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Killers should really respect KOBE more
It is 100% disheartening when you are one of two survivors left with the experience and know how to not group up and do stupid things, and the other person has no, erm, gonads. So you're like "Alright let me die now" and you actually hit that 12% chance of unhooking yourself just for the killer to come back immediately and get you. I have had the WORST kind of killer down the whole group and I was over the game so I walked up to him and begged to be downed. Again, in the process of trying to die, I got the KOBE!!! This man tried to farm points from me and I refused, so after all my friends died he took me to the hatch. More people need to be like that, respect the KOBE. Don't just assume they are running Deliverance (had a killer down me because he thought that was the case and then apologized for disrespecting the KOBE). It's a bit stupid to waste a perk slot for that...
Edit: By respect, I in no way mean give me the hatch. I mean give the person the respect of not being around the corner. Go look for the wuss who isn't helping the teammate.
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There is no reason for that. It is just Luck, nothing more. You got 1500 points for the Self-Unhook, this is at least something.
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I'd respect it more if it wasn't always First hook suiciders...
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They aren't obligated but I personally do
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Killers should respect that you getting lucky? They have no obligation to do so.
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I will on occasion
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You want people to respect a RNG aspect?
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I got told I was a soulless for not respecting it the other day.
And for not farming.
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I personally feel that it needs no respect. I play both sides. I really think why should the killer respect RNG. There is no skill to it. If they added a harder yellow glyph like system to it, then it would be skill. Even then I would still feel like it needs no respect. When was the last time anyone played survivor and saw something the killer did and "respected" it? "Respected" that action so much they were like hey killer I'm going to let you sacrifice me.
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I appreciate the additional hook that now can be gained by putting you back on it, more blood points for us both... not going to let you just escape though.
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No respect for the hook handout mechanic. Hatch is bad enough.
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I'm not looking for some to hand the hatch to me, but a tunnel is a crap. Especially when you were the only one doing gens because others dont know how to play the game. The instance where the killer gave me hatch was literally just funny!!! I actually wanted him to down me and that mans straight up was like "Nope, deserve hatch"! I usually only get KOBE when I am actually just trying to die because the killer is #########. Just let me run a bit, killer is more than likely still going to get hatch. coming straight of a hook alone is a horrific handicap as is. I totally get some peoples comments though. Didint know I got BPs for a KOBE
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I have actually allowed good players to have a hook just because they were outstanding but got no hooks and I felt bad (death hooks mind you). But I play both sides and I would definitely respect a KOBE. You got pretty damn lucky, so why not! I also tend to play killer and let people win after being tunneled as survivor because, if it happens to me, it happens to everyone and survivors desrve a break from all the tunneling. Have gotten a lot of respect and ily's from survivors that way. This game isnt as fun as it used to be because people are toxic and take it WAY to seriously. Devs need different match types. Ranked and "no tunneling, camping, fun" mode. I guess it just depends on what kind of individual you are at heart.
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4% unless you're running slippery meat and luck offerings
If you kobe, that just means you're getting back on that hook. The respect part was when they actually left the hook.
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They didn't. They were hiding around the corner looking for the person that was over there. Also, I say 12% because every attempt is 4% I got off on the third try. I don't waste offerings and items when playing solo, especially with console players.
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Depends. Was it a good match? Was the survivor respectful? Did I fulfill my challenge?
If no to any of those then, nope. Survivor going right back on dat hook ^^
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I today placed a trap as hag pretty much where they landed after a Kobe, teleported back and slapped them down.
I sometimes give hatch, I rarely slug for the 4k and pretty much only if the last survivor is kinda right there. Mercy, hatch, another chance... you have to do more than just RNG off a hook, which you were doing to die quicker anyway.
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I've had it both ways. I had an awful game against Hag one time where I managed to self-unhook during EGC, only to land directly on a Hag trap, which made her pop back and kill me.
On the other hand, I had a game against a Ghostface a few weeks ago that was one of the stupidest I've ever played, where my three teammates kept hook-bombing and I had to keep leaving my gen to try to pick them up / unhook them when all three of them were down. After a few rounds of that, we all ended up hooked in the basement, and I managed to self-unhook just before the auto-kill would have happened. The Ghostface and I just stared at each other for a second, and then he let me run for the hatch.
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I love this! I enjoy people who expect that, that is the end and then you just pop off and they're like "Well shhhhht"! and just watch you run away. But I also understand some reasons for not letting people have the KOBE. Also, would Jake Park's Calm Spirit keep Hag traps from triggering, do you know?
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No. Die
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No, calm spirit just prevents screaming. Try holding crouch while you attempt to jump off. It may work, but I haven't tried it against hags trap yet.
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who cares? if a killer wants to, they will. if they dont, dont cry about it. they have 0 obligation.
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You may find this hard to believe but there is no survivor's rule book for killers.
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If they are the last person, i usually respect it so long as they let their other teamate die (if they were both hooked at the time) but otherwise its just like any other unhook and i treat it no differently. You aren't really obligated to meme around because of random chance
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First time I'm hearing of 'Kobe' being used in casual DBD conversation. I don't like it.
And no, no one Killer has the obligation to both understand what you are implying through restricted, in-game actions, and has no responsibility to accept such pleas, either. The whole idea you've concepted is ludicrous.
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Killers have enough rules and ridiculous expectations of them already, they don't need to "respect" something that shouldn't be in the game to begin with.
This is up there with "If the survivor doesn't wiggle they get hatch" nonsense people spew. Like, congratulations if you're a fan of stockholm syndrome, I guess.
Also, did you just... equate 3 chances at 4% individually each to 12% chance total? lol
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If I'm not mistaken it's still only a 4% chance because statistics aren't additive. Each pull is separate from each other and still a 4% chance.
But considering it's 3 pulls with any of them being the singular result you're looking for I don't know if the gamblers fallacy applies here.
Does anyone know?
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Try contributing? I've been on these forums since 2018 my friend. Mind you, every comment I make either brings something to the table or bolsters the point of another here. No, 'Kobe', is not a well-known term around these parts; to that you would have to suggest some other late star is also a popular name in the community. And while we're at it, having never heard a pathetic pseudo-term is not indicative of playtime, nor is playtime indicative of skill (which is what you are so helplessly -- and foolishly -- implying). The ill-fated aplomb to this one is amusing. There's no discussion about this; it's just you placing an opinion in the threads as if it's fact.
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I dont believe anyone should be given hatch. But I wont pass up the bloodpoints if a killer offers it. There are no ridiculous expectations of killers, especially with the increasing tunneling and camping. Also yes!!! If you have three chances to escape the hook at 4% each try that equates to a total of 12%. What that means is you had an overall, 12% chance at escaping the hook altogether.
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Respect the Kobe? Don't you think that's just a little itty bitty tiny bit ridiculously entitled?
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I wouldn't be opposed to a 6 second endurance if you do get lucky. Just so something has the chance of happening. Most cases you kobe then just get hit down again because killers wait for struggle.
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You do know that kobe is far more delicious meat, right? It would be disrespectful not to go after the kobe meat.
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I will never respect a Kobe.
Other people never respected my Kobe, so why would I go out of my way to respect others their Kobe. That's just some big entitlement from you tbh.
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I respect the 4% to a degree. Just because a survivor 4% does not mean they get to live to me. What it means to me is... you get a chance to survive. I mean I don't face camp or tunnel so generally speaking if you unhook yourself... it's just like if someone else unhooked you to me. Now if you are the last survivor and you do it.... I MAY give you the hatch - just depends on my mood at the time, but in no way do I feel you have earned it or are owed the hatch.
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Its not their Job tho so they dont need to do it. But i do usually
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Nah
I feel like a baseball player when I stand in front of the hooked survivor, he Kobes at at me and I smack him as he lands, it feels too good
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No.
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The game already has so many infuriating rng aspects to it why should we respect one more that literally undos so much pressure and may cost us the game or even just a 4k. I don't usually slug for the 4k but I've gotten to the point where I'm too lazy to carry someone to hatch most days however if they find it then whatever but having someone kobe just means more work for me.
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It really doesn't, it's 11.52% The formula is 1-(1-P)^n. 1 try 4%, 2 tries 7.84%, 3 tries 11.52%. That's actual maths.
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I respect the Kobe, as in, I am aware it can happen and will camp your hook state if I am going for a 4k. Lol.
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Ask yourself this. Why don't players respect the killer equivalent of Kobe more often?
If you succesfully answered that with wait there isn't one then you can start to understand why many players don't respect the kobi.
I like the kobe mechanic for the lore and hype value behind it but that doesn't mean i need to hand out free escapes to people who never took agro or plan to stop playing after first hook 11,5% of the time
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No they don’t need to.
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No survivor is owed the win or the hatch. In terms of respect, I just want some time to actually do something rather let me die before the ######### teammate who doesn't deserve the chance at trying.
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The sheer fact that the majority of the thread understood what the term meant suggests to me that it is commonly understood as “getting the 4%”. I recall a few years back there even being a discussion that we should drop the name due to the passing of the namesake, but it being disagreed upon because it in no way harmed his image.
Whether it’s a good name or not is subjective, but it is by no means a “pseudo-term”.
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4% = insta-tunneling and slug until bleed out
outside of 4 perks and broken items, there’s no need to “have luck”
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Not a pseudo-term? First time I've seen it used actively as opposed to someone throwing it into a statement as if everybody was fully aware of the context behind it. Granted, I was absent for about a good few months back in 2019, and one or two last year, but I by no means have encountered the term's usage in any scale like this. It would have been, if ever I did, one of those terms that was injected into a title and one which I would see people commenting 'Huh?' due to its relative niche coinage. May I add I never said it was a 'bad' term. I just said I had hardly heard it before. You may think it exceedingly popular, but the thing is, I can guarantee you it is very much not. Outside of these forums, there'd be very few non-forum-based people who would be familiar with the term. And that possibility is definitely heightened when you consider the type of players the overarching player-base is; casual solo queues who usually watch a DBD video every now and again on YouTube, if anything.
Also, a few years back? My friend, you surely know that Kobe only passed early last year? I am shocked that for a term so 'well-known' (by your count), and one that takes the name of someone so popular, you would forget such a event's occurrence. But then again, you mightn't keep on top of world events, so who am I to judge?
Anyway. Why are we debating this? If debating ever fit? This is a pointless argument. I am unsure as to why you couldn't have just stated that you understood it. It wouldn't have been verbatim or rude, which I construed your response as supportive of the latter. Cheers. :)
Edit: Just thought I might add that the '4%' could go by many names, so just because I don't refer to it as a 'Kobe', that does not mean that I am ignorant to the whole idea.
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Yeah, survivors should be stuck in games so that killers can feel scary and powerful and have everything happen the way they want.
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Kobe IS a well-known term. Using the term does not automatically mean I am suggesting another late star name is popular in the community. I guess not hearing the common term just means you don't have friends that are heavily rooted in the DBD community. Nothing I said had any implication towards your skill in the game. All I said was the concept of a discussion is to discuss. In which, this is discussion, as people are conversing about why they don't agree with my statement. Nothing I said implies that my opinion is matter-of-fact. I simply think (a mere opinion) that killers should give the self-escape of a hook due to sheer luck, a better chance at redemption.
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Why? It's completely RNG. This is like saying survivors should make sure a killer gets a free down when Haunted Grounds pops.
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If I expected a killer to be around the corner, I wouldn't risk the kobe. Unless if I didn't that's a 4k to the killer, but if he's hovering then it's expecting to be downed, unless you can pull off some slick moves.
But a kobe is just a luck chance. I don't think a survivor would let a killer down them if that killer had jumped from the top floor of the Coal Tower, 360'd and threw a hatchet which randomly hits a healthy survivor. They wouldn't then go "Great shot, Huntress! Here, down me and get your hook!".
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The killer have no obligation to respect it so no
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