Insidious Buff, Unrelenting Buff, Surveillance Rework Suggestions

I'd love to hear any ideas on a good rework/improvement for Monstrous Shrine btw.

@thesuicidefox said:
Surveillance should show you repair progress of the gens within X/Y/Z distance to you. Then you can use it to see which gens are being worked on or need to be kicked.

I like the suggestion for Unrelenting getting a Brutality BP bonus. We have Deviousness and 2 Hunter but no Brutality.

Aura reading on Insidious....ehhhhh... the problem with the perk is that people use it to camp hooks. I feel like this change would just make that worse. I honestly don't know what they could do with this perk to fix that and keep it as a stealth perk.

@Nightshade said:
I'd love to hear any ideas on a good rework/improvement for Monstrous Shrine btw.

I suggested in another thread that for every survivor hooked in the basement apply an X% penalty to repair progression to all other survivors. Something substantial like 10% per survivor, which would force survivors to make the save sooner rather than later, letting you pressure the group by using the basement.

I'm down for that Surveillance idea too as an alternative. I mean shoot, anything to make it more usable.

Yeah that's what I was thinking--a slight buff to the missed attack speed plus a BP bonus as an added incentive. There was noticeably nothing for Brutality yet and "Unrelenting" sounds like a fitting perk to bolster it.

What if it was added that Insidious couldn't be activated within 24 meters of a hooked survivor? (Ooo I'm totally adding that to the main post). Also playing a bit of devil's advocate, I think one of the reasons Insidious is used to camp hooks is because it's the only bait a killer can be fairly certain the survivors will go for. The slight aura read would definitely help in ambushing survivors around buildings, generators, tall grass, and areas all around the map. That lack of knowing when and where the survivors are coming from makes it difficult to properly take them by surprise with it.

I like that idea, it gives the killer more of an incentive to get survivors on basement hooks and pressures the survivors to do something about it.

@Master said:

@Nightshade said:
Insidious: While Insidious is active, Survivors within 4/6/8 meters auras are revealed. This modest aura read aids in the purpose of getting the drop on Survivors should a killer choose to hide behind walls or around corners they suspect survivors will be. (EDIT): also for balancing purposes, Insidious cannot be activated within 24 meters of a hooked survivor.

Unrelenting: recuperate from missed attacks by 20/30/40% and gain 30/40/50% more Bloodpoints for actions in the Brutality category.

Surveillance: Survivors who fail skill checks outside your terror radius have their aura revealed for 3/4/5 seconds. This includes failure on generators, healing, snapping out of it, jigsaw boxes, etc.

Within 8 meters you see the survivor already, so that aura is completely irrelevant (and bad design if you ask me, the game needs less auras in general). And insidious only purpose is for camping at the hook btw

I initially had it at 3/6/9 meters but something about it seemed off; ranges can be played with though to find what is most balanced. I don't buy the notion that Insidious is nothing but a hook camping perk, it's merely used that way because a hooked survivor is the most effective bait. in a wide open field the 8 meters would be useless sure, but there are certain generator spawns and indoor areas that would be great ambush spots if the killer could only get a short peek behind walls on where survivors were headed. I believe it can be effective at catching survivors off guard if used cleverly, especially when combined with Trapper and Whispers.