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In general, winning as killer is much more easy?!
A simple "logical" thought, let me hear your opinion.
Getting a 4 man escape is much more difficult then getting 4 kills. I have not seen any team escaping 100 times in a row while plenty of killers have 100, 200 or even up to 600 and more 4Ks in a row.
I am aware that Trapper or other low tier killer probably will have a hard time winning 100 times in a row (even tho i have seen that) but i have never ever seen a survivor (including myself) solo escaping more then 30 times.
Any thoughts about this? Is my logic flawed in that case?
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It's not easier, there's just so much variation across all ranks that killers can easily win if they take out the weak players. Sometimes, every player is a weak player. If you're going to use winstreaks as a form of balance or measure of difficulty, then I don't really know what to tell you, friend, aside from that's really dumb.
The only thing about what you said being true here is that it's easier to go on a win streak as a killer than it is as a survivor by virtue of so many more variables being at play. One camping Bubba can end your entire winstreak if you're doing it solo. If you're doing a SWF winstreak? Much easier, less variation, but one really good killer can play smart and end it on a favorable map with a high tier killer and good perks.
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Yes but arent those variables not the reason why it is more easy to get those win streaks? Of course it might be over very fast when you run into a Tournament squad, but that can also happen every survivor who plays against a very good killer.
I am not saying that i use this as a ballance metric, but isnt it very odd that killers can have more wins in a row then survivors. The variables also depend on the killer. It might be that a survivor has a bad day, but also the killer can have a bad day eswell and loose because of that.
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It is much easier, yes. Official killrate is about 65-70%. Until rank 7-5 I win around 80% of my games with Wraith, most of them with only 1-2 gens done.
Concerning winning streaks. Ayrun lately made a 30 solo escapes streak, he used keys every match though. That's not much and he is one of the best loopers.
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No. I find survivor to be easier for me but both sides are hard in their own right
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Not comparable, game is asymetrical. Besides if we were to compare, you can't expect that power role will be unable to hard forcea kill on at least 2 people if using the most cheap tactics.
Killer is just 1 person so fully utilising your skill to get results is much more consistent compared to fully utilising the same level of skill on 4 people.
Also should the mew MMR work, we can say goodbye to the era of high killstreaks since it's impossible to do when you face players of equal skill.
So no, it's not easier. It's just that ranking is a broken mess that enables it.
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If you play against 4 good survivors then you'll realize that this game is much more difficult as a killer. Until SBMM gets implemented the fact is it is easier to play killer because, again, there's so many people who don't belong in the ranks they are, on both sides, that it is objectively easier for killers to win. It's easier at low ranks as a killer, which is why so many killers get into the green/purple ranks and they can't handle it, or the speed in which gens go.
Though, even with SBMM I would probably say it's easier to play killer *in general* because a mediocre killer playing 4 mediocre survivors will favor the killer, but a high skilled killer against 4 high skilled survivors will favor the survivors. The latter scenario most of this community cannot relate to, hence the lack of understanding around the topic.
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Gaining bp is easier which some people count as a win when they get alot
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According to that (and i dont say i disagree), getting kills as killer is in general much more easy, also on high ranks, because survivors can be red ranked without beeing even good (i kinda agree with you here, maybe we are both wrong).
But if this would be the case, why do we have so many complains that killer is so hard, when killing survivors on red rank is easy?
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To me it is. And I have more hours on survivor than killer. Played both at red ranks. I find piping easier also. Compared to solo surv I mean.
But going against swf is too stressful when it happens if they are good and bmey.
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Excuse me for my top quality graphs, I spent a whole 2 minutes to make them.
Difficulty curve without SBMM for killer:
Difficulty line? with SBMM:
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Hopefully it works like that, but who knows lol.
When is SBMM going to be active?
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How many squads do you see always playing together, with the sole aim of escaping as a 4 man?
Naturally it is easier to record a win streak on a killer as the only person that needs to show up and decide they want to sweat it out. Compared to 4 individuals that need to play together, while each of them using optimal builds and all that jazz.
Solo survivor escape streaks are more difficult, as they must depend on their team.
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People need to stop taking a sacrifice as Survivor as a loss. You can pip as a dead survivor. That is the game telling you, you have performed your job accurately and were awarded a higher place in rank.
Same with Killer. People need to stop considering a 2 escape as a loss. 2 Survivors can escape and you can still pip. That is the game telling you, you have performed your job accurately and were awarded a place in rank.
When you black pip is when the game tells you performed just enough for a draw.
The objective of the game is to help your side the best you can, not complete the ultimate goal. Survivor is to survive as much as you can. Killer is to kill as much as you can.
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None, since it is already challanging to have 1 specific survivor escape, not even mentioning all 4.
I am certaint that the best team in the world would struggle 100 4-man-escapes in a row while 100 4Ks as a killer is done countless times.
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Sure, as a whole I think they can realize that yes, you may have died but your team won. The problem is I don't think when a survivor dies they, themselves, view it as a win, right? If you escape, you win. As a killer, if you kill 3 people, you win. Of course, some people say "If you have fun, you won" People also don't like not having fun. You could go 100 to 0 to give your team a shot to win because you're being camped, but.. maybe you want to just get out and go onto the next game ASAP. I find the more skilled players around you, the easier what someone decides to do becomes to that kinda stuff.
I think a lot of people dislike going against a sweaty killer, but if there's one thing I respect about them it's that a really good killer isn't going to camp, and they're far less likely to tunnel. You know as a survivor they're going to be competent, and you know the survivors will be. You can really abuse this fact inside of SBMM. You never return to the hook, except you plan to do it when they don't expect it and catch two people healing.
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You clearly haven't seen tournament level teams, if they would play in public matches they would have no issues achieving it. They play on KYF with tournament level killers...
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Killers are told all the time "Get over it". The hypocrisy is unreal. You don't get to dictate what is a win. The game has set rules as to what is a win, and players need to accept that and move on. Not just the Killers the Survivors too. No more "I died, but everyone else lived. I have this pip, but because I died I didn't win". Players acting like that is the problem, not what constitutes a win.
It's like coming second in a race, and then getting upset you didn't get gold. The race doesn't just get to demand gold. They get told, suck it up, and move on. At least you got Silver. Do better next time.
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I used to play in tournaments. I have never seen any crazy streak like that. To be fair, i dont know anybody going for it, but it is not unusual that even very good teams loose players during a match, if the killer is really good. It might be maybe possible on low ranks tho but for sure not on a regular base.
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Once you know the basics of looping (how to run tiles correctly, mindgames) and at least some tricks for every killer (which can be learnt watching a quick youtube video), it's incredible easy. Even when I play killers that I rarely touch I still win most of my games. Hopefully SBMM makes it more of a challenge.
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Each side can have it's difficulties really depends on how good your team and yourself are at looping every killer and knowing which pallets are safe and not safe. Killers they have to know when to split off when a survivor is looping them very well, as well as knowing which pallets to break and which ones are unsafe.
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Killer is way easier for beginners, that's for sure. And then when killers actually start going against survivors that know how to play, they lose their mind and think the game is unfair for them, not realizing they were never good to begin with and didn't really earn those kills.
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It is just as achievable, it just takes more organization. Otz 50 kill streaks get broken all the time, not because he isn't good enough or cannot achieve it and he even allows hatch plays to not break it. For a killer the same issue is that one good team can break the streak. How many tournament teams do you know go into public matches to sweat it out?
You just see it more frequently as a killer, as more people attempt it. Even you admit that you don't know anyone even attempting it.
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Yes, killers win too easily. Killers won't admit they can't win as survivor 100 times in a row. I've never seen it.
A survivor is lucky to win 5 times in a row.
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If Killer was actually difficult, even less people would play Killer.
The challenge is in solo Survivor play. Even the best Survivors in the game can't pull escape streaks like Killer streaks and they have to use keys to do it.
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If a killer is playing against a full team of solo q survivors and camps, they will 100% win. Simply because no one knows who's getting the save and usually the survivors with less than 1,000 hours will actually go down near the hook.
If a killer vs a swf it fully depends on the rng of the game. What perks they brought, the map, skill of the survivors etc.
Getting these win streaks as survivor are fully dependent on three things:
- If your in a swf
- The skill of the swf
- If their objective is to make sure you escape or if everyone has to escape.
Here's a simple example. I played with my swf on friday from 8 till 2. They were drinking but I wasn't because I couldn't. I escaped every single game we had except for the final 2 where we didn't do gens and only went for flashlight saves. I wasn't bringing keys (only flashlights) and the objective wasn't for me to only escape.
If you really tried to get big win streaks as survivor I think it would be quite easy.
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Getting a 3 man escape doesn't mean the killer won either, Most likely depip'd on his end.
You should reword your whole topic to instead of 'Winning' In general getting a PERFECT win as a killer is much more easy in that sense I disagree.
It's pretty easy to secure at least one kill by you know...face camping. Just because I secured one kill and you chalk it up to killer being easy just because 4 escape isn't possible is just misdirecting.
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I dont know what you mean by that, i think i made it clear what winning means in this case.
Also, 600 4Ks are 600 4Ks in a row. Try that as survivor.
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You're comparing two things that have completely different gameplay mentality.
One is playing solely by his own set of skills and the other can get screwed just because he had one teammate drooling on his keyboard. A more honest comparison is escaping by yourself and getting two pips. Since you know both have different evaluation when it comes to pipping.
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Pipping with killer is easier.
For survivor, you are at the mercy of the killers skill. If the killer sucks and chases one survivor for multiple gens, no one is pipping. You be lucky to black pip. Once I was the top survivor with well over 20k BP and just barely black pip. You are relying on too many specific interations to happen just to pip. Not to meantion AFK killers. Good luck not depipping against that.
For killers, every action you take counts towards emblem progress. Most times, two emblems at once. Yes a good team can depip you but most of the time you will either pip or black pip.
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