Legion Buffs & Thoughts

Bump.

@redsopine01 said:
Caretaker said:

Played Legion for most of yesterday since they released. I've played at rank 1, gotten Adept, and a few quad iris/perfect matches. I watched people play against them, and listened to my friends play. Watched tons of videos and streams from multiple people in the community. I can post my screenshots if needed as well.

For positives: I think they're honestly one of the most fun killers they've ever made so bravo. I love the aesthetic, how they're power works, the cosmetics are great. They're point gains are insane, and he excels when it comes to emblems that some other killers struggle to obtain.

For negatives: Deep Wounds was changed to something a friend of mine suggested, but it wasn't implemented right. DW stopping at 99% just ruins any pressure it would've had if they'd just let it down you regardless. Just add a few seconds more to let people mend and if you don't, you go down. His power can't be used to down anyone unless you want to waste so much time. Which is something killers do not have against a team that wants to rush. Also 4 hits? Jesus.

His end-game is non-existent and there are so many perks that flat out don't work on him. Sure Thanata gets use again, but it's still a bad perk in desperate need of some love. Also, their power is made to multi-tag survivors but most of the time you just fatigue before you can even get the second hit making it a waste of time to chase if they're too far. On larger maps you have nothing you can really do because you're a 110 killer. You can't cover ground, and every chase is extended even on unsafe loops. Smart players will just loop you.

Not only are most perks bad on them, so are most of the addons. The only good ones are Cold Dirt, Frank's Mix Tape, and that's about it. Duration is kinda helpful for mult-tagging assuming you're in range, and speed isn't really noticeable. Stab Wounds Study is worthless, they're Iris are god awful, and one is a copy of Wraith's All-Seeing Blood but worse. So you really can't say just use addons, cuz only a purple addon can, or a combo. Cold Dirt & Frank's.

Most people are saying they're the worst killer in the game, but I think he has potential. I'm not saying they'll be crawling out of low tier, but they're not the worst. Especially with the above combo I mentioned. However, no killer should rely on addons. I'm a purist I don't like running addons. I would much prefer a gimped addon for a bit of boost and be powerful and fun at base.

To buff them I feel like Frank's Mix Tape should be baseline, possibly even Cold Dirt. Frank's Mix Tape makes it so Frenzy is a 3-hit down, not 4. Cold Dirt makes your fatigue a slight bit shorter. Honestly just adding in Frank's Mix Tape would fix 90% of they're problems and make their power actually put down some pressure. Devs have stated they want fast chases, Legion could have those.

People don't like the cut chase, bleed out, down with Frenzy. This would make it a much more active use of his power. Frenzy, hit, swap targets if possible, if not hit again, fatigue, chase, build power, Frenzy, down. You can counter this by baiting pallets, running out they're power, a decent loop will stall even despite the increased Frenzy speed.

Frank's Mix Tape makes them feel like an actual killer. Cold Dirt is a huge QOL addon, but again I'd be totally happy with just the mix tape base. Using it made it feel like their description, I felt like I could really chase people down and I was active all game. Not just waiting out mend times to down. They still got gens, they still powered the gates, because they played smart. Devs please let us have a strong killer, this change would make him a solid mid-tier that you can still deal with.

The only other problem is finding a way to boost him so he can actually traverse the map and patrol because 110 ruins him for that. It just rips your pressure away. I'm not sure how to fix it honestly the addons don't. Maybe every fresh DW application gives a stacking speed boost? Idk, but he needs something for patrol and he'd be amazing, and fun to play against instead of a minor annoyance.

You forgot feral mixtape that is a god on legion as most people.when they play against him split up for the rest of the game and feral shows gen progress when your in frenzy

Uhh, I mentioned Fuming, and it's terrible. You would never use Frenzy to track or find someone like that.

Also, wanna add on to the changes that I forgot to mention. Remove the moonwalk strat. Make it so within x meter radius your bleedout doesn't go down. This way you could avoid Legion, and not worry about that cheese.> @SasukeKun said:

@Caretaker said:
Played Legion for most of yesterday since they released. I've played at rank 1, gotten Adept, and a few quad iris/perfect matches. I watched people play against them, and listened to my friends play. Watched tons of videos and streams from multiple people in the community. I can post my screenshots if needed as well.

For positives: I think they're honestly one of the most fun killers they've ever made so bravo. I love the aesthetic, how they're power works, the cosmetics are great. They're point gains are insane, and he excels when it comes to emblems that some other killers struggle to obtain.

For negatives: Deep Wounds was changed to something a friend of mine suggested, but it wasn't implemented right. DW stopping at 99% just ruins any pressure it would've had if they'd just let it down you regardless. Just add a few seconds more to let people mend and if you don't, you go down. His power can't be used to down anyone unless you want to waste so much time. Which is something killers do not have against a team that wants to rush. Also 4 hits? Jesus.

His end-game is non-existent and there are so many perks that flat out don't work on him. Sure Thanata gets use again, but it's still a bad perk in desperate need of some love. Also, their power is made to multi-tag survivors but most of the time you just fatigue before you can even get the second hit making it a waste of time to chase if they're too far. On larger maps you have nothing you can really do because you're a 110 killer. You can't cover ground, and every chase is extended even on unsafe loops. Smart players will just loop you.

Not only are most perks bad on them, so are most of the addons. The only good ones are Cold Dirt, Frank's Mix Tape, and that's about it. Duration is kinda helpful for mult-tagging assuming you're in range, and speed isn't really noticeable. Stab Wounds Study is worthless, they're Iris are god awful, and one is a copy of Wraith's All-Seeing Blood but worse. So you really can't say just use addons, cuz only a purple addon can, or a combo. Cold Dirt & Frank's.

Most people are saying they're the worst killer in the game, but I think he has potential. I'm not saying they'll be crawling out of low tier, but they're not the worst. Especially with the above combo I mentioned. However, no killer should rely on addons. I'm a purist I don't like running addons. I would much prefer a gimped addon for a bit of boost and be powerful and fun at base.

To buff them I feel like Frank's Mix Tape should be baseline, possibly even Cold Dirt. Frank's Mix Tape makes it so Frenzy is a 3-hit down, not 4. Cold Dirt makes your fatigue a slight bit shorter. Honestly just adding in Frank's Mix Tape would fix 90% of they're problems and make their power actually put down some pressure. Devs have stated they want fast chases, Legion could have those.

People don't like the cut chase, bleed out, down with Frenzy. This would make it a much more active use of his power. Frenzy, hit, swap targets if possible, if not hit again, fatigue, chase, build power, Frenzy, down. You can counter this by baiting pallets, running out they're power, a decent loop will stall even despite the increased Frenzy speed.

Frank's Mix Tape makes them feel like an actual killer. Cold Dirt is a huge QOL addon, but again I'd be totally happy with just the mix tape base. Using it made it feel like their description, I felt like I could really chase people down and I was active all game. Not just waiting out mend times to down. They still got gens, they still powered the gates, because they played smart. Devs please let us have a strong killer, this change would make him a solid mid-tier that you can still deal with.

The only other problem is finding a way to boost him so he can actually traverse the map and patrol because 110 ruins him for that. It just rips your pressure away. I'm not sure how to fix it honestly the addons don't. Maybe every fresh DW application gives a stacking speed boost? Idk, but he needs something for patrol and he'd be amazing, and fun to play against instead of a minor annoyance.

i feel the pain, I'm p2 50 with Legion rn and it's just the struggle every match. I feel like once they were released like they are now and people got a feel, they just became so un reliable.

My biggest flaws i think is; Frenzy is too slow overall, 4 hits? WHO CAME UP with that? and yes they have ZERO end game. The way the game works, they just are not balanced..Everything you have to do because of their design wastes too much time because you can do literally nothing against rushing teams.

Then all the little [BAD WORD] groups think they are skilled when they beat Legion. It's like boasting because you got away from freddy lol get real

Yea, this is a huge problem, and speed addons don't add much. Duration is REALLY good on Legion.