This happens when your creator team is drunk=>Surveillance

ShyN3ko
ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616
edited December 2018 in General Discussions


Surveillance:
Unlocks potential in one's Aura-reading ability.

The last 1 regressing Generators/2 regressing Generators/3 regressing Generators Aura(s) are indicated in white to you for 16 seconds.

"Are you gonna behave?" — Amanda Young

Unique to The Pig until Level 35, at which point its Teachable version can then be learned and taught to the other Killers.

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  • Skorpanio
    Skorpanio Member Posts: 605

    Side effects

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @JanTheMan said:
    How are you suppose to get 3 gens regressed within 16 seconds anyways?

    Yes, with nurse and all perks for faster hitting generators.
    Or with Wraith and his "leg" addons.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @Skorpanio said:
    Side effects

    Yeah, maybe.
    Im not drunk enough.

  • RSB
    RSB Member Posts: 2,258

    High risk/high reward, I would say.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @RSB said:
    High risk/high reward, I would say.

    I would say it, too.
    But im not drunk enough.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @ThGameIsHardButSoAmI said:
    change my mind: discordance is the surveillance rework everyone wanted.

    Ok i will change your mind.
    I just need more alcohol.
    I think Qrow is still more drunk than me.

    "Are you gonna behave?" — Amanda Young

  • RSB
    RSB Member Posts: 2,258
    edited December 2018

    @popoles said:
    RSB said:

    High risk/high reward, I would say.

    Or high risk/no reward

    Or risk reward/no high

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @Tsulan said:
    I'm still convinced that they planned to set it to 160 seconds, but a typo turned it into 16 and nobody noticed. 

    woooow.
    WOOOOOOOOOW.
    Are you rly think, they would do.....
    ..................
    This make sense.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @Theluckyboi said:
    Just remove the timer and the perk should be perfectly usable

    If you get a notification, too.

  • RSB
    RSB Member Posts: 2,258

    @Tsulan said:
    I'm still convinced that they planned to set it to 160 seconds, but a typo turned it into 16 and nobody noticed. 

    Not less than Spies from the Shadows at least.

  • Tzeentchling9
    Tzeentchling9 Member Posts: 1,796
    ShyN3ko said:

    @ThGameIsHardButSoAmI said:
    change my mind: discordance is the surveillance rework everyone wanted.

    Ok i will change your mind.
    I just need more alcohol.
    I think Qrow is still more drunk than me.

    "Are you gonna behave?" — Amanda Young

    Qrow will always be more drunk than anyone.
  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @Tzeentchling9 said:
    ShyN3ko said:

    @ThGameIsHardButSoAmI said:

    change my mind: discordance is the surveillance rework everyone wanted.

    Ok i will change your mind.

    I just need more alcohol.

    I think Qrow is still more drunk than me.

    "Are you gonna behave?" — Amanda Young

    Qrow will always be more drunk than anyone.

    He is rly lucky

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,093
    RSB said:

    @Tsulan said:
    I'm still convinced that they planned to set it to 160 seconds, but a typo turned it into 16 and nobody noticed. 

    Not less than Spies from the Shadows at least.

    I liked spies. Now it's useless. 
  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,093
    ShyN3ko said:

    @Tsulan said:
    I'm still convinced that they planned to set it to 160 seconds, but a typo turned it into 16 and nobody noticed. 

    woooow.
    WOOOOOOOOOW.
    Are you rly think, they would do.....
    ..................
    This make sense.

    At least it wouldn't surprise me. 
  • alivebydeadight
    alivebydeadight Member Posts: 1,559
    edited December 2018

    when you love a perk idea haha lol lets make the perk worse as its rank increases

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    Just BHVR things...

  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    I think that even if they buff it, people still wouldn't use the perk. Devs are taking a wrong path when it comes to perks.

    They think that a perk is good when a perk is okay or not very usable which shouldn't be the case.

    There are somewhat decent perks but I don't think that they can replace perks like adrenaline, ds, sc, borrowed time etc. Same goes for the killer perks like BBQ, NOED, enduring etc.

    When they are creating perks they should ask themselves whether the players would want to change their perk setup or not. If the answer is no they should keep improving it.

    Think about deja vu. Even if that perk showed every single generator's aura during the whole match, survivors still wouldn't use it. For the perk itself, it feels really strong and OP but when you compare it with adrenaline, you understand that even in that state, people still wouldn't touch it.

    So you are left with useless junk that can only be used when you are drunk.

  • Avariku
    Avariku Member Posts: 608
    I like SFTS. I run it on pig and it proves to be useful in almost every match. Silly survivors and completely ignoring crows.  xD
  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    @Avariku said:
    I like SFTS. I run it on pig and it proves to be useful in almost every match. Silly survivors and completely ignoring crows.  xD

    Spies from the shadows is actually a decent perk for killers that have instadown abilities or huntress.

    Survivors think that they are hidden and safe, so you catch them in an open area nowhere to go. I used to use it on my huntress and got a lot of easy downs thanks to that perk.

    It shouldn't be RNG though. 100% wouldn't hurt at all.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,965

    This is what Surveillance should do.

    Surveillance:
    Unlocks potential in one's Aura-reading ability. The last regressing Generator reveals the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters. Once the exit gates are powered, all Generators reveal the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters.

  • SnakeSound222
    SnakeSound222 Member Posts: 4,467
    edited December 2018
    The devs had two good ideas for this perk but they used them for Wraith’s All-Seeing Spirit add-on and Legion’s Discordance perk. Do they want Surveillance to be a trash perk?

    Tsulan said:
    I'm still convinced that they planned to set it to 160 seconds, but a typo turned it into 16 and nobody noticed. 
    That wouldn’t surprise me at all. 
  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @Dreamnomad said:
    This is what Surveillance should do.

    Surveillance:
    Unlocks potential in one's Aura-reading ability. The last regressing Generator reveals the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters. Once the exit gates are powered, all Generators reveal the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters.

    This is a good idear.
    I liked it, but i wouldnt use it.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,242

    This is what Surveillance should do.

    Surveillance:
    Unlocks potential in one's Aura-reading ability. The last regressing Generator reveals the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters. Once the exit gates are powered, all Generators reveal the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters.

    Amazing! :)
  • GodDamn_Angela
    GodDamn_Angela Member Posts: 2,213

    @Theluckyboi said:
    Just remove the timer and the perk should be perfectly usable

    If they are no longer white once they stop regressing. Otherwise you would just have white and red generator auras for, literally, no reason.

    @RSB said:
    High risk/high reward, I would say.

    Where's the reward though?

  • RSB
    RSB Member Posts: 2,258

    @RSB said:
    High risk/high reward, I would say.

    Where's the reward though?

    In the /s

  • Rebel_Raven
    Rebel_Raven Member Posts: 1,775
    I don't entirely understand why people think discordance is any better.

    Gen turns yellow, survivors bolt before you get there, and the gen stays yellow for a dozen seconds implying they're still there.

    If they're coordinated, a gen across the map will light up when you are there.
  • GodDamn_Angela
    GodDamn_Angela Member Posts: 2,213

    @RSB said:

    @RSB said:
    High risk/high reward, I would say.

    Where's the reward though?

    In the /s

    Ah. Yes.

    I see it now.

  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,965

    @ShyN3ko said:

    @Dreamnomad said:
    This is what Surveillance should do.

    Surveillance:
    Unlocks potential in one's Aura-reading ability. The last regressing Generator reveals the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters. Once the exit gates are powered, all Generators reveal the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters.

    This is a good idear.
    I liked it, but i wouldnt use it.

    It wouldn't be for everyone, but it would at least be worth running.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @Rebel_Raven said:
    I don't entirely understand why people think discordance is any better.

    Gen turns yellow, survivors bolt before you get there, and the gen stays yellow for a dozen seconds implying they're still there.

    If they're coordinated, a gen across the map will light up when you are there.

    I only use nurse calling.
    Hit a guy with the pig dash.
    And then surprise him with a second dash.
    I dont like the other aura perks.

  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @Dreamnomad said:

    @ShyN3ko said:

    @Dreamnomad said:
    This is what Surveillance should do.

    Surveillance:
    Unlocks potential in one's Aura-reading ability. The last regressing Generator reveals the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters. Once the exit gates are powered, all Generators reveal the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters.

    This is a good idear.
    I liked it, but i wouldnt use it.

    It wouldn't be for everyone, but it would at least be worth running.

    Yeah thats true

  • Nikkiwhat
    Nikkiwhat Member Posts: 1,378
    The true potential in Surveillance is pairing it with Fire Up....
    Dun...dun...dunnnbnb
  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @Nikkiwhat said:
    The true potential in Surveillance is pairing it with Fire Up....
    Dun...dun...dunnnbnb

    NOED and Bloodwarden, too?

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,874

    This is what Surveillance should do.

    Surveillance:
    Unlocks potential in one's Aura-reading ability. The last regressing Generator reveals the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters. Once the exit gates are powered, all Generators reveal the auras of survivors within 6/10/14 meters.

    Yeah, this was the idea that I saw before that I liked.
  • AlwaysInAGoodShape
    AlwaysInAGoodShape Member Posts: 1,615
    edited December 2018

    Surveillance:

    After a survivor touches a regressing generator, they gain the exposed effect for 10/15/20 seconds.

    Are you gonna behave? - Amanda



    There is no point in creating a highly conditional survivor find perk. Not only is finding survivors not that valuable, but to make it highly conditional? That's not kind.

    Anti-Stealth perks is the last thing we need anyway.

    So to give this perk some actual purpose, the above makes it harder for survivors to bully killers who have to keep kicking the generator that survivors keep tapping. (:

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,874

    Surveillance:

    After a survivor touches a regressing generator, they gain the exposed effect for 10/15/20 seconds.

    Are you gonna behave? - Amanda



    There is no point in creating a highly conditional survivor find perk. Not only is finding survivors not that valuable, but to make it highly conditional? That's not kind.

    Anti-Stealth perks is the last thing we need anyway.

    So to give this perk some actual purpose, the above makes it harder for survivors to bully killers who have to keep kicking the generator that survivors keep tapping. (:

    Seems a bit weird to give Pig two default perks that give Exposed.
  • Dreamnomad
    Dreamnomad Member Posts: 3,965

    @AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
    Surveillance:

    After a survivor touches a regressing generator, they gain the exposed effect for 10/15/20 seconds.

    Are you gonna behave? - Amanda



    There is no point in creating a highly conditional survivor find perk. Not only is finding survivors not that valuable, but to make it highly conditional? That's not kind.

    Anti-Stealth perks is the last thing we need anyway.

    So to give this perk some actual purpose, the above makes it harder for survivors to bully killers who have to keep kicking the generator that survivors keep tapping. (:

    The perk is called Surveillance. Here is a little help as to what the word means since you seem confused.

    sur·veil·lance
    /sərˈvāləns/
    noun
    close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

    By it's very definition it is supposed to help the killer find survivors! What you suggested isn't a terrible idea for a perk. It would pair quite well with a buffed version of surveillance. But again, way off on the direction that a perk called surveillance should be.

  • Condorloco_26
    Condorloco_26 Member Posts: 1,714

    @Theluckyboi said:
    Just remove the timer and the perk should be perfectly usable

    Just remove the perk and everything else should be perfectly usable.

  • Larcz
    Larcz Member Posts: 531

    And about this perk final conclusion is on 26:48
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDwVWN2MzA8

  • Condorloco_26
    Condorloco_26 Member Posts: 1,714

    @Dreamnomad said:

    By it's very definition it is supposed to help the killer find survivors! What you suggested isn't a terrible idea for a perk. It would pair quite well with a buffed version of surveillance. But again, way off on the direction that a perk called surveillance should be.

    Tinkerer called and said "Hi buddy"

  • AlwaysInAGoodShape
    AlwaysInAGoodShape Member Posts: 1,615
    edited December 2018

    The perk is called Surveillance. Here is a little help as to what the word means since you seem confused.

    sur·veil·lance
    /sərˈvāləns/
    noun
    close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

    By it's very definition it is supposed to help the killer find survivors! What you suggested isn't a terrible idea for a perk. It would pair quite well with a buffed version of surveillance. But again, way off on the direction that a perk called surveillance should be.

    Now think again. How do you get use of this perk? It's through surveilling a generator. You, the actual you, in order to strike a survivor who dares to touch it.

    My suggestion is all about surveillance. The picture fits it even more perfectly since you're actually surveilling it rather then having any type of notification or aura reading while you are all the way in the desert;

    close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

    Where-as the old surveillance is just aura reading and has nothing to do with surveilling, my suggestion does the opposite and makes it about actual surveilling and makes it an even more suitable perk for the type of killers to whom it would be appropriate to use:
    The pig
    The Wraith

  • Condorloco_26
    Condorloco_26 Member Posts: 1,714
    edited December 2018

    @Larcz said:
    And about this perk final conclusion is on 26:48
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDwVWN2MzA8

    Let's watch a a 30+ minute video about Surveillance. 1430 people as of today. I don't know what to say about that.

    Edit: or the same guy 1429 times + me, just to see how many views it had.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,874
    AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
    Now think again. How do you get use of this perk? It's through surveilling a generator. You, the actual you, in order to strike a survivor who dares to touch it.

    My suggestion is all about surveillance. The picture fits it even more perfectly since you're actually surveilling it rather then having any type of notification or aura reading while you are all the way in the desert;

    close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

    Where-as the old surveillance is just aura reading and has nothing to do with surveilling, my suggestion does the opposite and makes it about actual surveilling and makes it an even more suitable perk for the type of killers to whom it would be appropriate to use:
    The pig
    The Wraith

    I'd say your suggestion is more booby trapping Generators than surveilling them.
  • ShyN3ko
    ShyN3ko Member Posts: 1,616

    @TAG said:
    AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
    Now think again. How do you get use of this perk? It's through surveilling a generator. You, the actual you, in order to strike a survivor who dares to touch it.

    My suggestion is all about surveillance. The picture fits it even more perfectly since you're actually surveilling it rather then having any type of notification or aura reading while you are all the way in the desert;

    close observation, especially of a suspected spy or criminal.

    Where-as the old surveillance is just aura reading and has nothing to do with surveilling, my suggestion does the opposite and makes it about actual surveilling and makes it an even more suitable perk for the type of killers to whom it would be appropriate to use:

    The pig

    The Wraith

    I'd say your suggestion is more booby trapping Generators than surveilling them.

    Saw has many traps.
    So why not?
    I like traps.
    And boobys.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,874
    ShyN3ko said:
    Saw has many traps.

    So why not?
    I like traps.
    And boobys.

    Certainly true, but that idea still doesn't really match the name "Surveillance" in my eyes.