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[Rant] Killers also have toxic killers to blame for the game being forgiving to survivors
Like I'm not one to play devil's advocate or fence sit when it comes to discussions between two parties especially with survivor and killer side of the community however as much as i agree mostly with killer's frustrations with dealing with perks that are too forgiving to the survivor I really have to ask ... Can you really blame them?
Like I seriously think that a good amount of killer mains see other killer mains with actual good points for the games balance and go into their games with the mentality that all survivors are out to get them or are toxic just because they got stunned with a pallet once or something. God the amount of times I've been camped on hook, like not as a last resort or because the killer saw all of us no... CAMPED from the start of the game, killer gets no bites so they go on a chase, then I get unhooked finally and they abandon chase to go back for me. Even with SWF there's not much you can do to avoid a deathhook, just struggle for as long as you can and hope the gens get done.
I'm not against killers using the strongest add ons, perks, hell take NOED at least it'll get me to search the map and play the game. But being tunelled out of the match at the start, no items in hand no teabagging etc really blows. And 9/10 times those killers are super toxic about doing it too. One example is a killer tunnelling the whole game and only getting one kill and accusing players of gen rushing when the case was just a teammate being good and mind gaming them and them not knowing when to abandon a chase.
Like I seriously try to advocate for killer mains I really do, playing killer is so stressful against a good team of survivors with meta perks, but with tunneling and camping still being as strong of a strat to get an early kill I can see why so many survivors run the same few perks over and over, especially in solo queue where it seems like a hard requirement to run kindred or borrowed time or DS etc etc. (Personally I have nothing against slugging)
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Killers will camp a survivor at 4 gens because they let one gen pop after chasing that survivor for 3 minutes and will say the camping was justified because of "genrush".
Survivors can be, and a lot of times are toxic, but their toxicity at least doesn't stop you from playing the game. Killers have way more power in terms of being toxic than survivors do.
Sure, teabagging and clicking their flashlight is annoying, but you can still chase them, hit them, hook them etc.
You can't do much about tunneling and camping and end up with almost no points.
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I disagree on the killers having more power to be toxic, it's def a 50/50 with flash lights, flash bangs, flash mines. those hurt man, and stun just as well as any pallet
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Point-wise, being "tunneled" is great...
Once you become decent at the game, all it takes is losing them one of the 3 chase sequences they have on you, and you can basically guarantee a +1 pip because your chase score will be maxed. Do one single gen, maybe open the gate, and escape... or get a rescue, a heal, and die... Should be a +1 pip.
If you're being tunneled omega, and you're losing all those chases too fast to get maxed points, AND can't seem to lose the Killer ever during any of those chases... Then it's either time to say, "Maybe I'm not a good Survivor," or say, "Hey, guys, can you start running BT please???"
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Blinding the killer isn't toxic, neither is pallet stunning.
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If you're being tunneled you dont have time to do a gen and saves.
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Ok now read 100% of my post instead of 3%.
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it is when you spend like 3mins just being stunned in place, which has happened to me
individual actions aren't toxic, it's how it's used. don't give survs the pass using the same logic as face campers
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I did and you're still wrong
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If you're being stunned for 3 minutes in place you're going against a hacker, and that has nothing to do with normal pallets/flashlights
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just a swf that wanted to ruin my day. ds, then flash light, then flash bang, flash light again, ect
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DS, flashlights and flashbangs are not 3 minutes. DS only works if you tunnel.
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Okay, well, since you got your Survivor Squad with you, I guess I'll repeat myself.
For a Killer to tunnel you, they have to embark on 3 separate chase sequences with you.
If you are unable to shake a Killer with 3 chances, then you're not a good Survivor. Stop blaming buzz words like "tunneling". You had 3 tries to shake the Killer, and you couldn't. Start getting better at learning your surroundings, when to start walking, maybe take Iron Will if it helps you out. But do something that isn't... what everyone else seems to do, which is just calling everything some dismissive buzz word.
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If survivor squad = logical people, I'll take it
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The fact that that's all you have to say really says a lot about your intentions with this conversation.
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not tunneling if the chase leads you to the guy
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Again, DS will only stun you if you tunnel.
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You're mixing "intentions" with me just not falling for the victim complex a lot of people who play killer have on these forums.
You're just proving OPs point.
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there's never one time when you didn't run into the same dude twice? not once? never?
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Tunneling killer bad post? Okay, thank you for your rant
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What can survivors do that ends the game for the killer? And using things in the game is not being toxic.
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Don't you know? Survivors are supposed to stand still and let the killers catch them otherwise it's toxic.
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I know gamers don't like reading but geez
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Campers and tunnelers never learned to read.
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Seems so, funny thing is my post defends camping and tunneling in certain situations and specifies EXACTLY what I mean. Yet people still missed that lmao.
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If a killer camps and tunnels they CANNOT moan about bt, ds or unbreakable. If they are going to play to get the 4k then survivors are going to play to survivor. It's a ying and yang thing really. If you're a toxic killer it will breed toxic survivors, if you're a toxic survivor it will breed toxic killers.
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If you flipped this post to "survivors also have toxic survivors to blame for camping killers", there would be an uproar. Perpetuating this kind of mindset will just continue to breed bad blood on both sides.
Like do ya'll really get hard tunneled out of EVERY single match by some bully killer at 5 gens? I get a hard tunneler/camper about 1 out of 10 matches when I play survivor. Its often a poor strategy that will only net a kill or two.
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I find most matches I've done as survivor side they'll either camp or tunnel and this coming from someone who plays both sides though I avoid doing that oh and several killers on these forums argue that facecamping and tunneling is a perfectly fine tactic and not toxic at all many of them are proud of it and think it's fine to do so.
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As a Twins main I agree with you 100%
I only play survivor when the queue times are good (early in the morning) & when I have challenges & even in that little amount of time I can tell killers take being outplayed personally. Whenever I see someone has already been hooked twice & they're being chased I always try to take the chase & 75% of the time the killer takes it to heart & thinks I'm being toxic. Hitting me on hook & shaking their head, leaving me slugged after they close hatch & could easily hook me, teabagging if it's applicable. People who say only one side is mostly toxic CLEARLY only play one side.
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I mean, survivors do have toxic survivors to blame for killers being toxic though, hell even Otz, well known for being a kind killer tunnels and camps and punishes toxic survivors. I don't think anyone is saying toxic survivors aren't to blame for killers reacting badly
Also read the wording of the title, I'm not saying survivors AREN'T to blame, I'm saying killers being straight up toxic for no reason are ALSO to blame for killer mains having to deal with survivors running meta perks that make it hard to punish them for their mistakes because of people who choose to tunnel and camp at the start of the game. There's a reason why face-camp Bubba is even a thing, because it works. Plus yeah the killer loses in the end against en experienced group and most time they gain nothing from it yet they do it anyway.
Because they want to be toxic, which is what I'm ranting about. It doesn't benefit the very killers who want to play the game and punish survivors instead of playing around and invisible forcefield being the anti-camp anti-tunnel perks and items that speed up the game progress. I have gone up against many good killers and will go out of my way to defend them from toxic survivors who spam flashlight taunts post game chat and congratulate them for even trying with a character but damn a lot of killers are starting to feel so entitled that the survivor just playing the game is an offense to them.
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This really is just a circle of pain and suffering I don't even know where it starts. The circle is clear one side is toxic to the other then the other then the side who lost to toxic ( add role here ) then becomes toxic to the next ( add role here ) then the cycle continues. It leads to survivors running bt, ds, ub, and dh and killers running NOED and camping and tunneling. It never stops it just keeps going cant we just stop the toxicity for once and just have a conversation where we sit and talk like adults and not scream at each other and I am ABSOLUTELY talking to some of the people in this post.
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Honestly it's just a case of people not reading the post properly.
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Honestly I miss when tbagging wasn't meant to be toxic in this game and was more of a hey killer wanna farm.
As a survivor main I hate flashlights and I don't like it when I have to deal with other people using flashlights because they won't do gens and just wait for you to get down in order to "attempt a save"
The only times I use a flashlight is for a tome challenge and I hate those types of challenges
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Yes that is part of it but its mostly cause are people not wanting to admit that their side is wrong for once and they just hate the other side for no reason its not you versus another person after the game is over we all play the same game and without the other side there is no game people don't seem to realize this and are just toxic to the other side just cause they are well not on their side. If people would just say gg, not complain, and not care how another person enjoys themselves I guarantee this forum would have a lot less complaining on it overall. There is no right way to play this game because its a game people play games because they like them being forced to not play the way you like in a video game is stupid and thats just facts.
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Well it's hard to not complain when people genuinely go out of their way to make other people have a bad time. Not to mention people who complain genuinely want the game itself to improve and others want to see the toxicity in this community die at least less than other gaming communities because now this game has a rep for how bad the community is. Going into it that was the first thing I was informed of.
Also people will care about how others enjoy themselves if them enjoying themselves literally stops the other person from actually playing the game they paid for. In this case, tunneling and ensuring at least one person has no chance to do anything but hold shift and press space just because they stunned you once or you just want them gone from the game is prrreeeety... "unfun" and every other player paying attention usually knows how hopeless trying to counter that is. Which is why the solution is to just do the objective and leave. Not much of a game at that point.
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Its never fun when people bring all the best stuff on both sides cause they dealt with the worst type of people last game thats my main point it never stops and it never will once the cycle is started it will never end and the fact that we cant talk to each other without insulting each other and just being rude in general makes me lose faith in this community little by little there are some people on this forum who are super nice and positive but those are few and far between. I love this game and if the community can get just a little nicer maybe we'd have more players and not fight the same people 75 percent of the time.
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I’ll keep saying it: our community needs to punish campers. Just do the gens and let the 3 escape. Person on hook should Martyr for the cause. That’s the only way they’ll stop. One hook every game while they just stand there won’t be fun. That definitely deserves all 3 at exit gate teabagging up until the last second.
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I don't think that camping or tunneling to win is toxic either it just cant be super heavy like never touching anyone but your desired target then looking them in the eye as they die extreme. But slugging camping and tunneling when necessary I have no problem with. I applaud the people who make such decisions when needed. If you make an amazing play to get me out of the game that gets you the win good on ya I say.
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How is camping or tunneling an amazing play though? You don't need to be a good player to camp/tunnel, that's why a lot of rank 15-20 killers do it, because they're still not good at the game
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I still think the person on the hook should get points for staying on the hook if gens get done etc. There's nothing that the person on the hook has to win for staying there, specially in solo q
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If they have to camp me a little to get more pressure on the other survivors and tunnel me a bit to keep the others off gens and come help thats an amazing play if we have 4 survs left and he has to get me out in order to win I applaud you you had the correct decision making to get me out in order to win. If the killer goes around only hooking survivors after hooking all the other ones thats stupid and you're not winning like that if you have to do something to win thats fair I cant complain i'd do the same if it decided the game.
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If you keep getting stunned then maybe you should see how you can countered it better. Being blinded mean you should be checking your surroundings.
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So what you're saying is just excuses for camping and tunneling.
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Honestly I agree with you, my post wasnt really meant to sound antagonistic. Too many players carry the bullshit from the last bad match into their next one, assuming their opponent(s) mean to completely ruin their day. And anyone who resorts to toxicity because the other side is simply playing well( getting pallet stuns as survivor, getting early downs as killer,etc) is a giant baby tbh. It creates crappy situations for those of us who play with a level head.
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Damn thats unlucky :/ I find most of my survivor matches go pretty well. Usually I have a bigger gripe with my teammates than the killer lol. Maybe I'm just lucky with the killers I vs.
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No whats happening is that you refuse to learn when someone is making a good play do you really expect the killer to chase someone for 5 minutes when they cant catch them and you went down in 15 seconds. It doesn't matter if you've been hooked you are the weak link if no other option is available you're gone a 1v3 is much easier than a 1v4 simple math now until you learn to see a different point of view don't insult people for not seeing your point of view and don't assume others intentions. Pretty simple aint it.
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The secret to life is timing and moderation.
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So clicking a flashlight that does literally nothing to the killer if they look away and allows the killer to continue to perform every action in the game is more toxic than the killer camping which literally prevents the survivor from partaking in any game action at all? Try again.
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Thank you!
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Exactly. Besides the fact that using flashlights is part of the game to counter killers along with pallets.
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When my friends get camped/tunneled they usually go play killer and then camp and tunnel randoms and brag about it. The opposite happens as well, when they get bullied as killer they decide they're going to bully killer as survivor in their next match.
Some people are obsessed with being mean to one another in this game, on both sides. Personally, I've made the coolest friends after match by being nice in the end game chat, usually with the killer even after they've killed me or even if I escape. Idk what's so hard about being respectful or complimenting each other on the things that went down in a match especially if there was no blatant toxic camping/tunneling or toxic behavior on survivor side. If you treat people bad of course they're going to be bad to others so ffs make good decisions and don't make more toxic killer/survivors!
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