The nerf to the deathslinger was the last nail in the coffin to play killer for me.

lmao. They have the right to change everything and anything. Also he was annoying af to try and counterplay which made him unfair ontop of the tiny terror radius

If you vault, yes. But he can’t immediately m1 like before if he lets go of m2.

So? He was ridiculous to play against. The game is supposed to be enjoyable for both sides. And you're wrong, the dev's being too careful isnt the devs not reworking him. Because they are. If you played him on the PTB, he performs quite similar in 99.9% of the cases. He needs minor to slight other changes, sure, but that will come with time.

Billy did need a punishment on infinite revving though. It's literally the same reason why Deathslinger needed changing: free zoning without punishment. I'd even say that crack billy would be fine if just overheat was introduced. You'll notice a trend amongst the devs soon enough tho. At first they are too afraid of buffing survivor perks even though they are horrible, then they are too afraid of buffing certain mechanics because they have massive potential if snowballed, but the snowball is so hard to obtain in the game that the massive potential barely matters. Then they make a really good change and suddenly buff killers galore and buff survivors galore, make 1 buff or nerf too powerful and then they are careful with every move they make for another 8-10 months.

So really, devs do work on both sides, but for killers to reach an average of 2 kills and survivors an average of 2 escapes, either survivor needs buffing, or killer needs nerfing. But buffing or nerfing survivors really affects the lowest and highest tiers. And buffing and nerfing killers does the same.

So ofcourse the devs will look at the largest set of players, and balance towards their enjoyment. Because this game is a party game, first and foremost. If you make the game tournament balanced, killers would have an average of 3.5 kills in publics. And at that point, why even bother having generators in the game?

Jesus christ, adapt. I hate this nerf with every piece of my soul too and will be really mad if it goes live as it currently is, but I know I have to adapt to these changes. I know I will either have to change the way I play slinger or switch to a different main. Just adapt in the same way everyone has had to adapt when their character or their favorite perk gets nerfed, this game does not revolve around you.

yeah, he needed a buff, NOT A COFFIN!

the nerf isnt even a big one get a hold of yourself man

edit: reading patch notes is not enough to give an opinion i'm dumb

80% of the players isnt survivor only players. It's survivors AND killers. They are ignoring both the highest and lowest tiers of players, whether they are survivors or killers.

Besides, regardless if it is a party game or not, if 1 character consistently wins 65% of their matches just by playing that character, than that character needs to be adjusted. Survivors still dont even get close to an average winrate of 50%, even the best survivor perks have less than 50% escape rate. That is why you dont see survivor nerfs as often right now. Back in the day, there were a lot of perks that had a 70% escape rate when used, lots of maps that had 65% rates of escape. These have all been nerfed already.

The thing is, the way the game is designed, you personally do not feel it a victory if you see 2 survivors escaping. I had a game where I played quite nice and laid back, had 1 kill and everyone dead on hook. If it wasnt for desync screwing me over a few times(server predicting I was closer to a locker than I actually was, stunning me when I shouldnt be stunned, twice), I would have been completely fine with that result. It's just that you know you've been screwed in one way or another that makes it feel like a loss, even though by any competitive means, it's a win.

Feeling like you lost, when you realistically didnt, doesnt mean the game is imbalanced, it just means that it feels like it is.

Seriously, go ahead and start tracking your games, how often you win, how often you lose, how many hooks you've gained etc. Start tracking how often you actually win and actually lose. You'd be surprised to see that you win far more often than you lose. Yet the moments you lose feel much much worse. But did you truly deserve to feel much, much worse because of 3 games you lost, when you won 7 in a row?

His argument was that Billy didnt need changes, yet, he did. From a gameplay perspective, infinite zoning for free is an issue. That alone warrented the overheat mechanic. They overdid it, sure, but that doesnt make it a bad mechanic. As for the addons, yeah, they were far too careful. But to be fair, they literally have tons of data where Billy literally never used addons, just perks and consistently won games.

No, I dont find him annoying, he is objectively a badly designed killer. Being weak in everything does not validate coinflip mechanics. As for stealth, well, not really. If you look at his addons, his stealth should only have been a factor when he uses ADS. Yet, who used ADS for stealth? No one. So his stealth got nerfed, and his ADS stealth got buffed. As for net negatives, they didnt know how much their ADS changes would benefit him. It could easily have benefitted him more than enough to make his chases shorter on average. If that was the case, you literally cannot make him a 115% killer, because it would make him faster AND make his chases shorter. So yes, the devs are being careful. It wasnt known to be a net negative untill practice has shown it. Changing theoretical numbers and predicting practical results is very hard to do. Remember people getting mad at Spirit losing collission with survivors while she was phasing? People claimed it would destroy her, it didnt. And that is quite a massive change. While making a tiny adjustment to Trappers trap reset(where it would stay in the place it was placed at, rather than snapping to where the survivor was caught), was such a tiny change, but had a massive impact. It is very easy for 1 tiny change to have a bigger impact than you might expect.

Yes, he did. Getting a penalty from missing an instadown, is punishing an instadown, not zoning. As for A and B: survivors dont know. The animation for 0.1% charge and 99% charge is EXACTLY THE SAME. That's free zoning. And no, I am not copying Scott. Free zoning is literally being able to push a survivor into a zone purely because of a threat without having any real penalty for doing so. Billy did not have a penalty on his revving while he still had free movement. Bubba didnt have free zoning, because his animation gave away his revving. You can still as a billy rev in front of a locker and go into a locker grab, without survivors knowing if you're at 99 or 0%. If you're at 99 and they jump out, its an instadown, if you're close to 0 and they dont jump out, it's an instadown, Bubba doesnt have this, as his chainsaw lowers before he can grab. So yes, a double penalty makes sense. The overheat mechanic is still too severe, and should lower faster outside of chases(same rate when overheating, which is 6.6 charges per second or so, while normal reduction is 3.5), while lowering slower during chase unless you overheated. Because if you overheat a chainsaw in a single chase, you've been using it to zone too much. The biggest issue with Overheat, is that it applies outside of chase equally as inside of chase.

And yes, survivor perks are objectively weaker than killer perks. 90% of survivor strength comes from items and map resources. Perks only sprinkle a relatively tiny bit on top of that. And most killer perks get ignored for the same reason most survivor perks get ignored. A lot of killer perks that you'd call niche, are actually really good. Just as the survivor perks that survivors call niche are really good. They are simply overshadowed by the same 6 perks. Heck, to drive this even further home, there are survivor perks that should be basekit for solo survivor, there are barely any perks that should be basekit for killers. The only perks I can think of that I would want to be basekit for killers are Fire Up(faster actions overall the more gens are done, it makes the endgame feel more like an endgame), Monstrous Shrine(its a bad perk, but it would be really nice if it's basekit) and a weaker version of Dying Light that applies similar to Thanatophobia, where each hook adds 1.5% slowdown(again, basekit) to healing and generators, but that slowdown is lost when that survivor is killed, encouraging killers to leave people who are dead on hook alive rather than killing them as quickly as possible. That's only 2 and a half perks that should be basekit.

Survivor perks that are so bland that they should be basekit for solo survivors, since it offers pretty much the same information as a 4 man swf:

Kindred, Bond, Buckle Up, Deja Vu, Empathy, Kindred, Left Behind(especially now), Rookie Spirit and Situational Awareness(better known as Better Together).

That's 9 perks that need to be basekit for solo survivor alone to compare with the information of a 4-man SWF. That's not even talking about perks that should be (partially) basekit like Flip Flop(if you slug a survivor on the floor long enough that they can fully recover, that should affect the wiggle speed at the very least, you could even make it 25% basekit with Flip Flop being changed accordingly), Wake Up(if you're the last survivor alive) and maybe even a rudimentary decisive strike(one that only activates if you are chased within 15 seconds after an unhook, purely to punish tunnelers) so that the actual DS can be used to prolong that timer instead.

So in total, we have 12 perks that can be argued to be (somewhat) basekit, when there are only 3 killer perks at best that should be basekit, because otherwise there are too many other perks that it could stack with.

The fact that we can have 9 perks alone that need to be basekit to equalize solo survivor to SWF, when there are barely any killer perks that can be basekit without breaking the game, pretty much shows that survivor perks as a whole are weaker. Are there strong survivor perks that are at the level of some killer perks? Sure, definitely, but even if you have 4 survivors running the 4 best perks, I can point at killer perks that are objectively stronger than those perks combined. The bigger issue that killers have, is map mobility and design. That is the biggest reason why killers and their perks feel weaker than they actually are.

And no, the reason for high kill rates wasnt bad survivors, plenty of amazing survivors that still died. The bigger reason was solo survivor. If survivors all had access to a ping system, the kill rate would easily drop to below 50%. And as for average killrates, well, Trickster has been altered quite a lot, and Nurse is heavily skillbased. So its quite obvious why those 2 killers are under 50%. And let alone that most killers do not actually run Ruin Undying anymore either.

A quickscope is 0.15 seconds before you can shoot, at which point the projectile hits you within 0.05 seconds. The fastest possible human reaction is 0.15 seconds, and that is reacting to an instant, not to something repeating.

So yes, humanly impossible to counter.

And no, survivors dont have coinflips, coinflips are moments where your input doesnt matter. A 50/50 isnt neccesarily. And yes, a survivor SHOULD be able to juke anything that directly leads to a health state. Just as a killer SHOULD be able to injure at any given oppertunity they can injure. Which is why killers can still hit a survivor even if they started dropping the pallet. Heck, survivors are even able to juke an m1. It's called spinning. Works less and less the better the killer is, but even m1's are jukable.

If you cannot juke something, your input doesnt matter and when input doesnt matter, there is no interaction. If there is no interaction, it's objectively a boring mechanic. If it's a boring mechanic, it needs changes to be more enjoyable.