Speed of Killers
So I just found this out: Wraith has 150% movement while cloaked.
WHAT?!
So not only is he invisible, he is the fastest moving thing in the game WHILE invisible?
As a Legion main, whos ONLY POWER is to GO FAST... my top movement speed is 130--and I'm not invisible. Like you can see my a mile away most likely.
So I just watched my friend get the easiest 4ks I've ever seen by just being cloaked, walking up behind survivors, uncloaking, and then with his burst he gets after uncloaking just slugs them--cloaks again--catches up--uncloaks, and hits them again.
Like... da fek
Like let me know if I'm getting confused with something but it seems like some killers are just daddys favorite lol
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Thats why we have killer tiers...
Low Tier: Wraith.
Trash Tier: Legion.
Its simple as that...
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it doesnt make sense why wraith needs to move at mach 10 while cloaked though. like dude youre ALREADY invisible, why do you also need to move faster than anything else in the game? like legion literally only gets 1 thing--run fast. and even THEN he's not the fastest lol. like i dont get why the developers literally make only 3-4 killers viable
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Legion can attack, Wraith can't -> he needs to uncloak first, which can be abused a lot with windows and palelts.
I mean, Legion is definetly worse, but Wraith is not OP killer by any means.
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Wraith isn't the fastest.
Most of the movement speed based powers are faster. Blight, Billy, Oni. I don't remember what Spirit's base is, but she can go well over 150%.
BHVR are just terrified of giving Legion any meaningful buffs because of his start.
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Low tier for wraith?
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nah i never said wraith was OP, but the fact that he is SO goddamn fast while cloaked doesnt make any sense balance wise. like you can litearlly get onto a survviors BUTT like be RIGHT behind them, unclock, and hit. like the fact that you cant attack while cloaked doesnt matter.
and legion cant even down anyone while in their ability. like you get to damage someone--thats it. and if they're already damaged, then your power is usueless at that point.
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to my knowledge Legion doesn't have anything going for them. i have no clue why i like this killer other than their look and backstory--i kinda wish they would be reworked so they matched their killer trailer more. i really thought theyd have some kinda power that made them look like a survivor. i mean if wraith can cloak to be invisible, but not attack, why cant legion cloak to look like a survivor and not attack or something
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Legion was broken on his (their?) start. Literally damn near killed the game. After a good while of that, BHVR nerfed them into the ground and refuse to give them any of the buffs they kind of need at this point.
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thats fair :l oh they were strong for 1 week during their entirety? never let them be good again. ever. make sure they are forever C list.
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I can't remember how long it was for, but I think around five months. They weren't neccesarily strong- They were this infuriating mix of weak and uncounterable.
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Power to look like survivor will make it even worse. Any decent survivor will figure out u are Legion, and if they are on comps, gg wp surrender time.
Also if we compare Wraith vs Legion, yes, Wraith is better overall, it's a racing truck cleaning map with wallhack addons and very noob friendly. But problem is in Legion power.
He is only killer who can injure all 4 survivors early game if they are all close. So in return he can't down while his power on. What's actually unfair is his 4 sec stun no matter either u stop your power or 10 sec passed. (That's why u want survivors hit u with the pallet it's 2 sec stun), your collision that's allows survivors abuse u on pallet/window vaults and inability to pressure survivors in any other way.
To solve this i would rly want to see some of his addons reworked into passive (i rly want to see inbuilt pallet break on vault as passive or something that's helps u end looping cause currently u have nothing to cancel infinite loops) , and others entirely reworked cause they are bad. Take collision away and lower stun duration. Like make it 2 sec or something close.
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Iri button would be super broken as basekit.
You are able to injure 4 survivors early only in theory. It is super rare and you can usually do it only when you stack duration addons.
In high MMR, you will almost never injure more than 2 and sometimes not even that. Survivors will split-up and also start running as soon you get first hit.
I was against team that enjoyed waiting under pallet, let me hit them and then stun me, so I wasn't able to commit on anyone else with my power and didn't get any info. Well, I run enduring + spirit fury since then.
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I'm not sure but if it will be broken but what do u suggest? A lot of people think Wraith is Op while he can't do anything to high mmr teams. And legion isn't even half good.
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How I would buff Legion to be viable?
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Frenzy Fatigue on missed attack : 4 seconds (same) -> it would still be worth to do, if you want to block survivor with Lunge.
Frenzy Fatigue on cancel: 3 seconds -> second can do a lot, but survivor would still get some distance and addons might not even need a nerf.
Either make him faster during Frenzy, or make duration longer. I would rather go by faster-> maybe from 5.2 m/s to 5.6 m/s.
This way it would be easier to get multiple hits, which is something he is supposed to be good at.
Basic attack doesn't remove Frenzy -> I don't get why they should.
Give him better collision after vaulting.
Rework some useless addons.
I doubt he would get any high in tier list, but he would definetly feel better to play as.
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