Your honest opinion about Noed and more... #PsychologicalToxicity

"fight toxicity with toxicity"

Neither NOED or DS are toxic though.

The recent buff to NOED, It makes me think that in this way they force the survivors to do something other than generators. So the game lasts longer.

'Not fun for anyone'? I do hope that by anyone you mean yourself. It is very fun when I use it (doesn't matter if I did my best, I usually do with the Trapper), because it is fun killing the last two people who attempt to escape death. Keep in mind NoEd is not a perk I use often, but when it works, it works. I am sorry for the games that you encounter as a Survivor but do try not to lump everyone together, I say this even as it happens to me sometimes.

As for the illusion of winning... Hmn... That can be heavily debated depending on who you are. For me I just use NoEd as a last resort if survivors are good enough to hide from me. Otherwise it is rarely used at all even if I do have it equipped. This is just my 2 cents.

Theres mixed opinions about Hex: No One Escapes Death. Some look down on it saying things like "its a pity or shame this decent or good player runs NOED" Others say it compensates for a Killers so called lack of skill. These are not plausible. For one the Survivor has the option to look across the whole map to eliminate NOED by destroying all the dull totems. If its end game and a survivor gets insta downed rather than thinking "damn i should have been more careful" or "i should have been checking for dull totems" They think to themselves or outloud "Oh of course he would have NOED he's not good or that good" or this person is a noob, sucks etc.
This is a very weak and narrow minded mentality and it goes to show how much people dont or have very little respect for they're own game on top of other things i wont mention atm.

Survivors are running Decisive, Adrenaline, Sprint Burst, Flashlights, Insta Heals etc etc and they have the nerve to complain about someone using NOED???

So if a prominent DBD player see's the Killer using NOED then they lose respect in they're eyes LMAO!!!
Why cant a Killer be a good or great player but still use NOED because of the mentioned above. Maybe they're tired of getting taken loop to loop, having to juggle or leave the Decisive (which btw you have to juggle a decisive player 3 separate times in order to sacrifice them) possibly juked, flashlighted, SWF etc and they want an end game!

Btw Survivors dont make it any better by teabagging killers constantly at the Exit Gates or throughout the game. No justification, just saying. My whole point is that DBD is a Survivor based game so just because a killer is using NOED does not make them bad which is the mentality some have.

The bottom line is that DBD is a Survivor favored/heavy game so we should not have a negative assumption or lower based preconceived notion those that run NOED. When i play Survivor and i get hit with NOED i just say "damn" should have done xyz. I basically take responsibility for my actions or lack of, something most people are not willing to do i've come to see

Edit: Lets not forget that the game is survivor favored partially (i would even go as far as to say mostly) because the Maps are not in our (Killer mains) favor, thats a fact!

NOED is balanced. It helps slow the game down because you have to cleanse all five totems in order to prevent it from activating. It is really annoying when you have a team who gen rushes and lets the perk activate though.

Remove NOED and DS honestly. I reason I don’t like NOED is because it gives bad killers their kills especially if there is only two players left. Don’t get me wrong, some killers need it more than others...like Wraith and Freddy. Some don’t need it as much (looking at you M1 Billy and infinite EW 3 Myers). I don’t run into it ALL the time but it shouldn’t be a perk. It should be removed entirely, but it isn’t going to so there isn’t any point to arguing about it.

The only reason it won’t get removed is because if it is removed then DS would have to be removed...it is directly tied into the “Adept Laurie” achievement/trophy so it isn’t going anywhere. Maybe a rework but not a total removal.

i think NOED is fine, if not even a little too weak.
like, it CAN in CERTAIN scenarios be a gamechanger, but especially in high ranks, it barely even activates.

if it had a passive effect (if ALL hex perks had a passive effect), it would be in a much better place.
i never understood why people considered this OP tbh... it has plenty of counterplay (stealth, loops, the gates, destroying 5 totems (new) )
and this is where my problem with DS comes in. there is no counterplay, the best thing you can do is to reduce the effects (enduring, unnerving presence, doctor), but there is no default way to counter it as killer, which sucks. it completely screws one for doing good in a chase and extends the game by a lot.
heres my idea:
-survivor can hit a skillcheck to activate this perk
-a failed skillcheck will consume the perk for the rest of the match
-when activated, the killer will recieve a skillcheck, when trying to hook you.
-killer hits: you get hooked
-killer misses: you free yourself
-when the killer hist the skillcheck, your perk will not be consumed
-when you hit the skillcheck, disables your ability to wiggle

that way there would be a direct counterplay to it, PLUS you get a 2nd chance if the killer hit the skillcheck. however, skilled killers would be able to avoid this perk completely.

I'll tell it like it is.

I don't care who gets mad or who thinks I'm wrong... because I'm not.

NOED... is a completely fine perk. It's a great end game perk. Streamers act like it's not something they want to use or something... like they're above it.

The perk only activates IF all 5 gens are done... and IF 4 survivors haven't spent 14 seconds cleansing 5 totems.

in 1:10 seconds... a perk can be killed instantly if the killer is running it... and usually a tryhard trash SWF team will just be like "hey, he's got noed btw" etc...

The perk has counter play. DS, has some counterplay as well. Not as much, but I'm fine with DS as it is to be honest with you.

There's nothing wrong with NOED. On like 1/2 the killers it doesn't really work out too well anyways. I don't get why people act like it's a crutch.

So many times.. a SWF team will gen rush me to death... be on comms... and I'll end up getting 2/4 because of NoED.

Or... to be honest. I never even get to use it with my Wraith. And sometimes I'll get messaged hate over it.

When I didn't even get to use it.

I run Shadowborn on Wraith.. just because it's cool and it's his perk. I like it on him. I could easily run something else, but I don't.

But that isn't as juicy right? I run a weak perk on Wraith.... that's fine. But when I run NOED everyone freaks out. Silly kids.

@Jago said:
Ok so I got a lot of hours as a killer on this game, and seriously I don't understand why this perk is still in the game.

It's not fun for anyone, it just gives an illusion of winning for the killer (to compensate the fact that you did nothing for the entire match) that gonna take back the game just because of this perk.

I'm playing solo survivors sometimes, and recently, each time, killer is camping / close patrolling and using Noed.

Ok, to each his own.

But, when looking closely to it... Is BHVR creating the feeling of insecurity for their killer base players ? Don't get me wrong I'm not talking about the 10% good killers that know what they're doing. But the mass. Thats what they mean by "the entity is fed by strong emotions" ? The subtle creation of inferiority complex and frustration for the people getting unconsciously addicted to this ? (generating toxicity).

And this results for the opposite side taking DS / tbagging. Because why not fight toxicity with toxicity right ? And the train goes on... Killers gonna cry, camp, "blablabla survivors rules"... getting answered "lel ez noob" etc etc...

I'm kind of getting tired of this game, I feel more and more this has been designed for 8-12 years old disguised into adult content using the "horror" atmosphere.

Am I alone thinking this game need a really deep change to be enjoyable ? Or do I just have to play civilization ?

NOED counter- Break 5 totems and get points for doing so. Simple to do on most map (The game and Lery's are easy too once you know all the totem spawn locations)

DS counter- pray you are close enough to a hook to juggle the player, rewards no points and not guaranteed to work. Also impossible to tell who has DS aside from the 1 obsession.

One of these perks has a simple counter that rewards points, the other perk has an extremely situational counter and offers no reward.

I had a game as a hag a few months back where I used noed. I tend not to use it as I don’t personally care for it, but since I just prestiged her, I didn’t have a slew of perks to choose from.

I got absolutely demolished by a very skilled SWF group. I hooked them but they had all 5 gens done and were on the way to the exit. Noed gave me a 4K due to their over altruistic habits after the gates opened because I had a basement hook. I will simply say that I did not earn that victory... noed did.

For some reason I felt bad about it and have refused to use it since, even on my wraith.  To me it’s not fun for everybody, so I dodge that perk 

Noed and ds power level in comparision to other perks is insane. The reason people frown on these perks is that unlike most other perks of this power level you never earn its use through excellent play. Compare it to devour hope or deliverance heck even adrenaline requires the survivor last until exit gates. 

All these perks provide crazy powers but have awkward requirements that can be tricky to fulfill. Noed is a reward for not playing well as killer. Ds is the same premise. One can argue with the meta of the game its hard to knock a killer for using noed. 

Gens get done extremely fast and killers only need one bad chase too often lose the game. For survivour being hooked once can often be all it takes to ensure your dead and it is a nasty feeling to only have two or maybe even one hit to try and win. 

But despite all that I cant in good concious run these perks. Im not playing into this arms race of running blatantly poorly designed unfair perks because the game is imbalanced and my opponets are using unfair perks as well. Which is why players frown upon others who take the easy way out. This is not someone who mains billy or nurse no even as freddy i could never agree to running noed.

I do have a clause for running noed. If you want to run it for an end game build commit to it don't slap on ruin just so you can min max your build and for the love of god don't face camp a player so their is one less player in the late game. You know who you are.

I used to run NOED on a lot of builds, because when you are learning the game (And for killers, "learning" can be several hundred hours before you get good map knowledge, understand pressure etc) The majority of games are going to get to endgame, and you want to set up almost knowing that all gens will get done. As you improve, its a natural switch to perks that help end the game quicker, and id much rather say, MYC to get those exposed hits throughout the game and keep pressure on, or even a 3 stack DH to create a panic mid game. Saying that, If I play someone who is likley to get gen-rushed, or I am not as good with. (Hag, Clown, Freddy, sometimes trapper) Its a great little thing to have in the back pocket just in case, and the suprise factor of it proccing mid-chase is always fun for the killer.

It is perfectly counterable, and if a team is smart, it's only ever going to get the killer a final hook, at which point the surivors either cleanse the totem and make the save, or decide its too risky and let the poor guy who got caught die.

DS is similiar in the running it is assuming you are going to get caught, has a little less counterplay, but still some. The difference I would say is that NOED is not a meta-perk, and isn't used as frequently as DS is, when you are bringing 16 perks into a game, around 80% of games I would say have at least 1 DS. (A bit less at R1, but I still think DS is far more common at Rank 1 among "Good" players than NOED is among "Good" killers)
But neither are game changing, I have had far more days ruined by Adrenaline than I have DS, and ruined others days far more with DH/MYC and Haunted than I have NOED.

@MojoTheFabulous said:
"fight toxicity with toxicity"

Neither NOED or DS are toxic though.

What people fail to understand is that they are both perks that are provided to us. just because you use them doesn't mean you're toxic. I mean the perks are really good, Which is probably why people call them toxic.

My honest opinion?
NOED's fine.

@Jago said:
Am I alone thinking this game need a really deep change to be enjoyable ? Or do I just have to play civilization ?

Maybe you just burned out.
Not saying i know you, just naming a possibility.
It happened to me: At some point, i lost the ability to enjoy it to the degree i did before.

@Vietfox said:
Noed is annoying, but if it bothers you so much then do what i did: run small game, get rid of all 5 totems asap and do gens. I run small game either if i'm playing solo or with friends because almost all killers run hex perks and/or noed.
I think small game is a must also when playing solo since most survivors don't give a **** about totems.

You run Small Game sometimes? I thought I was the only one on the forums who did. lol

@Vietfox said:
ALWAYS, solo or swf, doesnt matter.
My reasons are:
Most killers run hexes and/or noed
Most survivors dont give a damn about totems
Small game allows me to find totems way faster. The less time i spend in the match the higher the chances i got to survive.
And that little extra that helps you against the trapper and the hag, but looking for totems with the hag is a bit of a pain. Notifications everywhere!

That's good to hear. I'm still learning a lot about totem spawns and junk but I see people say that every just "memorize where the totems spawn" so I thought I was gimping myself with Small Game but I really like being able to find them quickly or keeping note of nearby totems while in chases or doing gens.

DS wouldnt be toxic if it didnt take such  long time to catch survivors in the first place.  
  
Survivors just arent scared of killers. That are just bulky playthings to the good survivors. And if you arent a top level killer, you just get bullied by them the whole game.

If you get bullied and beaten up at school, then as you lie on the ground bloody and bruised, someone walks by amd chucks a trophy at you, thats not rewarding its just insulting.