Make survivors no see the Lament Configuration Unless they are in 24m aways from the Lament...

What's the current range now? Would 24m be too short? I'm all for reducing the range but I feel we should be careful on making the range too short. This is one of those killers whose power function is good but numbers are way off so I feel fine tuning is what we need to do on some values.

If it's already something like 40m or something then yeah I'm all for 24m I would just like to see the old and suggested values compared admittedly.

Reduce the range survivors can see the box or shorten the default Chain Hunt timer.

Also let Pinhead see the box within 16 meters, it is impossible for him to find the box when improbable would be much more balanced

I'm just going to say a survivor running from the corner of the map to another benefits the killer. Not seeing the aura would make survivors stay more on gens and, even when Chain Hunt activates, chances are you'd have lost a couple of gens. It's kind of like when people suggest that Jigsaw Boxes from Pig shouldn't be visible until the trap is active, they don't realize they're shooting themselves on the foot.

If you want survivors to focus on gens more, then sure.

This.

What i think would work better is that the killer can always see the aura of the box (even when a survivor is holding it, maybe even just show their aura as more of a downside) But take away the ability to pick it up before a survivor touches it. This way, you know where it is, but can't mess with it until a survivor does.

You are crazy. If you can manage to stop the survivors 3 times or so from solving the box thats 3 hooks and 3 chainhunts activated its a win. The pressure chainhunts put on the group is massive slow down especially if you chain them .

• Survivors who take the box and stay with it all game will be constantly effected by chain hunt- making them easier to track thanks to the constant attacks, easier to down due to Chain Hunt, will do all objectives extremely slowly (If they can even do some of them, totems are out of the question), and will need to remain vigilant in order to not get caught off guard by Pinhead.
• Sure, the chains aren't the hardest thing in the world to juke, but you can't juke chains when you're holding M1 on a gen, and the chains do have the potential to mess you up when you're running a tight loop in chase, and give Pinhead hits. Downing Survivor with the box=you get the box and the full effects of it.
• Imho Pinhead is in a decent spot at this point and needs more time to get used to before too many huge balance changes are made. HIs power has quite a few components to it, so...

Unless Pinhead takes an iri addon, survivors don't need to hold it all game. They can solve it and be gone before Pinhead teleports there. The box is only worth a crap when used with the iri addon that extends the time it takes to solve it. That is not the sign of a killer who is "in a decent spot". In a chase, the chain hunt is almost worthless. Moving slightly side to side as you run completely avoids any and all chains.

I think letting Pinhead know where the box is(why wouldn't he know where his own box is?) would help mitigate some of these issues. The box is only one of his problems, however. His power is still too risk heavy for the almost non-existent reward it gives.

The problem is, the people defending Pinhead's powers/abilities are clearly only doing it based on how it reads on paper. On paper, it reads really well. In actual practice? They hardly work at all.

I have it happen regularly. I had 3 games in a row last night with 3 gens remaining.

Thats not really true. Either you have not played him yet or you dont understand how to use him yet. I had a very good squad last night it was a 2K but it was close down to the wire. They told me in end game chat that the way i played him should be nerfed because it is too oppressive. Learning to attack the surv with the box and learning the spawning locations is key. You can slow the game down to a crawl.

I’ve been in chaotic games where all four of us took turns trying to stay on top of the box, and it didn’t always work out In our favor. You have someone in chase, someone slugged, a gen 80% done but regressing because of ruin, everyone’s injured with sloppy, someone is too far to know where the box is (azarov’s resting place/suffocation pit the worst). etc. etc. There’s different scenarios but the killer created that chaotic environment. It’s probably SWF (like everything else in this game) using comms to be efficient. Solo que is no guaranteed cake walk vs. Pinhead.

I wish those who say he comes up short in certain areas could literally sit down next to the Pinheads I go against, cause a lot of them know what they’re doing and play just fine.

The only way this is possible really is by running an add on to slow the progress of solving down, and even so you almost need to run both slowdowns for this to be effective. Pin head is fun but to any group actively looking for a group makes teleporting to box useless and you never see chain hunt. the scariest thing about Pin Head is countered by simply doing the box ASAP before the hunt even begins. Or better yet a Juggernaut grabs the box and never solves it and keeps away from gens and allows the 3v1 which is still heavily in the Survivors favor as his main power is a hit or miss and often times takes a lot to get down.

I know he is a high skill killer, and I get my 4ks despite survivor protest to me not playing by their rules. I can hook things well enough and if played right it is a for sure down. but it has to get to that point and playing pin head often is like playing with one hand behind your back.

Not to mention as of making this post, one of his perks is useless and the other has a perk associated with it that is also useless.

What I am talking about is Hex: Plaything, and deadlock being greatly benefited and synergized with Hex: Ruin, as of the last three days of playing, every game I have had 1 if not both of my totems removed with in the first 2 minutes. The spawns on the totems are suppose to be random and I get that, but recently they have all been in the open easy to find and not at all hidden. The one time today I had it damn well hidden someone brought a map (which good on them). Point I am making is it seems like 80% - 85% of my games that totems are not at all hidden even the slightest bit and I don't know why. Has anyone else been noticing this?