a fake pallet unless you were the one who dropped the pallets. 2. he was capable of slowing survivors in way that clown couldnt. 3. on top of that, he could teleport across the map. Freddy NEEDED to be slowed when placing traps. Every single other character placing traps is either locked in animation or is at least slowed down. I agree that they kinda gutted his trap count, which was unneccesary, as now he doesnt really have access to placing down traps for information anymore, just anti-loop. But other than that? His slowdown was needed.

"Main event is ultimate ability and let me tell you, for an ultimate ability, its really bad, Like you can loop a rock and trickster will never be able to catch up for how slow he is in throwing mode regardless what his fire rate is. In general, better players will not give trickster the optimal positioning to utilize it."

1. Main Event is literally the only ultimate ability in this game.
2. You're not supposed to use it at loops
3. better players dont see when Trickster is able to use it, meaning they cannot get to optimal positioning while he has it. They just see him activate it and hope there is something they can use against it.

Yes, on paper, main event sounds bad as there is a plethora of reasons you can think against it, but in practicality? There are millions of oppertunities where main event heavily benefits Trickster. The fact that he can use it with 0 knives left often makes up for the fact that he needs to reload to get more knives. You can enter a chase with only 4 knives, knowing you need to hit 3, slowly build up the lacaration and force a survivor to leave a loop, then use main event to down them before they can reach the next. With Main Event, you can down someone before they finished vaulting.

"I have no clue where you concluded 1.7 second for full down from healthy to injured. it is certainly is not organic in normal gameplay."

Again *R E A D* I clearly said "1 health state per 1.7 seconds" I didnt say "downed in 1.7 seconds". That means the hitrate of Trickster is 1 knive every 0.28 seconds. The throwrate of Trickster without main event is less than 0.2(Consecutive Projectiles Decay time: 0.2 seconds. This refers to the time in-between Throw inputs after which the Game will not consider the throws consecutive anymore. This means that his standard throwrate MUST be 1 knive every 0.2 seconds, or less, for the game to not consider it consecutive throws for the multiplier he recieves at 4 and 8 thrown knives). Considering Main Event is 1.667x faster than the standard throwrate, that means it's either 1.667 knives every 0.2 seconds, or 1 knive every 0.08 seconds. I'll go with the first option, since that's in your favor, meaning he will throw a knive every 0.12 seconds. Meaning you only need to hit a bit more than 40% of your knives in main event to down someone in 1.7 seconds. Yeah, you could down someone within the same time, by hitting 85% of your knives, but a survivor would pretty much need to run into a wall after their first hit. But that doesnt include the scenario where there is more than 1 survivor.

Maths. That is where I concluded the 1.7 second per health state(not 2 health states, just 1) while in Main Event, and I was assuming average games.

"I think she is just overall better at all tile sets in general. Trickster can be equal in some places to her, but he is not better in any places. Just worse in many places."

I mean, you think she is. She feels like she is. And I will fully agree that Huntress will feel better than Trickster. But that doesnt make her better.