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Lack of awareness=tunneling/camping

LordGlint
LordGlint Member Posts: 8,713

Stumbled across a video in my feed today and figured it was actually pretty good for a discussion. From what I got from this was alot of cases where survivors lack awareness of whats going on or WHY a killer might act like they do, and instead resort to the typical Tunneling/camping name calling. These folks were streamers, so THEIR reactions are caught live as opposed to limited to just written EGC abuse. As for the youtuber, some of his videos are just kinda meh so I dont wanna bother getting into a discussion on HIM per say, but he DOES have afew good points in this video.

Feel like the first clip with the Huntress is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about with people yelling "camping" while the killer is actively chasing a survivor.

Comments

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,894

    I’ve watched that video. My favorite reaction was the match where the killer was Pig. Survivors like that have huge egos and completely ignore what the other side has to go through. 3 gens pop in a spam of 5 seconds, which gives the killer the right to play smarter and sweatier. But no survivors are allowed to do gens super fast but killers can’t tunnel. Killers that have the same double standard are just as bad.

  • CrowVortex
    CrowVortex Member Posts: 968

    I had a recent case of abuse for supposed tunneling. If another survivor unhooks and runs away when he/she hear's my terror radius approaching and the unhooked guy run's into me 5 second's after, i'm expected to let you go and drop all pressure?

  • Mister_xD
    Mister_xD Member Posts: 7,669

    reminds me of a game i had a little while ago, where i hooked someone in my basement (shack), went upstairs and immediately heard grass moving outside - found another survivor who would then loop me around shack, got them and hooked them aswell, just to come back up the stairs and seeing scratches all over, so i look around, find another guy, chase them (once again around shack), hook them too and have everyone suicide on hook.

    in end chat they then "called me out" for camping...

    sigh

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,713

    Well yeah, you were suppose to look for survivors on the other side of the map... NOT find the ones close by, lol

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,713

    The Bubba game where the guy is complaining about tunneling before anyone is even hooked was MY favorite. Completely normal gameplay was being RANTED over.

    Sidenote, with the changes to moris, I thought people would be fine with them now and NOT ragequit like the one dude did against Myers. Looks like Myers was spreading hooks out fairly evenly, so not sure why anyone would mind being sent out of the game in style rather than the boring entity way.

  • FancyMrB
    FancyMrB Member Posts: 1,250

    Lord this happens a LOT.

    I mostly find people hiding around the hook I literally just hooked someone on... and then they proceed to chase around the hooked person. Queue 3rd survivor unhooking hooked person and I simply down the unhooked person again... and I get called a camper and tunneler... like what???

  • GlamourousLeviathan
    GlamourousLeviathan Member Posts: 1,125

    I felt really uncomfortable watching this video. That's one of the reasons the moderation feels like it doesn't work, as these delusional pricks report people just because the other party didn't please them.

  • ThiccBudhha
    ThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,987

    I had a game where a survivor was crying about camping even though I killed them all in maybe 4 minutes and was across the map when they died. It is like... No, I tunneled someone else and slugged you. No camping involved. At least learn what to whine about it.

  • Shaped
    Shaped Member Posts: 5,915

    This. And lack of empathy is pretty normal these days I would say.

  • Mikeasaurus
    Mikeasaurus Member Posts: 2,327

    I saw this video earlier today and honestly laughed at the Huntress one. The fact they accused him of camping basement when they were literally hovering around it, and rushing down to save. I mean, what do they think is going to happen? Of course the killer is going to stay if someone floats around a hooked survivor. I've had so many people accuse me of camping and tunneling because a survivor decided to run me around the hook then try unhook in my face. It just makes me laugh that it's never their own fault for the mistakes they make, it always seems to be the killers in those situations.

  • Nikkiwhat
    Nikkiwhat Member Posts: 1,378
    edited August 2021

    Lol, I said in another thread, but I had a TTV call me a stream sniping tunneler because as Legion, with 3 tracking Perks, I was able to find the Survivors multiple times. Was called a tunnels because the Survivor went for an unhook in basement, I came down as they ran up, smacked the person who did the unhook, and because we all body blocked each other, I could catch up and downed the unhooker....


    Also as a Killer, if you unhook in the basement and both of ya'll stay in the basement to hide and I see no evidence ya'll left the basement....don't be salty when I pull both of ya out of the lockers... like why would I go easy or play dumb? Instead of learning what you did wrong, see what Perks I had & deduced the situations that may have happened due to said Perks...ya'll wanna play the victim card at how unfair I was xD.


    I watched the VOD of the Survivor who ended up DCing on me because I pulled them out of a locker and it was just hilarious how without a second thought, I was some tunneling, sniping ######### because I.......just played the game? Like there is a huge community culture of just victim syndrome where zero critical thinking or consideration is ever used.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,713

    They also were talking about the Huntress not picking him up right away to wait out DS and all that when all she did was go grab some hatchets real quick. Cant pick up a DCed survivor.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,713

    fingers crossed for that auto-ban feature to be working properly.

  • Mikeasaurus
    Mikeasaurus Member Posts: 2,327

    Yeah I mean I've done that myself as Trickster to quickly restock my knives. Or I'll quickly make sure nobody is nearby to flashlight or pallet stun. It's just amazing they instantly go to 'OMG they're avoiding DS purposely'.

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,759

    Good watch.

    It seems very hard for some people to accept reality, leave a gg, and move on.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,713

    Feel like some people expect bot like behavior or something. The Bubba video had a guy getting peeved that the Bubba could hit people without going full on ADHD and forget he existed, and then getting pissed at the Bubba for chainsawing his teammate who was unhooking him and not immediately put himself in a situation to eat a DS. Like...that was completely normal gameplay, what are you EXPECTING him to do?

  • Mikeasaurus
    Mikeasaurus Member Posts: 2,327

    Right? So many times I've had the same situation where I'm the one in the wrong for downing them both, despite the survivor just rushing the hook in my face. I mean, I had one earlier who tried to literally crouch walk behind me while I hooked the survivor to attempt to unhook right there and then, but I was the camper because of it. I'm not going to just walk away and give them a wave as they save them. Of course I'm going to stop them, especially when they make it so obvious. Like, I'm all for fair play. I'll never camp a hook or tunnel someone but you get left no choice when they pull stunts like that.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,713

    If only people would do that. I try to avoid giving people ######### in EGC no matter HOW they acted during the match (might make an exception for a hacker or someone who's trying to grieve teammates or something). I've had plenty of cases of getting BM in game where the killer would Puke on me with Plague for 2 minutes straight as I die on first hook or something. Maybe its because I play solo Q as survivor, but I typically just leave rather than wait around to talk trash. Those people who DC in the first 2 minutes, then wait around to unleash a rant when the game ends 10 minutes later are something else...

  • Emeal
    Emeal Member Posts: 5,406

    Nice find @LordGlint . Idd say it can be hard to see as a Survivor what your actions cause, remember most Survivors do not see their scratch marks etc. for instance. Camping happens because of an inability to lure the Killer away successfully or because the Killer suspects people are near by. Tunneling happens because of similar reasons. A player can only really realize this if they analyse the situation, but its hard to think clearly under pressure.

  • EvilJoshy
    EvilJoshy Member Posts: 5,295
    edited August 2021

    Most of the stuff survivors complain about just boils down to salt. They can't see what their teammates are doing or whats happening on the killer's end. Most people if they could see things from the others point of view, they would do the same thing in that situation.

    "The killer tunneled me off the hook!"

    "Instead of healing you touched a gen the moment you got unhooked and you were already hooked twice. You just showed you don't have DS. Of course the killer is gong to get rid of you"

    "The killer is camping!"

    "You teammate is looping right next to you."

    "The killer ignored my teammate and went after me!"

    "You teammate unhooked you and creeped away. All the killer see's is your blood stains. Who else are they going to chase?"

    (My all time favorite) "The killer caught me. He must be OP!"

    "No, you just got caught"

  • Raccoon
    Raccoon Member Posts: 7,759

    I'm mostly solo, too :)

    I'll sometimes stay if I get camped or tunneled out and the game was interesting or gets interesting to watch it play out, but it's never to abuse or criticize the player's game. If I'm in the endgame chat, the most people will get out of me is 'gg' or 'gg lol'. If I notice something that could help a player's current build (on either side), I may say so, which sometimes starts a constructive discussion.

    If someone camps/tunnels me or, as I recently found out, last item switches, it all falls within intended design, so I'll treat it as such. For real, an inability to do so seems to point towards an inflated sense of entitlement/inability to accept reality in an unbiased manner.

    Lately, in game/on forums/reddit/etc, most people seem to be adopting better mindsets and just enjoying the matches for what they are, regardless of the outcome - There's no real stakes, so whatever :)

    People that bash other people or are abusive/toxic in chat/forums/etc most likely have way bigger issues to work on with their gameplay and themselves, but are using these outlets/outbursts to deflect from the real issue.

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,713