Players Saying You're Bad Because You Run Certain Perks

I get mad when survivors use all meta perks, because they don't really need them. Killers I'm fine with. What I do get mad about across the board is when people win with those perks and puff their chests and act like it was all skill, when I can count the moments in the match where a perk bailed them out rather than their own game sense.

just do totems

The perk I personally have a gripe with overall is Adrenaline. I don't think it should heal you off the hook. Every other perk I've come to terms with. Lucky Break I still think is MASSIVELY underutilized. Lucky Break with Iron Will makes it....just incredibly difficult to continue a chase and quite often can just get you out for free. I think if more survivors ran it, you would definitely see people like o_O with its balance.

I still get hit by DS sometimes when it makes no sense. Due to the fact that DS has to do with YOU doing something to someone else, or someone else doing something to you. If you self heal with a medkit, you can actually keep DS. I have had games where the person was unhooked, healed themselves with a medkit, got into a chase with me, went down, and I was DS'd. It happens actually about once a day or so and when that happens it's pretty highly irritating. Other than that DS is as it should be, and because survivors can no longer abuse the ######### out of it, its mostly gone.

Iron Will would be the only other perk I think that needs to be looked at. It's just too strong for what it does. It's an every game use perk, that gets value literally every single game. If you didn't get value from it, that means you could have run the game perkless and still won. And its value is tremendous, from hiding from a killer, to throwing off their chase based on sound which is far more than just Spirit.

On CSGO they hate if you use P90... it's normal... low skill requirements make people think you have low skill.

Matches are much easier if you use META perks... so players assume "Oh, he must be bad", even though the game balance warrants for its use. Also you can't tell if the survivors are using META perks themselves, so you just assume they have the best perks so you equip your own best build.

Also NOED can be very useful to compensate for mistakes, and survivors hate that the killer can have a comeback so cheaply... and I agree that Noed should be a little weaker... even though it's very counterplayable

Noed is fine where it is.

Do Bones, nuff said

As a Huntress main i see D.S As the ultimate bad perk.

Cant dodge Hatchets so you need a "clutch" free escape.

I have no idea why you said that, since it has no bearing on what I said. Note that I wrote "there is no perk that shows you to be a bad killer"

Read comment properly. Nuff said.

Five totems at 14 seconds cleansing time each gives us a total of 70 seconds to cleanse all of them, a far shot from 160 seconds, which is the time it takes to repair two generators.

If every survivor in the group just looked for totems on their way to every next objective and cleansed them it doesn't even add up to that much extra time.

And finally if you're working on the one of the final generators and you see some bones in front of you? Leave them a minimum of 1 in (5 - n), where n is the number of totems you personally have cleansed and confirmed other broken bones, of having the NoED hex totem activate in front of you is better than zero percent.

Hell, I get how frustrating NoED can be for solo queue, I personally only play solo when I play survivor, but that tiny amount of additional time that it takes to cleanse totems are insignificant compared to how little time killers have to kill all survivors if they are actually doing generators. Which brings me to the actual crux of the problem, you are either not as good as you think and struggle because you and your teammates are not doing generators quick enough or you just last less than 10 seconds per chase.

If we compare the time for a killer to down twelve survivors to one survivor repairing five generators we get that the killer is the one that has no time compared to survivors. Assuming 15 seconds per hit, to make it a really simple comparison each hit happens 15 seconds after each other, also assuming only one survivor repairing five generators that are unrealistically right next to each other in a line. This gives us a total time for killers of 360 seconds and 400 seconds for one survivor to complete the generators.

So from someone that plays solo queue survivor I will leave you these words, do bones.

Yes, I pretty much wrote this in my post but good job on comprehension. But I fail to see the point of reiterating it? Yes, I did simplify the comparison to the simplest I could think of, since a lot of factors are completely random. For example I ignored the time it takes to pick up and carry a survivor to a hook because the times varies so much, some times you down someone right next to a hook and sometimes you down someone in a quadrant of the map where there are zero hooks in range. Additionally I did limit the number of survivors repairing the generators to one to show how ridiculously little time a killer has before survivors escape.

Also ineptitude of solo teams does not equal noed being overpowered. The tools and ways to prevent it is exists and is completely in the survivors hands. But they refuse to, instead of doing 1 bone each they ignore them and force one survivor to run around to find them most of the time.

For example, there is nothing like having Devour Hope reach three or more stacks and seeing the speed at which survivors start to cleanse totems like their lives depends on it. I was running a totem build with Wraith for the tome challenge to hit people while exposed using Ruin, Undying, Devour Hope and Haunted Grounds and every match was almost the same, until Devour Hope was triggered no one barely touched the bones and all of a sudden they got them all done in less than 30 seconds. It's magical how fast they go when people actually don't ignore totems.

I am proud to say that I sometimes do unironically stop a do totems when I am traveling between generators, depending on totem spot I might leave it for later. Free points and emblem score if nothing else.

You play how you want but I find this extremely boring and cowardly to leave people behind unless absolutely necessary, I.E. built in one hit down or if someone opened the door and putting us on a timer to find the NoED totem.

I love it. The argument against noed is the ineptitude of teammates but when the killer gets more than one kill with it then that ineptitude is not the source of the problem by feeding the killer.

Either your teammates are good and everybody can keep totems in mind so it takes average way less than 70 seconds to cleanse all totems or you get potatoes and simply leave them once noed comes into play.

Either you bake the cake or eat it. Not both.

Wanting to ignore totems despite good teammates or escaping with all 4 when teammates are potatoes is asking to get handheld by the game.

I think you should be using the most effective perks for your killer/survivor. That's what they are there for. Undying was literally made for pairing with ruin to counter how fast it goes down most of the time. Mentioned survivor perks were made to counter being focused by the killer too quickly. Why gimp your character?

In response to the first point, the reason I respect lesser ised perks is not because of skill, moreover someone is willing to try something different. I respect that more for people thinking beyond the few big ones, but doesn't mean I think poorly of others.

And second point, I have won with bad perks against swf. And others have. And many more will. Maybe there is a better chance, but with a mindset as you described, you've already talked yourself into a loss. Skill can outweigh any perk, when learnt well.

I don't think everyone that run these perks are necessarily bad, but I do think that all bad players seem to run these perks. There are a lot of people that get carried by their perks in this game, and most people are not as good as they think they are because of this.

My opinion on this topic. There are some perks I simply do not like facing against but at the end of the day, the only person I can control is myself. If you didn't pay for my copy of the game you have no right to tell me what I can and cannot use.

Yeah cause that blight/spirit/nurse definitely needs ruin pop undying tinkerer.

Eh, I think the complaint comes less from the perks themselves these days (Afterall, we don't have old Tinkerer Ruin Undying) and more so the mentality with the people who run those perks. If you see a Survivor running DS+UB, BT and IW then you're probably going to associate them to trying a lot harder compared to a goofball running Babysitter. On the same thing with Killer, there's gonna be a far different thought process between playing against a Blight with a full meta build and a Blight with Dragon's Grip. (God, love that perk, wish more people used it.)

Mix that with just how strong meta perks are in this game, and how overbaring they can be for the opposition, mixed with many player's seeming to not like the idea of letting up a little on the opposition when they're getting absolutely rolled, and it's frustrating to get out perked instead of outplayed. And in the same vain, if you go in with a meme build and you play well verses the team who were running meta perks, but still act like they have the largest schlongs in history in post-game chat, it is frustrating.

With that being said though, I will always agree that I do think NOED and Self-Care make you worse for running them. Self-Care encourages you taking far, far too much time off the other objectives to get value out of. NOED encourages that you don't have to play well since you get rewarded in end game- many times landing you free kills against solos- while also taking up a valuable perk slot that could have easily been used by another perk that would have been guranteed to get more use, against both coordinated and uncoordinated teams.