Impermanence - dying state Rework Idea

I actually like the idea, but I think it is still kinda abusable and would need to be refined. For instance, if the killer slugs repeatedly for the 4k at 3+ gens left then the survivors can keep getting up but eventually they will enter impermanence and die anyway, so this does not really resolve most of these situations. It also does not fix the issue of waiting to bleed out cause it is unclear if this would really be that much quicker than just bleeding out if you had more then 1 health state left.

I feel like what would happen is survivors would 99% their get up bar or just choose not to get up until their teammate was caught, thus forcing the killer to wait until someone gets up or let both bleed out since picking up and hooking one would give the other a chance at the hatch. If it was not a choice, but instead something that automatically happened after like 30 seconds then it would be less abusable by groups and could be fun.

Also, what happens if the killer slugs someone in the impermanence mode? Do they die instantly? Do they resume bleeding out (which really would not serve as a time saver then)? Do they finish dying after 80 seconds?

Idea for a knockout buff would be to add removing the get up by yourself option this creates as a secondary ability of it.

Sorry I missed that part in the original post.

I like the change as well.

What’ll add fresh air to this game is reworking the whole game. The whole generator thing is totally stupid. The reason it’s stupid is because you aren’t playing as “The Spirit”. You’re just some phase warping ***** that hears really well! I was in Tofus stream when I suggested this… It’s a huge wall, and a dream. But it’s a good dream.

Overhaul the entire game so EACH killer has their own “Trial” in which the survivors have to “solve” or “survive” in order to escape!! That way when you play as the killer you FEEL like who you’re playing as, and survivors have more to do than gen rush!! Some killers would need certain things to escape like Pig, Plague, and Nemesis. While others simply hunt (Nurse, Spirit, and Hillbilly, etc) As the survivors progress through the trial one of 5 generators begins to progress at random, and will Ping! (1 Ping every 80 seconds without any perk/item variables). Meaning the match will last for about a little over 6 minutes (Without any variables) before the exit gates/hatch become available for all survivors.

Example 1: You enter a trial with The Pig, a “Solve” based killer. You all start reversed bear trapped (As you would in the movie had Amanda captured you), and after a couple of seconds the trap starts. If you exit in any way with the trap on your head you will die instantly. So you have to get the trap off your head first, and then run through an exit when it’s finally available! The trap lasts for so many minutes (Pigs add ons would affect this via time reduction, boxes added, time to search, etc). When the trap starts the survivors have to go rummage for the right key to use in the right jigsaw box. A total of 4 boxes (Unless the Pig adds or reduced them). During this time The Pigs job is to ambush the survivors before they get the trap off, and put them on a hook. Meaning for every person hooked there’s one less person to distract The Pig so that the others can get their traps off. Whenever you’re downed, chased, or hooked the timer will stop. Once you get the trap off your head you can run around as you would, body block, and distract until the go for exit gate, or hatch becomes available . Meaning you can get the trap off yourself, hide, and leave your allies to die (Realism). Again, this is risky unless you have/find a key. Then survive for 6 whole minutes after getting the trap off. If you START with a key The Pig sees that, and she might tunnel you, or worse use Franklin’s Demise! Someone else takes the key an leaves you! Etc. This all becomes possible with a rework.

Example 2: You enter a trial against The Doctor, a “Survival” based killer for 6 minutes. He begins to search for you by inducing insanity with his powers. If he drives you completely mad after being hooked twice he can now Mori or “Treat” you. Fry your brains. Some Docs would run Iron Maiden so players can’t hide in lockers, but the survivors can abuse that jumping in and out of lockers to produce constant notifications (Distractions). What this means is that Mori’s would be more useful on “Solve” based killers since they cannot Mori, but instead the survivor dies for not solving the trial before escaping.

Example 3: The Plague (Hybrid). She hunts players down, and gets them sick. Meaning survivors have to survive while keeping themselves cleansed of her sickness until the exits become available. If you’re sick on an exit gate every time you cough and throw up the door progression will stop. So if you’re really sick and trying to get out it’ll take a while.

Let me explain a bit via the killers perspective first… For every 80 seconds a random generator in the map starts to rev up and pops. The sound indicating how close it is the completing, obviously. It revs up on it’s own because generators represent their “Light” or “Hope” as they survive! As killer you must heed to this. Damage the generators, their hope, by hooking them. The killer can see the generators like usual. If the killer goes to kick a progressing generator it gets “damaged”. kick the generator upon hooking a survivor. Every kick reduces progression by 50%, adding 40 seconds. Pop Goes The Weasel would add an additional 25% (Another 20 seconds). So with Pop a killer can potentially add another minute every time they catch someone, and kick the gen. So it’s best not get caught if you realize they have Pop! Powers like Dead Man Switch would trigger whenever survivors stops any objective (I’ll explain this later).

Now for the survivors perspective… Before the start of a trial you can’t switch items when there is 15 seconds remaining for you to select something. This gives the killer some balance as to see what you have, and adjust accordingly. You can only work 1 of the 5 given generators if you have a Toolbox with charges in them. Meaning Brand New Parts would add instant progression if the skill checks are successful (The progression % might have to be reworked). So yes if all 4 players brought new parts yes you may hear a random generator or two far away pop almost immediately. Making the killer lose 1-2 minutes. Remember 1 gens revs up one at a time at random. Remember that killers can still use perks like No Way Out, Blood Warden, Corrupt, Pop, etc. Street Wise and Built To Last can be countered with Franklin’s Demise and Overwhelming Presence (Items loses proficiency). Hex: Ruin would still regress any non self progressing generator a survivor had started to work on. Meaning if the killer scares you off, and even knocks the toolboxes out your hands… You wasted health states, items, and time. Your plan was ruined! This gives the killer the pressure that they need and the feeling of being a villain (It doesn’t make sense that survivors simply work on gens barehanded without a toolbox). Prove Thyself makes you progress faster like it would, but you need a toolbox still. So you’d likely bring that or Plunderers so you find one. Etc. Skill Checks can still happen while working on gens, making you lose progression. Skill Checks are now added to the Totems! They’re kindling (Hot). If you fail you “burn” your hands trying to cleanse your character will scream, altering the killer (Unless you have Calm Spirit). You also have to start cleansing all over (Huntress Lullaby would now work with Totems to protect them now. Thrill makes it take longer to cleanse, increasing the odds of skill checks).

An overhaul like this would add spice to this game. As of now the simplicity of the game is simply stupid. That’s why survivors hold one direction and gen rush, and killers camp/hook. That’s all there really is to this game once you learn the ins and outs!! Survivor is left bored, and Killer feels underachieved.