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High Rank SBMM is sad.
This is Otzdarva getting rekted by a 4 Man SWF.
On Post game chat, SWF proceeded to tell how "You had us going with your name". The SWF was insinuating that he was not the real Otzdarva because they 4 man Escaped on Ormond against a Ghostface(with his best Add Ons). All I could I think of was "Ouch".
If this does not show how bad balancing on high rank SBMM and why is SBMM would be a quick way to kill the streaming platform of DBD, I don't know what will.
(Otz was dealing with rude 4 Man SWFs all stream btw, If they escaped = bad sportsmanship)
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Did he lose all his games over the weekend?
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I see your point, I agree somewhat but If the Killer tries his hardest but get's cucked due to balancing then it's not really fun imo.
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But at the same time high ranking mmr on all games is the same and is an excellent point to look for balancing things because those "pro" player know how to use everything to the maximum potential.
So when the devs of those games use the top to balance and nerf stuff to make more things viable at that level then it gets more accessible for everyone below without the lower ranks becoming dependent on over performing things. Like many survivor runs second chance perks and many killer run gen slowdown.
Also an argument why balancing from the top is that everybody can and "will" ultimately reach that level with enough dedication.
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I feel the same way about top streamers as I do my boss....Someone needed to kick their ass a long time ago...
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No but it was a sweat fest. Otz did not have a chance to play nice as "Playing nice" would mean his Rank would go down. For example he could not even give hatch as SBMM Rank would probably go down and he worries that would mean he's manipulating his rank to play with weaker Teams.
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I say this every time on these posts and never really get an answer. This team is in the matchmaking pool, whether MMR is on or not. If not someone like otz, who exactly should they be paired up with?
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Scott Jund pointed out that the Devs will never base their balance at the top as they won't care as 90% of their target audience is not there. He even showed Mclean(When he was a dev) stating that it's cool that there are people who are interested in the competitive aspect of DBD but ultimately they don't want to focus on that aspect.
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Eh, he played nice with some fun perks and still got six hooks out of it on a Killer that's not suitable for a high-ranked SWF match. The Survivors, on the other hand, were absolutely pathetic. But that's just how it is.
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They should be paired with Killers at their level. But due to Balancing, a Good Killer will never win against a Good Survivor Team.
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That isn't the issue.
The issue is that high Ranked DBD is so unbalanced that most Killers have no opportunity to win, which isn't fun at all.
Despite this, BHVR has done nothing to ease the unbalanced nature of high Ranks.
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"Otz lost" - game is unbalanced
"Otz is on 100th winstreak with Plague" - perfectly balanced how as all things should be
i like watching Otz when he is actually challenged and compete, watching otz farming ez lobbies of clueless survivors in never-ending killer power fantasy is boring for me
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He could get a 2k against an optimal team if he ran a good build with Ghostface and played really well, confirmed stages, tunneled, etc.
But the reality of high level DbD is that 4 survivors with great game sense will roll every M1 killer on the roster on most maps. Doesn't matter who is playing the killer. The logistics of the map and gen layout prevent M1 killers from doing more damage unless survivors make mistakes.
Is what it is. SBMM is a good thing because it will show the devs what we've been saying for years, although I think they don't balance for high MMR to begin with.
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I do not understand your logic here. You're saying that this team should have been matched against a better killer? Isn't this the guy that posts 50 game winning streaks online constantly?
If the best team is against the best killer, you can't really gain any understanding from one match. If this team and killer went 10 matches, what would be the outcome? Shouldn't one side win sometimes and the other side win sometimes?
I guess the insinuation is that after a certain skill level, there is no killer that can compete? So then what? That team just gets no matches?
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It isn't about getting into an eSports competitive scene but to see how far something can be broken when used to its utmost potential. And this is most often represented by top players because they have the most experience with those games.
And just like i said anyone can mimic those tactics to use stuff most efficient.
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Otz loses a game and the whole SBMM is sad? Did 4 men SFW didn't exist before?
I mean, if you play high-level competitive DBD as streamers who make that of their carrier you can definitely expect more games like those under SBMM and that's how it should be.
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My point is that with SBMM on, the game is pretty boring and sad. The Streamers on High Rank would probably last 1 month tops before taking a break on DBD as how sweaty and boring the high rank games were.
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Otz did not win any matches against well coordinated Teams though. He only won with Weaker Teams or just played sweaty af which got pretty boring fast.
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What if people enjoy the match itself tho? Not everyone's definition of enjoyment is getting 4 sacrifices. The experience is what a lot of people enjoy. Some people may enjoy the challenge. Although I personally don't like to play sweaty myself, others may.
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Well maybe when the bigger streamers are having more matches like this it'll be more difficult to ignore high level balancing. It'll definitely showcase the issues a lot more than slaughtering urban evasion squads at 5 gens with perkless trapper is going to.
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Isn't Otz the one that does like 100 game win streak videos with killers and basically normally just destroys teams? Seems like he's finally getting some teams that are a challenge for him and that's a good thing.
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They've known about it and made repeated statements as to why they aren't going to be doing anything about it.
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I watch Otz for a long time and seeing him sweat is the fun part. Most other matches i close the stream bc its over after a short time (one dead at 4/5 gens) and the last 5 minutes is just ending the match.
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Seems like this person's MMR was inflated by winning continuously in the old, flawed ranking system, and needs to be adjusted.
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By this logic, who can defeat this team of survivors if not the man who had 50 Win Streaks on Ghostface.
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Someone who had a 50-win streak on Ghostface against better teams, obviously.
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Well I wonder what kind of "Data" they will get from this recent test?
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Otz, as many other Killers, got boosted into higher MMR, because he faced weaker teams. Winstreaks like this are only possible, because the average Survivor is not really good. And even if they were far weaker than Otz, it is still an increase in MMR to win against them.
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That highest play needs more balance.
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Bold of you to think they will balance anything.
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I think Scott was taking a clip of McLean talking about a game company investing in competitive DBD, something that can cost absurd amounts of money and confusing it with balancing general rank 1 gameplay. Scott makes many good points about sbmm but I don't think that's what McLean was talking about there.
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Is this video on YouTube? I'd like to see it
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I...fail to see the issue here. If SBMMR is meant to place you against people who are closer to your skill level, then I'd think that it's working perfectly well if someone like Otz, who is typically viewed as one of if not the best killer in the game, got put in to matches where he actually had to try. I'd say that is more fair than having that same 4 man sweat squad go against an average killer and just completely roll over them without even breaking a sweat.
It's like someone else here pointed out. If they don't go up against someone like Otz, then what's the alternative? They face a potato killer and steamroll/bully the poor bloke for 20 minutes until they get bored? Again I think this is working pretty well. Also if things are severely unbalanced at higher levels against killers, well I mean how long has the community been saying that for and the devs didn't listen? Maybe now when it becomes a massive issue, the devs will have no choice but to do something about it. Plus, and this is just my train of thought, with SBMMR I would think it would make things a lot easier to look at and see what exactly needs balancing and where the problems are. Like it's a bit hard to track down a problem when you have high skilled players getting matched up with potatoes who don't know ######### they're doing or just aren't at the same skill level as their opponents. It's harder to look at a random matchmaking system with no MMR and figure out if something truly does need to be balanced or if maybe it's more of a lack of skill thing, if that makes any sense?
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It would be helpful if someone posted the match on here to see what actually happened.
If what some people are saying is true - that Otz was Ghost Face on Ormond with non-meta perks - then there is no issue to discuss. If he was using a meme loadout (perk wise) then it’s unreasonable to expect him to get a 4K vs a strong SWF on a survivor sided map.
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anybody got a clip?
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