Perks like make your choice and star struck encourage proxy camping

Whispers triggers on the hooked survivor though

Killers will always hear whispers around the hook when there is a survivor hanging on it

One literally forces you away from the hook and then to target a new survivor. The other wards survivors away so they don't rush in for flashlight saves.

Well I really hate campers, they ar taking fun out of the game. Further i like it if it is equal chances on both sides.

Therefore i´m quite new to the game, what is it if killers are just standing around? bot´s or afk players? That´s

quite anoying too. right now, I had some very nice games but some really boring too, therefore I´m not sure how

long i will stick to the game, especially because it isn´t easy to find a group (ingame).

its a 1v4 pvp game. Making sure everyone has fun is not really realistic here. Either the 4 are having fun, or the 1 is. On rare occasions 3 of the 4 will have fun and the 1 will laugh at the last of the survivors who sprint bursted into a wall

Staying on the map while there is a survivor is proxy camping according to article 14 rule 563 and using killer perk effectively is prohibited according to article 56 rule 4389.

If MYC applied some sort of debuff to the unhooked Survivor i'd most certainly agree with you.

But it doesn't, it encourages the Killer to switch targets.

The Killer at base already has a good reason to (proxy)-camp, because there's a Survivor on that Hook who will still be down 1 Health State after unhooking, and who has advanced a Hook stage, making them a more enticing target since they'll be closer to death which will lead to the game slowing down.

In that sense, equipping MYC is actually less "bad behavior".

Even if the Killer is camping, if they do it because they want the MYC trigger, then the unhooked one won't be the Killer's target unless they run right into the Killer.

If you still think it's bad behavior because they proxy-camped to get the unhooker with MYC then i don't know what to tell you, we just have very different views on bad behavior then.

Can't comment on Starstruck though, don't use it enough nor care about it enough.

Do explain how make your choice encourages it. When you have to go away from the hook for it to even activate. Starstruck absolutely doesn't either because they are insta down when you lift a survivor and then for a 4 seconds afterwards. You get notified when starstruck activates so why would you go straight for hook anyway.

In another map these days

Whats wrong with proxy camping?

Lol your entire argument is based on "earning" the kills. Like I said. Arbitrary rule. Win, win by a lot, win by a little. Winnings winning.

"Tunneling isn't smart its toxic." Ask every single good killer main you know the single best way overall to win. Tunnel out the weak. EVERY single good killer with macro game sense will realize by their first couple chases who their main target will be, who they shouldn't chase, and who is in the middle. You may not like it, but its true. Deal with it sadly mate. Thats how the game is. If you KNOW someone doesnt have DS, and they were unhooked close to you and the chase is free, you take it. Thats a massive mistake by the survivors that can cost them the game.

"Makes you look weak, like you're afraid to chase someone else." Um...yeah? You don't chase good survivors when bad ones are right there. If you think choosing to chase the survivor that is a weak looper and thus getting you a down in 20 seconds, makes you "look weak" as opposed to chasing the 5k hour survivor with stretched res and great looping ability, and getting a down in 3 minutes, then you're BAD at the game, not a strong killer. You may inflate your sense of self honor, great, good job, you lost the game but you lost with your honor intact rofl. If you aren't playing Nurse or Spirit, even mid tier survivors with decent map knowledge can run every killer in the game for an entire gen of progress. Which with 3 survivors, means 3 gens.

"Survivors have too many objectives to worry about than a camping and tunneling killer" Heckin what? Thats the almost ENTIRE argument about the imbalance of this game, they DON'T have too many objectives they have far too little. 5 survivors, assuming not being harassed and some optimal play. Can FINISH all 5 gens, and open the exit gates, in two and a half minutes. They can literally complete the game and win in two and a half minutes. My personal fastest game in a full swf with sweaty tryhards was 4 minutes and 49 seconds. BEST CASE scenario for a Plague (which is the killer in question) in that situation is to down a weak link survivor within the first 80 seconds. There was no weak link

Your entire post is null anyways considering you base your entire argument on the fact that in your eyes the killer must "earn" there kills. Which literally goes RIGHT into what I said about this community making up arbitrary rules they must themselves follow. You may not like it, thats fine. But playing, in this communities eyes, as "scummy" or "toxic" is quite often the best way to actually play. Like it or not, tunneling a weak survivor out the game who makes lots of mistakes is almost 100% of the time correct. Sacrificing 3 gens to knock a survivor out of the game basically removes the survivors ability to win, many factors are still open though obviously.

You say "good killer" but I disagree. A good killer doesn't need to resort to a noob tactic to tunnel out the weak.

"Makes you look weak, like you're afraid to chase someone else." Um...yeah? You don't chase good survivors when bad ones are right there." I consider myself a good killer. I don't target weak or strong survivors. When I approach a gen with 2 or more people on it, it's random. Whoever is close and I get the hit. If I do end up chasing a good survivor I don't break off like a pussy, I chase them. I try to earn that sacrifice. Challenges are what makes you a better killer/survivor. You tunnel a weak survivor to make it easier on yourself and that's weak. Just like life. Keep taking the easy way out and you get nowhere. Challenge yourself and learn from mistakes and you become better. To think to yourself every time you drop into a game that you must tunnel and camp hooks to get your sacrifices is a bad way too play and ruins the experience and you will never become a good, smart killer if you continue taking the easy way.

" You may inflate your sense of self honor, great, good job, you lost the game but you lost with your honor intact rofl". Probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard but ok. I lose the game, so what? Just like a survivor I go in and do the best I can win or lose. Tunneling and camping for a win to the higher ranks sounds absolutely dumb and should backfire when you actually start getting paired against at least 3 survivors who belong in the high ranks. That's like sucking your way up to the top at work but you lack experience to handle the job.

The nurse and spirit are not that OP especially with Pinhead in the picture. Freddy has a terrible lunge, Pinhead can slow down a survivor in more ways than one, The Trickster's knives are too much especially when it only takes 6 to down a survivor and they are ridiculously fast. I could sit here all day and tell you (and explain) who is more OP than those two.

I'll break down the objectives that survivors have to make it out alive. Generators (main objective) but what could slow that down? Hex Totems. Another objective. If you don't cleanse totems, ruin and undying (for example since those are the most used) remains active and could spell trouble if you get chased off a gen. Again if you don't cleanse totems you run into NOED. Now you have a serious problem on your hands. A survivor cleansing totems slows the generator process down especially when someone is being chased by the killer which brings me to the next objective. Looping a killer. One person being chased by a killer also slows down the process. Sometimes you have a survivor that just runs around the map like an idiot while you're being chased which leads to only two people on a generator. But what happens if the survivor gets downed by the killer? You guessed it right. Rescue the survivor. In a solo match or you drop into a game with only 1 friend, who's doing the rescue? You? Your friend? Or the random survivor? Now you need to communicate on who's going for the rescue. The hook survivor may not have kindred on so you need to see who is going before you decide to jump off the generator, with possible an active ruin, and save the person on the hook. But now we have another problem. What if the killer is proxy camping? now you need to take time and decide your next move to get to that survivor and get out of there. Ok so what if the killer left and it's safe? Well the killer has BBQ and now has moved on to the next survivor who has been chased off a gen. Now you must unhook, possible heal then get back on a generator before you lose progress. Oh no, here comes another objective. A killer's belongings. You are facing a pinhead so now someone needs to stop what they are doing to solve the box before the annoying chains come out. Or it's a pig. Now you've got a trap on your head in which now you are more likely to die because no one cares about that trap and they just finish the gens so you're stuck running around trying to get the damn thing off your head. Have I made my point yet or should I keep going?

The killer has a few objectives. Slow down the gens, chase and sacrifice then survivors, give something survivors to do to keep them off gens. yes there are bumps along the way such as good looping spots, pallets, windows, flashlights, firecrackers, basically anything a survivor has to stun or flash to get away or waste your time but you can move faster, trap survivors, lunge or long range attacks multiple times, break down doors and pallets to make a loop unsafe. It's so much easier for a killer to add pressure than it is for a survivor to put pressure on a killer.

My post is null? Why, because you say so? Because you don't agree? You may not like it, that's fine. A survivor has to earn the win just as much as the killer "should" earn their win. How can you consider playing scummy and toxic the best way to play? That's completely stupid. You know who plays like that? Trash killers with no skill. There is no argument about it. Camping and tunneling requires no skill. I can chase a survivor down, hook them and just sit there or proxy around the map so no one gets close. Easy! You know cries that survivors have the advantage? Killers with no skill. You know why survivors complain about killers camping and tunneling? BECAUSE IT REQUIRES NO SKILL.

Wait, two and half minutes to complete a game? It takes half of that for two survivors to complete one gen. That makes no sense.