Console: My take on survivors vs killers

@SirMurphAlot

what mode do you play with survivor?

I only play solo.

Me i dont really play swf and dont like being on mic so i would say im a decent player because i got to rank 1 with no communication with randoms.

I already told you that rank 1 is not an achievement.
I got to rank 1 within 2 weeks with both killer and survivor. By the time I was rank 1 with both i didn't even know how many maps there were, I didn't know where most of the pallet spots were, I didn't know what the doctors ability even did or how it worked, I didn't know how the hatch-spawn mechanic worked, I didn't know that a key could reveal the aura of survivors, I didn't understand kindred when teammates had it and the killers showed up in pink;

I basically got "Rank" 1 before knowing how the game even worked.

Rank 1 means literally nothing.
Rank 1 in DBD would mean being Bronze 1 in League of Legends, but unlike DBD, League of Legends does have further representations of skill beyond the point of bronze 1.

@SirMurphAlot

If you think no one plays competative in ranks and doesnt earn rank 1 by being a good player, you are delusional.

It's as if you have no reading capacity. Earning rank 1? What are you talking about? that you earn what a real ranking system would produce or the DBD grinding system that calls itself a rank?

Since you clarify so little and hide in vaguery it's really hard to address your non-point.

I find you not having any knowledge about how the game works, playing with randoms, and reaching rank 1 in 2 weeks very questionable unless you put in some time and if you did, you would know how the game worked.

So you are in denial?
What if I record for you deliberate terrible gameplay while reaching rank 1 from rank 10 within half a week, will you abdicate that the ranking system in DBD is not a real ranking system? Since through reading and reasoning it wasn't obvious to you?

Oh i watched the guy you were promoting and saw his no run perk videos where he beat most survivors pretty easy i also watched his videos about the experiments and its not that good of an experiment, the experiment consisted of him getting together with these people and having them all run the same perks, most people dont play that way. If your argument for survivors being stronger is you take some of the best players in the game have them all run the same perks against random killers and thats why they are stronger, thats a weak argument, it would be like taking the patriots and having them destroy a big league team from a local town and going hey i think we need to give them a huge handicap over these other teams because did ya see what the patriots did to them. Of course there gonna have an edge.

He plays no perk killer against rank 1, which is again comprised of both the worst 50% and the best 0.1%. He as a killer main fully admits that survivors are the dominating force in this game, as he can get better results on survivor as a killer main than he can get on a killer main as a killer.

That literally delegitimises your entire point.
He plays in a weird manner that is "not normal"? This is called actually trying your best as a survivor.

Since it's dead clear that you belong among the lower-tier players, I doubt that you would even consider having actual strategic pressure on survivors.

@SirPurphAlot

Let me respond to your collection of miss-phrases and fallacies;

So because multiple people can be rank 1 it negates the rank system.

Yes, it completely does, and remember Rank Domain =/= Rank.

yeah its not a good bench mark but just because some are bad doesnt mean all are bad and didnt earn the rank 1 spot.

In fact everyone who is rank 1 in dead by daylight deserve to be Rank 1. It simple has nothing to do with you actually being good at the game.
What you don't deserve is inflating Dead By Daylight's Rank 1 with a Rank 1 in real Ranking system would indicate: meaning that you belong to the best top % of players in the game, because in Dead By Daylight this is simply not the case.
Rank 1 in DBD just means you belong to a club of grinders who passed the basic non-retardation test (the constant emblem system).

Yeah because if you were playing like you said you were, killers would have exploited you especially low ranks and you wouldnt have made rank 1.

More denial, beautiful. I'll make it even more fun for you: I'll film 3 consecutive games at the rank where I'm now and I'll play 3 at rank 1 all without perks to show how irrelevant the Emblem "rank" system in DBD is.

So 50% are bad and 0.1% are best where do the rest fall.

Every player at any skill level falls everywhere based on how much you play. If you are a terrible game-thrower who dies every game, you'll still pip and climb to rank 1 if you execute even the basics of the Emblem system.

(Or in short: Just run for hook rescues and you'll still pip in nearly all of your games).

Im taking into account normal players, ones that dont spend countless hours to play this game, his experiment is about the top .1%

So you admit again that your post is nothing more than reminding us that bad killers have it easier against bad survivors, where as good killers have it very hard against good survivors?
It's as if we're going in circles here.

its not that i didnt understand it was the fact you devalued everyone that got to rank 1 because some that got there werent good.

Me: Moustaches indicate little about how fast of a sprinter you are. You can be terrible at sprinting and still have a moustache:

You: its not that i didnt understand it was the fact you devalued every sprinter that got a moustache because there are some humans alive that have a moustache and aren't good at sprinting.

Me: Bruh...
I say that your moustache is not an indicator of sprinting skills.

Final note:

At least try to quote what I said instead of your deformed paraphrases.

Do you want me to do the perkless 6 matches at my current rank after the reset and at rank 1, while playing ridiculous, making my team lose while pipping?
If I manage to, will you admit that you are wrong about the ranking system and admit that the only thing your post does is illustrate that if DBD had a real ranking system, you would be near the bottom/middle far from being a good player and have limited understanding of the game?

@SirMurphAlot said:
@NoShinyPony i have the rarest blood type should an experiment just involving my bloodtype dictake how it affects you

What is this comparison?

Sorry you don't understand game balance.

@SirMurphAlot said:
@NoShinyPony i have the rarest blood type should an experiment just involving my bloodtype dictake how it affects you

That comparison doesn't work and @GodDamn_Angela and @thesuicidefox are totally right. Once more: People can constantly get better at a game and it needs to be balanced for the people who the play the game how it is supposed to be played.

The people that have problems simply need to practice more or they have to accept that they will continue to lose a lot of matches since they are not good enough players. That concept is not exclusive with DbD, that is how video games work! That concept is not even exclusive to video games, that is how life works!

And the problem with DbD: This game is at the moment not balanced well enough. Against a top SWF group you can only stand a chance with Nurse and few other exceptions.

@SirMurphAlot said:
Quit talking out your ass

If you want to have a serious discussion, treat others with respect.

@SirMurphAlot said:
Your right it favors killers. But how the way you guys talk killers shouldnt have any chance of beating any top SWF

You misunderstood. This game favors survivors. And against the top SWF groups, a killer doesn't stand a chance unless they play nurse (and few exceptions).

@SirMurphAlot said:
no your guys argument doesnt work because you took a small percentage and somehow twisted it in meaning that it was a huge percentage. Thats not how math works

We are talking about balancing a game. Games need to balanced around top players. That's a fact and not anything that we made up.

@SirMurphAlot said:
@NoShinyPony no dont give me this ######### about be respectful, i gave my opinion ... because you insulted me with thats how life is like

So I "insulted" you with saying: "That concept is not exclusive with DbD, that is how video games work! That concept is not even exclusive to video games, that is how life works!"?
That is neither an insult nor a justification for being disrespectful to me. I am happy to have discussions about this game but not like this.

O_O

@SirMurphAlot

(You kept misquoting what I said about rank btw. I said people didn't deserve to inflate DBD's Rank 1 with a real Rank domain, while you pretended that I said that people didn't deserve their DBD rank 1 or that nobody in rank 1 could be good + Misquoting my mentioning of the 0.1% playing together with the worst 50% under the name of "Rank" 1 and pretended that I only said that 0.1% of the players are affected by the game being survivor-sided.)

The rest of your post (the original one) is you telling us that bicycles are faster than planes, because planes had all these difficult buttons that you had the press while the bicyclist only had 1 main goal; to pedal. We already covered why this is not the case and why your post is only an illustration of the learning curve of killers and survivors rather than any new statement about whether the game is killer/survivor sided.

Thus why the first reaction with the picture goes: A story as old as time.

You are simply in the learning process.

New players who played 10 hours of killers will more often win against survivors with 10 hours of experience, but (good) survivors with 1000 hours of experience will dominate (good) killers with 1000 hours of experience. (The plane example)

Your post should be about how to limit the gap between Killer-versus-Survivors at the lower percentile of players against the higher percentile of players (which is what me, and others are working on).

As for the main statement; the game remains survivor sided and you will come to that conclusion yourself if you spend enough time learning both sides.

@AlwaysInAGoodShape
You've wasted a lot of keystrokes "arguing" with a contrarian.