Why no serious penalties for holding the cube hostage?
Hold the cube and you can easily break chains with walls or whatever is around you and everyone else can go about their business doing stuff w/o worry. Why arent there more harsher penalties for a survivor that holds the cube hostage?
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DIdn't even know you could, i thought they changed something so you couldn't do it anymore.
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I would want the chain hunt not to end until it's solved but can also see how that can be used by trolls.
There needs to be an exponential penalty to holding onto the cube.
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TBF you do get punished pretty hard. You are oblivious to the killer (not the biggest deal), but you also have constant chains harassing you that are loud and do help in chase a lot, as well as interrupting you if you do happen to try to solve the box or do gens, meaning the team is now a 1v3. You can catch the box holder pretty easily, and then take it for yourself. The punishment means you have much more of a problem in chase, cant do gens, and you are risking your team by not solving it. It is your fault for letting them hold it hostage. Take advantage of the situation
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Having a few match vs Pinhead, I feel the box is in a good spot. Definitely not a hard punish, but it comes with manything.
- Chainhunt is like Dreamworld, the clock keeps counting up. Unlike Dreamworld that survivors can ignore and easy to disable. Chainhunt force at least 1 survivors to focus on the box. Make the game 1v3 just with his basekit.
- If a survivor tries to box hostage, a fail awareness can lead him into Pinhead. Being chased while Chainhunt clock counting, a down come with chainhunt on other survivors is inevitable
- The box existence is unique, spawn as far as possible from all survivors. When a survivor is in chase, he should not run near the box or Pinhead will take the box. And the best place to chase is being as far as possible from other survivors who doing Gen. Because of the box, it survivor will likely to run into his teammates on Gen.
If you look at a single aspect, his power is weak. But look at a whole, he's not that bad.
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"And the best place to chase is being as far as possible from other survivors who doing Gen. Because of the box, it survivor will likely to run into his teammates on Gen."
My random teammates who have been opening the box literally feet away from me on said gen... 👁👄👁
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Make the box holder incapacitated, but make solving the box unaffected by incapacitated
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so basically they get stuck in place until they finish it? i don't know, seems kinda...harsh
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I made a thread a while ago about this idea. Make it so if you hold the box for X amount of time, instead of oblivious, you get exposed.
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The status effect that doesn't let you do gens, heal, do bones or escape the trial, the chains already give incapacitated but on a smaller time frame
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oh, yeah i think that would be fair, then you can't do ignore chain hunt and still do the objective till it activates
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It sounds like a good idea, but really not. Because they have the choice to keep the box hostage. You have more chance to catch them of guard doing Gen/totem..
If they cant do Gen, they simply sovle the box all the time. Resulting you chase them without having Oblivion and downing them doesnt let you have the box.
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The benefit is having one less survivor to worry about because they can't do anything until they either complete it, or are found by Pinhead, which the latter instantly starts Chainhunt. It's like kidnapping Victor but with more positives!
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You can run Franklin's and get a free chain hunt off of their misplay.
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The problem is: the same thing applied to Viktor when he was on the PTB, and people still chose to kidnap him instead of crushing him, as Charlotte wasn't able to call him back before. A single survivor not being oblivious and unable to do gens is not that big of a deal in exchange for taking away one of the killer's abilities. Okay, at least the Cenobite doesn't lose ALL his power like the Twins did, but he loses an important part of it.
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If I see you holding the box I’m going straight for you so I can get it and start a mass chain hunt and the random spawning chains will just make you that much easier to find. You’re better off just going a long distance from Pinhead and using it right before chain hunts start
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Holding the cube hostage? What does that even mean? "Survivors should be punished for fair counterplay against a killer's power?"
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You want to know something else. The chains inflict incapitated which prevents survivors from leaving the exit gate, but they lose that status immediately when knocked to dying state making it useless to actually down people at the exit gate similar to how victor was on the ptb.
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Because survivors need mindlessly easy counters to each and every killer, according to the devs.
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Yeah i would agree except yeah, he still keeps his m2, which is much much stronger during chain, which keeps going on for the box holder. Trying to escape pinhead holding onto the box is nearly impossible if he can land his chains. At high ranks, the best thing to do against him is find the box fast before chain hunt begins, and solve it fast to not give him tike to interrupt it. I guess holding the box hostage could be good at low ranks or against a pinhead that doesn't know how to play, but it really punishes you and holding onto it guarantees the pinhead starting his chain hunt
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What they should do is that picking it up stops it for other people for 10 seconds, and removes it from the hands of the people after 20 seconds.
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