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Is Pyramid Head worth learning?

So I'm really new at playing killer and of course want to learn Pyramid Head. However, every time I play a game and kill 0-1 people I just get toxic survivors saying how much I suck and how bad the killer is. I know I play bad because I'm new and learning but when they say the killer is bad and a bunch of hashtags I can't see, is there a consensus I don't know about of him being hard to play or just... bad? It's getting frustrating and disheartening when I feel as though they get easy bloodpoints from me and I get called an F-slur. Is he even worth practicing at this point? Is he just no longer used or worth playing or are they referring to me just being bad because I'm new. I never camp or tunnel I try to avoid that at all costs because I know first hand how annoying it is, so I'm unsure what I'm doing wrong.


I'd also love if someone elaborated on HOW pyramid head is "Bad" and if there's a way to play him... not "bad". The best part of the toxicity is its not constructive criticism, just criticism. Please give me something to work with without just calling me the f slur and such when I ask for advice as a noob.

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  • Seraphor
    Seraphor Member Posts: 9,436
    edited August 2021

    Pyramid Head isn't bad, he's not especially strong either though, fairly average or just above average, but if played well can certainly stand up to most survivors. Although as with any killers that aren't Nurse, Spirit, Blight or Wraith, will struggle at the highest level, but at anything less than red ranks (and then even sometimes at red ranks), all killers are perfectly viable.

    Using his power well typically involves predicting survivor movements though, which can take a long time to learn. Because there's a slight delay in using his AoE you want to aim where the survivor will be in a second or two, not where that are this moment, ideally penning a survivor into a narrow area where they can't dodge it so easily. And you want to lay his torment down in places that survivors will be forced to walk, to increases the chances of them becoming afflicted.

    One thing that is sometimes considered "bad" about him, is his cages of attonement. Using these will prevent you from getting any use of out hook related perks, such as BBQ & Chilli, or Pop Goes The Weasel, which are both meta perks. However likewise, they also rob survivors of hook related perks as well, so it's a two-way street. It especially negates Decisive Strike, which gives him a slight edge in some cases.

  • DeliciousFood
    DeliciousFood Member Posts: 464

    Pyramid head is not bad nor is he cheap unlike some killers that do get downs regardless of survivor agency beyond minor things. He is a high tier killer, often considered among the top 8, that can get hits in almost any loop with proper knowledge and some skill. The people you are facing are probably idiots, although you may have to question your playstyle since I certainly never get flamed over PPhead or really most killers.


    Are you tunnelling often? Camping? Using NOED? These things will make survivors enjoy the game far less and blame you for it, which to be fair, would be justified, however the abuse they give you certainly isn't fair or acceptable. Still, if you're getting flamed over just Pyramid Head, then I think you were just unlucky.


    Anyway, if you want to improve with Pyramid head, you need to understand his power. When it comes to the trails and when to cage, this is a skill you need to acquire on your own. Would it be better to cage now or save it later so you can potentially avoid DS? But the main thing that makes him strong is his Punishment of the Damned. Basically what allows him to hit anywhere so long as there isn't some elevation issues. I first recommend checking Otzdarva's guide to Pyramid Head and his gameplay.

    The main strategy is to threaten the survivor of a M2 attack, if they vault or drop a pallet, they'll be locked in an animation that allows a guaranteed hit. This essentially allows you to zone them for an easy M1 attack. You can also practice predicting survivor movement in tougher loops to hit them through obstacles. But most of all, I strongly recommend being careful of who you chase. The best counter to PPhead is running forward, so if they're way too far away, break chase to annoy other survivors in areas you can probably punish them with your power.

    Learn the tiles and how loops work if you're new. Maybe play survivor and use a simpler killer like Wraith to understand how loops work. You'll gain game sense faster.

    Is Pyramid worth learning? Absolutely. He's very much unique to other killers, even those with anti-loop like him. He's also pretty damn cool.

  • Kebek
    Kebek Member Posts: 3,676
    edited August 2021

    Sorry to hear that you're facing so many toxic dirtbags. And no, PH is not a bad killer, actually he's probably among the top 10 strongest killers in DBD.

    As you've probably figured out, he's not easy to play, properly using his PotD, predictiong it through walls, properly landing it at loops, even getting multi hits with it is all part of skillful gameplay you need to get accustomed to when playing him. Right next to utilising his cages and torment.

    Depending on quality of survivor you play against (like even if you're new but already face good players every now and then) against and also your own overall decision making, chase gameplay, map awerness etc, playing too fairly might hinder your performance a lot. Ofc it's completely fine if you like playing very kindly towards survivors but sometimes against some survivors, using "dirty" tactics is just mandatory to keep your pressure up.


    I recommend searching YT or twich for a good PH main and watch how they play him, that usually is the best way to learn ins and outs of a killer. But above all, have fun playing him and DBD as a whole. Don't let some toxic survivors get to you just because you're learning or have a bad game.

  • DontNerf
    DontNerf Member Posts: 990

    He's a killer who is powerful when played well. If you play him on an off day prepare for pain. But otherwise he's definitely worth learning

  • Nikkiwhat
    Nikkiwhat Member Posts: 1,378

    I tried to learn him, but until fixed, it's been a nightmare on console as I lag/freeze when using his power. That said, I still found him very fun. It's worth putting the time & effort to at least try each Killer. Even tho I didn't stick with every Killer, it's worth giving em a few test runs.


    With Pyramid Head, I he has a fun power with sending people to cages and range hitting Survivors. He isn't insanely strong but he can out some great pressure on Survivors, esp with a built-in Mori!

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,956

    Pyramid Head is a strong killer but has a skill cap. You just need practice like anything else. Everyone starts somewhere when learning a killer and there’s no need to feel bad when you’re just starting to play a new killer.

    People like those survivors you mentioned are ######### and I’m sorry you had to go through that. It’s just something you have to accept sadly. There’s just always gonna be people like that. I would recommend turning off the chat though by clicking the button on the bottom right of the chat box.

  • ukenicky
    ukenicky Member Posts: 1,352

    Firstly please report people for harassment. We don't need people like that in the game and I'm sorry you deal with that. I always report people who think it necessary to drop slurs in end game chat and so should you.

    Secondly, Pyramid Head is an absolute beast once you learn and get good with him and he has a pretty steep learning curve imo. There's actually two reasons he's quite scorned, first is his ranged attack which feels bad to go down against at certain loops where there isn't much you can do against it. The other reason is that his other power to torment and set people in cages counters literally ALL perks that proc off of being hooked/unhooking others and his ability to mori tormented survivors on death hook is also something survivors don't tend to like very much.

    Pyramid Head is strong at tunneling people out of matches that's why he's usually hated. That said I encourage you to put in the time in learning him. It's up to you whether you want to "play fair" or not. Personally I try not to tunnel as killer but there's nothing wrong with doing it when you're down and the situation presents itself. Much like slugging, it's a high risk high reward scenario.

    Like genuinely as long as you aren't face camping on first hook or tunneling said person off the hook there really is no reason for the survivors to complain. But hey sometimes that's just what everyone does (On both sides mind you). Remember that ppl are gonna complain no matter what sometimes and you can't make everyone happy by trying to win and do well. Just focus on having fun, getting better at the game and not griefing others experiences for no reason whatsoever bcuz that's what makes more bullies

  • EntitySpawn
    EntitySpawn Member Posts: 4,233

    From my personal view depends on how good servers you get. Times iv played him and similar killers and have hits/downs robbed due to meh servers sadly

    However I'd say try all killers and then play who you enjoy the most. Doesnt matter who it is, the addons or perks you use as long as you're having fun that's the main part.

    Ignore all toxic and hateful players, they're just a disease in online games

  • Pepsidot
    Pepsidot Member Posts: 1,663
    edited August 2021

    As with every other killer with bad mobility (and even killers with good mobility), he suffers from genrushing. If survivors hammer those gens, particularly if you don't have any slowdown perks and/or at the highest level, you can still lose no matter how good you are.

    But yes I'd say he's definitely worth learning. He's really good in 1v1's (and is one of the best killers for tunneling). Disclaimer: I'm not a Pyramid Main (but am a PH enjoyer).

    You ask how to play PH. In essence, hold M2 whilst going around loops when you're reasonably close to a survivor. If the survivor drops the pallet and you've got a good reaction time use your special attack when they're locked in the animation. Same thing with windows. If they try to loop the pallet again quickly let go of M2 and either hit them with your basic attack or if you're not close enough, repeat. If they decide to loop the same pallet, they will now be affected by torment trail.

    If someone is unhooking in your face hold M2 at the hooked player and if you time it correctly you will make the unhooker and the unhooked player both lose a health state (unless the unhooker has BT).

    Also: You can try and get hits through walls via your power but it can waste a lot of time so it's not usually worth it. Good survivors will hold W and waste a lot of your time if you miss.

  • Yords
    Yords Member Posts: 5,800

    If you want to be an unstoppable (almost unstoppable, the W key hurts him the most) behemoth of an abomination then hell yes you should get good with him.

  • AtomicKola
    AtomicKola Member Posts: 6

    Wow thank you so much I will take a look at this later!!

  • AtomicKola
    AtomicKola Member Posts: 6

    Thank you! I didn't know I could turn chat off! I will continue to practice then :)

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,956

    I don’t play much of PH but I will say that your power is most effective at jungle jims, shack, TL walls, and loops like that. When you predict a survivor is going to vault a window or go to the pallet, you can start charging your punishment of the damned and put a survivor in a lose-lose situation. If they vault the window or throw the pallet, then immediately cast out the shock wave. If they don’t, cancel your power and go for the M1. You might miss a few attacks with your power as his turning is limited while he has his sword in the ground and it takes a bit of prediction and aim. First time I played PH, I messed up his power many times.

    Also in generic round loops, you can use your power to cover them with trails to force the survivor looping you to either waste the pallet or to get tormented. His cages aren’t the strongest but it is a neat tool that could pay off if you use them correctly.

    About the cages though, it’s not always best to just send them to cages. If you know other survivors are further away when you down a tormented survivor, it’s best to just hook them. If there’s another survivor near by, you can immediately send the downed tormented survivor to a cage and start the next chase immediately instead of trying to risk slugging a survivor.

    I hope all this helps.

  • AtomicKola
    AtomicKola Member Posts: 6

    Thank you, this was easy to understand I appreciate it!

  • QwQw
    QwQw Member Posts: 4,698
    edited August 2021

    It's okay, man. I've been trying to learn Nemesis and I keep getting toxic survivors too. You just have to ignore their petty-asses.

    As for Triangle Head himself, I'd say he's worth learning. He's one of the stronger killers, and although he takes some time getting used to, you won't regret it.

  • Yamaoka
    Yamaoka Member Posts: 4,321
    edited August 2021

    He's okay. He can shut down loops unless elevation comes into play and his trails and cages allow for strategic plays.

    However even if you spend your time mastering him don't expect to beat a full team of smart survivors because although he's good in the 1 v 1 he lacks what most killers lack which is:

    - Map pressure

    - chase mobility (holding forward and skipping loops may cost you the game if you commit to those chases) whereas other chasers like Spirit, Nurse, Blight etc. don't give a damn about holding W.

    - stealth (you can hear him extremely well and he emits so many sounds that warn survivors about everything he does. If you chase someone everyone will know you're in chase when you take the first shot even if you miss because of the global sound so gens may go faster than against other killers as even scared survivors are always informed about your actions)

    etc.

    Also his power is not reliable at times due to the shockwave's built-in delay.

    That being said he is a fairly strong chase killer but just don't expect to win against all strong teams especially if the map has a lot of elevations limiting your power.

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  • hiken
    hiken Member Posts: 1,188

    it will take 5 matches most to learn how to play him, so give him a try.

  • FancyMrB
    FancyMrB Member Posts: 1,250

    He isn't bad at all. He is a beast with practice (like most killers)!

    Unlike most killers his power is very useful and has no direct counter besides dodging/ crouching.

    Keep practicing and turn chat off for Entity's sake!!! Don't let hater get you down. People are real jerks in this game just to be jerks.

  • miketheratguy
    miketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719

    Never, ever let the insults of random strangers deter you from enjoying a video game. If someone thinks that you're a (gay slur) because you aren't good with a certain killer, especially because of the simple reason that you only just began trying to learn how to use him, then that person's probably got a lot more problems than what he's trying to cause you.

    Most killers have a lot of nuance and require a lot of practice and patience to get good with. Take your time, try to enjoy yourself, and don't let yourself be frustrated if it takes a while for you to start getting more frequent kills. Stick with it and you'll get there.

  • TacitusKilgore
    TacitusKilgore Member Posts: 1,380

    Absoloutely. No other killer gets such dopamine injecting moments like phead. If you've ever gotten a multihit as him, or perfectly predicted a shot through the wall, you'll know what i mean. He absoloutely wrecks when you get really good at him, arguably i'd say besides nurse or blight he has the highest skill payoff in the game.

  • Zozzy
    Zozzy Member Posts: 4,759

    pp head and Nemesis are good lazy killers. If survivors sweat then you will lose no doubt, but they can easily hold rank 1 while you listen to music.

  • Adjatha
    Adjatha Member Posts: 1,814

    A lot of people will say Pyramid Head is a strong killer. This is greatly misleading. He is an M1 killer, almost exclusively. His power is ONLY useful at pallets and windows. The slowdown, delay, warning noise, warning light, inability to shift it even moderately to the left or right, and the TREMENDOUS wait time between using it and regaining control of your character is so overwhelmingly punishing that even slightly skilled survivors will evade and escape any chase you attempt to use it and miss. It is also the second shortest 'ranged' attack, and the actual slowest to hit the furthest point.


    What Pyramid Head IS good at is hitting survivors who get into animation locks (throwing a pallet, vaulting a window). However, there is a significant delay between when you plant the sword and when you can use it which, along with the auditory/visual warning survivors get, and the extremely limited turning ability means that you must approach every spot at the precise correct angle or you'll miss. Additionally, if they know you're going for it, they can just not drop/vault and you waste time picking the sword back out of the ground. This window of usefulness is very difficult to pick up. Not as hard as learning Nurse, certainly, but you'll find yourself just hitting with M1 for 90% of your damage output.


    His other ability, the Torment Trails, is absolutely awful. It has two reliable uses: disposing of a survivor without wasting time carrying them to the hook, and killing a survivor without losing a permanent hook. All the other applications are entirely contingent on the players. Did they run Borrowed Time / Decisive Strike / flashlights / whatever perk? Well, congrats, you negated it. However, it locks you out of some really good killer perks too, and that's 100% assured. Additionally, putting down trails takes an unreasonable amount of time, they last for a very short amount of time, they can't be placed anywhere you'd want to put them, survivors can 100% avoid them by just stealthing through, the tracking from having them set off is completely useless, and every person you cage effectively removes 2 instances of Torment from the survivor team. It is BAD. Just plain, flat-out bad.


    And, finally, Pyramid Head has the worst addons of any killer in the entire game. All of his purple and iridescent addons are useless. They have literally no use. The only three that do anything of note are the brown, yellow, and green ones that extend the range of his shockwave. So, you're basically playing a killer with no addon support. And, what's worst, there are so many people who will SAY "oh Pyramid Head is the top tier! Just below Nurse and Spirit!" that the addons and torment trails will never be fixed, changed, buffed, or reworked in any way. So, you're in a mud pit for good.


    So, is it work it to learn him? Ehhhhh. The character of Pyramid Head is great. I love him. He's why I bought the game. But his kit is mostly useless, and his actual killer power is wildly over-stated with how good it is. It certainly has SOME use, and players CAN get good enough with it to shut down loops some of the time, but he's the most over-hyped killer out there. He's soundly middle-tier. He mostly just walks around and swings his sword. If you're playing bad players, maybe you'll get a chance to use a cage or two and avoid Decisive Strike, but that's pretty much it.

  • Predated
    Predated Member Posts: 2,976

    Wraith struggles at the highest level unless you mean highest level solo surv. Highest level swf and wraith still struggles.

    I am 100% of the opinion that killers cannot be buffed in the current state of the game, due to how painstakingly hard solo queue is. If you have to keep consideration of solo survivor, there are 5 killers that are near impossible to win against unless you happen to have good synergy.

  • MrPenguin
    MrPenguin Member Posts: 2,426
    edited August 2021

    PH is just ok, against any competent survivor team he gets destroyed like most of the roster. If you really want a killer "worth learning" and if by that you mean strong against good teams, you're looking at like 3-4 killers: Nurse, Spirit, Blight, and maybe 1 or 2 others depending on who you ask.


    "I never camp or tunnel I try to avoid that at all costs because I know first hand how annoying it is, so I'm unsure what I'm doing wrong."

    Well if you care about winning that'll need to change unfortunately, at least on the tunneling part. Getting a player out the game ASAP is what the killer should be aiming to do. I know the feeling of not wanting to do it but you have to choose between being nice and really playing to win. I usually opt for the nicer rout myself, so ultimately whatever brings you the most satisfaction is what you should go for.

    Camping is hit or miss depending on the team you're against, so its too risky (and boring) for my taste personally.


    He is harder to play than most killers, even so he's not particularly strong. But he's fun once you get good at him. Biggest single piece of advice I could give is to try and mostly use your power when a survivor has no choice but to be in a certain place, like when they're stuck in an animation, or there's not really any room to move around. Otherwise its pretty easy to dodge and they have a audio warning you're ready to use it even if they can't see you. Although if you want to have more fun you can try for more risky shots.

  • ThiccBudhha
    ThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,987

    As overrated as I personally feel he is, he is probably one of the strongest killers to learn and one trick that doesn't have a high skill ceiling. His ceiling is still quite high, but I do not feel he needs specialized knowledge like Nurse, Spirit, or Blight.

  • DocFabron
    DocFabron Member Posts: 2,410

    If he looks fun to you, then yes. He's got a decent power and can potentially counter BT and DS. Hes not top tier, but around the mid-range.

  • ThatOneDemoPlayer
    ThatOneDemoPlayer Member Posts: 5,623

    As many people above me stated, yes. He is definitely worth learning as he is among the top 10 killers and is quite fun to play aswell

  • Nemmy_Wemmy
    Nemmy_Wemmy Member Posts: 800

    Thanks for the reply on that other thread! I hear you're a demo and phead enjoyer as well! I'd love to see how you play them like perks n add-ons I mean!

  • TerrorUnleashed
    TerrorUnleashed Member Posts: 497

    Honestly, I'm asking the same question. I've recently started out with him myself, and of course being on console it's all hit-and-miss when it comes to glitches and lag while playing him...

  • unluckycombo
    unluckycombo Member Posts: 582

    PH is 100% worth the time investment, especially if you find him fun. He's a really good Killer with a unique playstyle, and those before me explain him a lot better then I can!

    So instead, I'll just leave you with the tip of not letting others get to you (Especially while learning a new Killer) and to never forget that you can disable post-game chat if you feel inclined to do so.