People who say dead hard has no counter…

I mean, I do not really care about Dead Hard having no counter. And in that same way, I do not really care about Tinkerer having no counter. So... Sure? I would advocate for consistency either way. Lol.

Dead Hard is completely unusable on PS4. If you're playing killer, the game freezes when survivors use it. If you're survivor, it freezes when your teammates use it. If you try to use it, you freeze in place and are exhausted on the ground (which happened a lot before they broke the game with the RE chapter).

How is something that has no counter and free value with a button press okay?

Coup is one of the perks I can't play without, for non DH reasons, but man is it hilarious when the survivor dead hards and I use a coup lunge to hit them down at the end of the dead hard XD

Actually he was banned....he's back now but he was banned for a while and, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't sluzzy also unbanned now?

I do agree neither should be banned for their opinions, even if they are very biased to opposite sides.

It kind of does matter... People complain about Dead Hard because it's an incredibly strong effect with no counterplay. There's plenty of perks that technically have "no counterplay" that aren't strong. Why should we ask for nerfs solely off of counterplay?

Tinkerer itself isn't a bad perk by any means but it certainly isn't flawless because of base generator regression sucking so much.

Dead Hard extends almost every chase it's in when used correctly (and it ain't that hard to use it correctly).

Nerfing Tinkerer because of Ruin + Undying + Tinkerer is a stupid idea and would make it even worse on its own. Dead Hard's bullshit is

So, what I'm seeing here, there's an argument on whether Dead Hard and Tinkerer has a counter or not.

Well, for Dead Hard, it depends on the server and whether or not the killer has Coupe De Grace, or whether or not the killer's able to determine whether a survivor has the perk by getting closer and waiting until he uses it or attempts to do a 360.

For Tinkerer, Spine Chill can be of good use against Tinkerer, but it won't stop the perk from activating, so there's no real counter against Tinkerer besides Spine Chill, because even if you know the killer's coming, it won't stop the perk from activation every 30 seconds. If anything, it gives you plenty of support as a silent alarm.

There are some things that can be prevented by perks, but Tinkerer is not one of them, because it let's you know when a survivor is almost finished with a generator. Spine Chill just let's you know when the killer is coming. It can warn you, but it won't prevent the killer from being notified. Perks like these, BBQ and all that can be countered by other perks in some way, but that doesn't mean that they can be prevented. So there almost wouldn't be any possible way to counter Tinkerer unless you can get back on it within the time of the cooldown.

Closest you can get to preventing something is Calm Spirit against Perks and Killers that make your survivor scream, because the perk prevents you from screaming, only problem is that there aren't going to be a lot of Killers and Perks that make you scream. And it won't prevent other survivors from giving away your location. For example, by screaming at your location. It kind of renders this 50% useless, but it can still be very useful in it's own way, because not only does it prevent you to scream, but it prevents you from scaring Crows. Just trying to make a point. One good build idea would be Calm Spirit, Iron Will, Lucky Break, and any other perk with a med kit. If you lose the killer and heal yourself quick, it can pause the timer. Let it be an invisibility build.

Because spine chill is a good perk, coup is not.

You can't take one persons skill and use it as a blanket statement for everybody else. Also, streamers themselves shouldn't be used as examples in this case. They spend hours a day playing, most people don't.

Nor is DH and Tinkerer good comparisons. One is distance, the other is information.

Yes, Coup 'can' be used on DH, but for one, it only has five uses against at least three survivors running DH, and two, DH only shines when it's used to reset loops. Which Coup can't negate.

sigh I know but all I want is for someone to have a civilized conversation I know its possible but people just refuse to see a POV other than their own. And if just one person would I'd be happy.