Killers need to accept new rules

The issue I have with the MMR is not the casual play gone, because I still get those. The main issue I have is how inconsistent the MMR is.....I can get one or two matches with low skill survivors and get a 4k then suddenly get match with the most toxic SWF team ever that trolls me every time. Then I get dropped back to those low skills again. There is no in between.

Just because the devs say 2 is fine, doesn't mean 2 is fine 🤷

I don't really tie in to the whole tie concept for the reason of going in for a 4 man.

I just don't want to settle for 2 kills and have that considered "fine". I find it.. irritating I guess

"in a sense a victory" is wrong. 2k means two losses and two wins for the MMR, so a draw, as before.

Nah i accept that this game gets more unbalanced more and more so i just stopped playing killer.

Tbh something which i enjoyed very much but ever since the introduction of the sbmm, the games are mostly about 7 to 8 minutes if I'm lucky.

Don't get me wrong, i don't mind trying hard to get as much as possible, but doing different builds or trying different builds are just doomed to fail.

Things like scratch mirror Myers at high mmr is extremely rare to succeed, just to give an example.

Cause they just rush the gens even faster if they know you try something like that.

It's sad but because of the devs who are so proud of their "accomplishment" forces me to switch to just one side to have some fun at this game.

Boops to a fellow Pig fan! 😁 It sounds like we play a similar Pig (I'm ruthless when I need to be, but a Boop will set you free, lol).

It sounds like you should enjoy this clip then from a match I had.

So you're saying an average game of x is a draw, because some you win and some you lose, so you should count a draw as a win...

People are allowed to vent their frustrations about the system. Whether or not they "accept" the new system is entirely irrelevant, as it is very disingenuous to call criticism of the MMR system "Refusal to accept the new rules"

If any means possible, everyone just use 3 slowdown with Noed and tunneling. Its far difference than killers who has first death at 9th hook.

Same to survivors to use 4 second chances vs a meme build.

2k is such a weird benchmark to aim for. I get that as an average, and it sounds reasonable, but from a killer perspective 2k games are usually outliers that aren't very fun or interesting because it usually comes about due to survivors throwing at the end rather than you killing 2 people before gates are open.

In my opinion, the average game should have 1 or 3 kills, with 4 and 0 being extremely rare due to good rubber banding mechanics. 2 would be fine if the game systems were different, but its just such a wacky number to reach via organic play and usually comes about because survivors are a bit too cocky during the end game collapse where they get a stupidly comical amount of power and safety.

As for MMR having inconsistent results, its because its a misaligned algorithm: It is trying to optimize something that humans do not value, and as a result it is creating inconsistent nonsense where your MMR doesn't mean anything. You can optimize it as much as you want, but because the goal doesn't align with player goals it isn't going to result in anything good.

Now if it was counting average escape count of a survivor's teammates, or average rate of reaching EGC vs stopping the survivors from reaching EGC, it might work better, because that is probably the most commonly shared victory condition of the playerbase on both sides (forgetting how badly this devalues 'final boss' perks) and good players will generally optimize for that goal as an instrumental goal no matter what their core goal in the game is, so tracking it is more likely going to find killers who are good at stopping survivors from doing their goals (And are thus stronger players) and vice versa. As a bonus this would also cause MMR to care about supportive play, which is why almost every good MMR system cares way more about team performance rather than individual even in solo queues: it lets MMR 'see' that your preforming well even if your contributions are not easily measured metrics: You would vastly prefer to let someone get carried once in a while if they 'feed' in a bad game because you can see overall their team loses more games on average when they are on it, than let the supportive player who ensures their entire team is successful despite biffing it constantly forcing the win de-rank even though their teams tend to have absurd winrates.

But because people generally don't care about surviving and strong survivors often valuing trying to force 'total victory' rather than just taking the personal win once EGC hits, you get this weird effect where MMR doesn't actually reflect any meaningful value about you in regards to how likely it is for you to be able to loop the killer for 3000 years or effectively do objectives in a way that shuts down killers.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think an accurate MMR system would be good either: DBD is most interesting when there is a weak link on the team in over their head to give some tension to the game because optimal play on both sides leads to boring games, and the game is desperately in need of a core overhaul to modernize it. But the reason MMR doesn't seem to work is really obvious to anyone who understands how optimization algorithms work: you can't just toss one together and train it on a specific goal if the specific goal is really dumb and doesn't reflect what people care about, and then use that data to train it further to be more accurate. That just creates a system that gets better and better at maximizing a certain value that has no useful real world effect, rather than a system that is better at doing what you want it to do over time.

How have the rules changed? They said that 2k is a tie. Before that people said 2k is a tie. It always and still is considered a tie.

The thing with the New rule is, it sucks for both sides.

I have fun as survivor in solo when I see I have to do alot to earn my escape.

Or when I play killer I like it whenever I see someone who Greetsiel me. As Legion or Ghosty. They even invite me sometime to Do gens with them. So I play along and have fun with them.

When I see one who played in an hard game good or his/her Team abandoned through dc. I often let them have the hatch.

But Camping and tunneling is for me a no go. Only if I see someone who means mobbing another Player.

Ok back to topic, this New System Supports such behavior. Kill your own teammates or be Toxic af to get further or camp and tunnel with killer. To get a Atheist a draw.

If they would make it that the kills and the points you get would work together to say how good a game Was, that would be better then this right now.