I Feel Offerings Are Flawed

Delfador said:

@JammyJewels said:
They used to have more meaning or more effects on the match, but the drastic ones that added fog or a darker moonlight have been removed. Offerings are indeed quite useless in terms of affecting anything inside of the match, as no particular offering has killed nor saved me but what would they become if they were more involved in gameplay? Another issue of balance, that is what. And unfortunately they get enough hassle about that as it is.

Ebony mori changes everything tbh.

Ryuhi said:

@JammyJewels said:
Delfador said:

@JammyJewels said:

They used to have more meaning or more effects on the match, but the drastic ones that added fog or a darker moonlight have been removed. Offerings are indeed quite useless in terms of affecting anything inside of the match, as no particular offering has killed nor saved me but what would they become if they were more involved in gameplay? Another issue of balance, that is what. And unfortunately they get enough hassle about that as it is.

Ebony mori changes everything tbh.

But they’ve implemented additional means of getting a Mori, like Rancor. Who’s not to say even the Mori offerings will go? Perhaps all Offerings will go but then what would replace the Bloodpoint boosting offerings?

Bloodpoint offerings are just filler in the blood web. breaking them down simply, the majority of them are 50% bonus to one category for 3k BP cost, 75% for 4k, and 100% for 5k. The most you can get in a category ingame is 8k. This means that:

Common offering caps at 4k bonus points (net gain of only 1k)
Uncommon offering caps at 6.5k points (net gain of 2.5k)
Rare offering caps at 8k (net gain of 3k)

Now keep in mind this is based off of the MAXIMUM that can be earned in any of these categories, and you'll see how flawed the gains are with this system. On top of all of that, you can only use one at a time, so you will have to play X amount of games to even attempt to get your full return on investment.

Some of them like pudding/cake/streamers/etc are perfectly fine as it is, but all of the weaker ones do nothing but contribute to the grind.

Map offerings should feel strong, reason why is because that some maps are awful for both survivor and killer cough the game Coughs louder

I'm just saving all my survivor offerings for the day we might be able to exchange them for bp...hopefully

@MegaWaffle said:

@ModernFable said:
alivebydeadight said:

Map offerings should feel strong, reason why is because that some maps are awful for both survivor and killer cough the game Coughs louder

I’d argue there shouldn’t be map Offerings at all.

Considering the game has a way of taking you to the same map several games in a row I'd argue map offering are the only way to keep your sanity at times.

No my swf group I sometimes play with hates the map aswell, both ways, (Good survivor and killer mains) so I usually despise that map due to how common I find bloody legion or huntress when on that map

@ModernFable said:
Boss said:

I like to increase fog as Wraith, i can truly get some surprises, even though i b-line it.

The fog is an interesting mechanic, but it can be adjusted separately.

I prefer to give the fog Offerings actual meaning for me to use.

@ModernFable said:
Gamzello said:

So we are gonna complain about offerings too? God how many L’s are we all taking!?!?!?!

Yeah some of the offerings suck. But it’s better than nothing in my opinion.

How so?

In what way exactly do Offerings benefit the game?

For survivors and killers there's the bonus offerings to bp for categories say you've got a chase daily, well the boldness for survivors will help with that. Got a repair 3 total gens well objective offerings make that one great. If you've got heal/unhook ones well combine that with an Altruism offering and take wGLF and hit the BP jackpot.

If you're the killer and you get a sac daily well that sacrifice offering is sure nice, playing Trapper well use a Deviousness offering and wrack up that bonus bp.

Want the survivors to be separated well then use a shroud, want to be together use a shroud and start furthest away use a shroud. Want more chests, use that offering less chests use that one, more or less hooks well you get the picture.

@ModernFable said:
powerbats said:

@ModernFable said:

Gamzello said:

So we are gonna complain about offerings too? God how many L’s are we all taking!?!?!?!

Yeah some of the offerings suck. But it’s better than nothing in my opinion.

How so?

In what way exactly do Offerings benefit the game?

For survivors and killers there's the bonus offerings to bp for categories say you've got a chase daily, well the boldness for survivors will help with that. Got a repair 3 total gens well objective offerings make that one great. If you've got heal/unhook ones well combine that with an Altruism offering and take wGLF and hit the BP jackpot.

If you're the killer and you get a sac daily well that sacrifice offering is sure nice, playing Trapper well use a Deviousness offering and wrack up that bonus bp.

Want the survivors to be separated well then use a shroud, want to be together use a shroud and start furthest away use a shroud. Want more chests, use that offering less chests use that one, more or less hooks well you get the picture.

Okay, now tell me how most of that couldn’t be solved better, by simply increasing how much Blood Points everything gives and removing the BP Offerings.

And tell me why it’s better to give players situational control of those gameplay elements like chest spawns and hooks, instead of naturally changing those numbers to a point that’s ideal.

Well blood points do affect your game for better items, add ons, and perks. BPs are kinda revolved around both killers and survivors as equal. Survivors get a lot less bps than killer tbh; unless the match was extended for reasons.

Dead by daylight...is an asymmetrical game. It will never be truly 100% balanced. Another chest spawn or two doesn't hurt. Besides killers also have that offering where they can literally remove 2 from even spawning in. Offerings don't do much of a play but it's more like a "slight head start" kind of thing depending on both sides.

@ModernFable said:
Gamzello said:

@ModernFable said:

powerbats said:

@ModernFable said:

Gamzello said:

So we are gonna complain about offerings too? God how many L’s are we all taking!?!?!?! Yeah some of the offerings suck. But it’s better than nothing in my opinion. How so?

In what way exactly do Offerings benefit the game?



For survivors and killers there's the bonus offerings to bp for categories say you've got a chase daily, well the boldness for survivors will help with that. Got a repair 3 total gens well objective offerings make that one great. If you've got heal/unhook ones well combine that with an Altruism offering and take wGLF and hit the BP jackpot.

If you're the killer and you get a sac daily well that sacrifice offering is sure nice, playing Trapper well use a Deviousness offering and wrack up that bonus bp.

Want the survivors to be separated well then use a shroud, want to be together use a shroud and start furthest away use a shroud. Want more chests, use that offering less chests use that one, more or less hooks well you get the picture.



Okay, now tell me how most of that couldn’t be solved better, by simply increasing how much Blood Points everything gives and removing the BP Offerings.

And tell me why it’s better to give players situational control of those gameplay elements like chest spawns and hooks, instead of naturally changing those numbers to a point that’s ideal.

Well blood points do affect your game for better items, add ons, and perks. BPs are kinda revolved around both killers and survivors as equal. Survivors get a lot less bps than killer tbh; unless the match was extended for reasons.

Dead by daylight...is an asymmetrical game. It will never be truly 100% balanced. Another chest spawn or two doesn't hurt. Besides killers also have that offering where they can literally remove 2 from even spawning in. Offerings don't do much of a play but it's more like a "slight head start" kind of thing depending on both sides.

Yes but that’s my point.

Blood Points are important and affect a lot of a player's long term experience. Yet the rate that you gain Blood Points is heavily swayed by these Offerings that you may or may not have.

So why not remove them, and adjust the Blood Points everyone gains normally?

Some Offerings are relatively weak and some are wildly powerful, but they’re situational.

Why should one game have there be three less hooks and incredibly dense fog.
  
While another game gives the Killer the ability to remove a Survivor after just one hook.

I don’t see how this is possibly more fun or balanced in any regard, it’s more random if anything.

You say it’s asymmetrical and it’ll never be truly balanced. Yes that’s abundantly clear.

However, that doesn’t justify unnecessary features that serve little purpose other than to add another layer of randomness to the game.

It's completely optional though (offerings for extra hooks, chests, etc). I only started playing this game in August so I'm not sure if offerings even existed back then.I only like the fog offerings but that's it. It's easier to hide lmao.

I guess it's just a bit more extra into game play? Idk it depends on how the players play the game. It is pretty random but I think the only useful offers have to be the extra BP offerings.

Devs removing offerings...to add up all of the BPs in total...OOF...that ain't gonna happen chief I'm starting to realize what kind of devs these are.

I do agree with you about offerings being situational. Nobody really thinks about "oh hey my one hook got removed out of my other 8 hooks." or "oh man 2 chests were removed!". It doesn't affect BPs or game play as much.

Gorgonia said:

If you remove offerings and you increase the bps rewarded within the game you would progress way too fast throughout the bloodweb. I don’t know if that’s what is expected or intended.

There are 3 scenarios:
1) current bp rewards + offerings
2) current bp rewards + no offerings = the bloodweb would require half the bps to level
3) improved bp rewards + no offerings = give or take, 150% to 200% faster progression depending on how much they improved the bp rewards.

Removing offerings would only fill the open bloodweb spots with addons or items, the net wouldnt suddenly get smaller because the pool of possible filler material shrank down.

I think grind for addons and items are okay. Please don't forget, at one hand killers have insta chainsaws, 3rd blinks, omegablinks, inta hatchets, at the other hand survivors have insta heals and worse purple and skeleton keys that ends the game instantly.

The only problem is perks and I believe they should let us get 2 or 3 perks (preferably 3) per bloodweb. The game is not meant to be played with ultra and very rare addons all the time.

@slingshotsurvivor said:

For killers not really much of an upside when looking specifically at mori's except for the previously mentioned points.

Yes, I must include the perverbial disclaimer: Survivor main 🤣😁😜

Edit: spacing and words

Unless killers could grab add-ons from lockers and equip them in game \o/