I feel like the lament configuration should be immune to perks
From the way they designed it you’re supposed to go after the survivor with box and if you can down him you’re rewarded with massive map pressure or if you can’t do that at least you get a assured chase. I feel like Franklins and Hoarder makes getting the box too easy and takes away that hard fought reward and also make it too difficult for survivors to stop the chain hunt. I say this as a new pinhead main
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Why are you ever picking up the box if it's not to just immediately activate it? Cenobite can't see where the box is unless they run Chatterer's Tooth, which deactivates chain hunts.
Cenobite counter = Play normally, when chain hunt is about to activate naturally, pick up box, activate it to cancel chain hunt. Killer may teleport to you, run killer as normal.
Usually it's best if the survivor best fitted to perform a chase at the time activates the box, but that is sometimes hard to rely on as a solo. Play it safe, and sometimes take one of the team. A lot of times, especially since Cenobites voice lines were taken away, they ignore survivors opening the box - because of that fact, it's normally a survivor who can perform the chase is opening the box, so why would they drop the chase from a survivor they may already have a better chance of downing.
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But the survivors can always see the aura, Pinhead has to find it on his own like you would with the hatch.
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Without chain hunt this killer has zero map pressure. Survivors can also take the box to a position that is advantageous to them. His passive is the one good thing he has going for him and it's in the survivor's control.
It is very lucky if Pinhead finds the box himself. Lately I've been equipping range add ons and trying to interrupt the person solving the box. The chain hunt is my top priority when there are still gens to be fixed.
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All killers have perks that work with their powers and if I recall the devs seemed somewhat surprised and intrigued that two non meta, very niche perks were used for pinhead.
Some examples
Spirit | stridor, sloppy, bloodhound
Legion and plauge | thana and hystria <currently bugged but used to work with killer instinct frenzy>
Ghostface | Dark Devotion trail of torment etc.
However, I also think that these perks are rather healthier than running the 4 slowdowns meta.
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It’s nice that hoarder might actually get used now.
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It gives 2 niche perks some really good value and usage, just keep them in. Other Killers have perks that make their powers much more powerful. How many Killers can capitalize on MYC the way Hag can? Spirit with Stridor? Leave it in, its not that oppressive if you know how to play against Pinhead.
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Why? Those perks kinda save him, and even then, he can't do anything if you open the box while he's hooking a survivor.
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Hoarder is straight up nasty on pinhead, unlimited chain hunt. the survivors cant do anything when chain hunt is just repeated over and over again against hoarder. that about it I don't mind it working with franklins.
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I hope once this combo catches on they don't nerf it. Killer's can't have anything nice. I literally unlocked twins because I like playing as Pinhead. If they nerf it I will be upset. Though I didn't pay them real money for the twins. I used shards. They aren't worth dollars.
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No they cannot. If it’s fun or useful it gets poo’d on.
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Viablw reason to run Franklin's for survivors who do not understand counter play? Better nerf it!
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Geez Pinhead is weak enough, they seriously don't need to nerf him further. Hoarder is one of the ways to make Pinhead at least a bit usable.
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Seriously was anyone using hoarder before pinhead? This is shaking things up. Would people rather go back to facing spirit, nurse, blight with ruin+undying+tinkerer?
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People really hate when killers have synergy with otherwise unused perks and then complain when killers all use the same handful of perks. It's weird.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this getting the box is already the world's toughest job 9/10 the box spawns on one end of the map while your on the other not to mention his power gets cancelled if the survivors just simply pick the box up , he needs these perks just to have THE CHANCE to activate his power , I played pinhead and I surprisingly stumbled across the box while it was buried in a patch of tall grass of course the survivor would have no issues finding that ridiculous location. If anything I'd say these perks are fair game and if they nerf these perks to not affect the box ( which is an item ) then i think he should be able to see the box within a certain distance. Because right now it's unfair in the survivors favor if you don't have these perks.
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Ace In The Hole + Rubik's Cube = OP
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LOL this dude seriously asking for a franklin's and hoarder nerf? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Yes, this literal trash tier perk, so bad that it actually helps the survivors more than the killer, should be nerfed because it (surprisingly) has synergy with ONE specific killer? Good grief man, this joke of a killer hasn't even been out more than a week and you are already asking for specific perk nerfs because they work well with him?
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That's what I'm saying it's like they want to keep going against the same killers with the same perk combo let him have this so that we can have some variety lol
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I... think I don't understand your answer. I literally said that:
- Pinhead is weak and they don't need to nerf him or Lament Configuration
- Hoarder is strong with Pinhead and it's great
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this post is such ignorance .... lol. ive tped across the map too the box a few times survivor and no box to be seen pinhead is weak as anything in his current state. "from a pinhead main" not saying you arent but if you are a main then why the f would you want something taking away that gives you some help or an advantage when killer is a strugglefest at times as it is. i dont even have hoarder the box disappears anyway if they get interrupted after teleporting too them so what does franklins have to do with anything?
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i know what a joke claiming to be a pinhead main the ######### lol makes no sense whatsoever
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Oh god I hope they don't change that. Hoarder is pretty much useless on every other killer, and I honestly fail to see how those perks are op on Pinhead. If you aren't stacking the two addons that slow the box solving down, you won't always get to survivors in time anyways. And even then it can still be close if the survivor detected by Hoarder was at the edge of the perk's range.
Franklin's is good, but once you get into a chase with the survivor holding the box, you might as well down them anyways. Which already then gives you the box. Franklin's has the upside that it's much easier and faster to get the box, but you also have to break chase to activate it.
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I have not played this combo myself (I am prestiging Pinhead currently and I dont have the Perks), but currently I would not say that it is too strong. The Killer is dedicating half of their Perk Slots for that, there have always been Killers which benefit from certain Perks more than others.
And personally, those are two Perk Slots less used for Slowdown and I am always for Killers using different Perks than Slowdown-Perks.
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I don’t know I guess I play too causally. It just seems to me like the box is met to be taken from the survivors on occasion when you get lucky. I’ve seen games where it’s just impossible for them to stop the hunt with these two perks and felt bad for them. My perception is that these perks working with the lament configuration broke the killers intended design. But if what you guys are saying is true then I’ll use these perks guilt free lol
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In my experience the only map this killer struggles on is the really big map with the building in the middle because survivors can get a huge distance.
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Sure, let's nerf the Franklins + Hoarder combo on Pinhead so his players can use two more slowdown perks.
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Why on Earth would you ever put Franklin's on the Chainslinger? Pinhead needs the survivor to be holding the box when going down.
Hoarder, on the other hand, has great potential to be outright oppressive.
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I've seen gameplay of Pinhead with Hoarder and I'm honestly not sure if it's OP or not yet. Survivors may find reliable counterplay to it.
Right now, I'm just happy to see another forgotten perk get at least SOME use.
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To be fair, the size of all the large maps are an issue.
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I personally find hoarders to be fair on him. You still don't get to know the box location, and you don't get to see where the survivors go with it. It at most gives you a couple seconds to try and stop them. Franklins could be a little much, but I am glad hoarders gets good use finally.
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I understood your answer I just phrased mine poorly. I should have put another space in my response. After I said "Did anyone use hoarder before pinhead?" I should have made a separate paragraph. Everything after that was meant to be addressed to the community.
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